IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #75

[Jax49]

what's an inglenook?

Definition of inglenook

: a nook by a large open fireplace; also : a bench or settle occupying this nook



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[Jabarn]

"The incident happened just after 3 p.m. on the Milwaukee Trail just outside the city limits.

Bedford police say the victim told them an unknown man displayed a firearm and attempted to tie her up. She was able to fight off her attacker and ran back toward SR 37 for help."

*she might have DNA under her fingernails, etc.

Distance from Bedford to Delphi:

2 h 36 min (150.5 mi)
via IN-37 and I-65 N

So scary, not exactly like what happened to Abby and Libby, since this one got away, but a similar set up. IMO, if you want to find the killer, you connect dots like this.

 

[Jabarn]

So do you think if people chose homeless they believe DN is BG? He wasn't homeless as such - just temporarily estranged from KN. By March he was back with KN I think. So he wasn't fully homeless till May when they left for Co. I was just saying which majorities could match DN and not insinuating that meant the posters thought DN is BG. I thought that was remarkable, that's all.

There is good reason to look at a person like DN. He has a sexually acting out history, seemed to find the outdoors not out of the question to live when things were not going well at home, and had a very short temper. If not DN, then IMO, it is someone like him- dysfunctional family, little opportunity for help, and a history of acting out against others.

We all hope the suspect is caught before he offends again, since many here agree with me, BG could well repeat.

 

[LadyL]

sounds cosy

Definition of inglenook

: a nook by a large open fireplace; also : a bench or settle occupying this nook



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[newredtabby]

"The incident happened just after 3 p.m. on the Milwaukee Trail just outside the city limits.

Bedford police say the victim told them an unknown man displayed a firearm and attempted to tie her up. She was able to fight off her attacker and ran back toward SR 37 for help."

*she might have DNA under her fingernails, etc.

Distance from Bedford to Delphi:

2 h 36 min (150.5 mi)
via IN-37 and I-65 N

Time of day sure seems familiar!


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[ReadySet]

OT, kind of. Wrote a nice post to go with this link, but I lost it. I came across this article and found it fascinating but mostly chilling. The similarities between the choices and patterns in the lives of DN, this guy Scott Johnson, and the Texas church murderer show a foundation that led to violence, rage, and murder.
I don't know if DN is BG. Just was struck by this article, Interested to see what you all think.

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Trouble on a summer’s afternoon at the swimming hole.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/27/at-the-train-bridge

 

[kizzykat]

I'd be interested but it says "page not found", and when I search the New Yorker for At the Train Bridge nothing comes up. :/

OT, kind of. Wrote a nice post to go with this link, but I lost it. I came across this article and found it fascinating but mostly chilling. The similarities between the choices and patterns in the lives of DN, this guy Scott Johnson, and the Texas church murderer show a foundation that led to violence, rage, and murder.
I don't know if DN is BG. Just was struck by this article, Interested to see what you all think.

At the Train Bridge

Trouble on a summer’s afternoon at the swimming hole.

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[ReadySet]

I fixed it, should work for you now.

I'd be interested but it says "page not found", and when I search the New Yorker for At the Train Bridge nothing comes up. :/

 

[Deleted member 102539]

OT, kind of. Wrote a nice post to go with this link, but I lost it. I came across this article and found it fascinating but mostly chilling. The similarities between the choices and patterns in the lives of DN, this guy Scott Johnson, and the Texas church murderer show a foundation that led to violence, rage, and murder.
I don't know if DN is BG. Just was struck by this article, Interested to see what you all think.

At the Train Bridge

Trouble on a summer’s afternoon at the swimming hole.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/27/at-the-train-bridge

Could be DN's life and basic convictions. Thank you for finding such an example.

He portrayed the defendant as someone who blamed others for his constant failures, who thought that he was smarter than everyone else, who craved attention, and who responded to his own problems by murdering innocent children.

 

[mpnola]

I have a real question. I'm curious. How many people would run away from someone threatening them with say, a gun? Knowing you would leave a sister, your friend, or your child behind. Not what you know you should do. And not what you would do while having superhero brain sitting on your sofa. But I mean, put yourself in the situation. And think about what you would do in reality. I honestly want to know. I see it brought up so much. It shocks me how many people think it would be a common reaction to do that.

I don't think I could run, especially if I had to leave someone behind. I would probably try if I was alone, but I would be caught cause my little says I'm slow as a slug.

When I was a child, I would 1 million percent not have run with a weapon pointed at me. No one ever even told me I should. Only after watching Oprah say never go to another location did I think about fighting.

Anyone who didn't watch "I am Elizabeth Smart" on Lifetime should. It is such a realistic point of view from someone who has been captured and the real fear and punishment that exists. I thought of so many cases here when people question why a victim didn't do something other than what they did. It's called survival. They try to do what they feel will help them survive the longest. Sometimes that is complying. Sometimes it is running. But it is always unique.



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[Shiressleuth]

There is good reason to look at a person like DN. He has a sexually acting out history, seemed to find the outdoors not out of the question to live when things were not going well at home, and had a very short temper. If not DN, then IMO, it is someone like him- dysfunctional family, little opportunity for help, and a history of acting out against others.

We all hope the suspect is caught before he offends again, since many here agree with me, BG could well repeat.

Yes indeed. And some of us think he has already done that in Co. Time and tests will tell for sure eventually.

 

[Shiressleuth]

OT, kind of. Wrote a nice post to go with this link, but I lost it. I came across this article and found it fascinating but mostly chilling. The similarities between the choices and patterns in the lives of DN, this guy Scott Johnson, and the Texas church murderer show a foundation that led to violence, rage, and murder.
I don't know if DN is BG. Just was struck by this article, Interested to see what you all think.

At the Train Bridge

Trouble on a summer’s afternoon at the swimming hole.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/07/27/at-the-train-bridge

I was struck by similarities in the lives of the Texas church killer and DN. TY for posting this article.

 

[her]

I would like to see the proof DN did this? Proof he is BG. Proof he is a murder... there hasn’t been any.

 

[Ember123]

I would like to see the proof DN did this? Proof he is BG. Proof he is a murder... there hasn’t been any.

I would like to see SOMETHING convincing ... one way OR the other!
Wouldn't LE have some obligation to steer public scrutiny AWAY from DN, if they thought him not involved? Why SO tight-lipped ... do THEY even know yet???

 

[kkdj]

I would like to see the proof DN did this? Proof he is BG. Proof he is a murder... there hasn’t been any.

Wouldn't we all! There are things that definitely point to it being DN. LE has the knowledge and evidence, more than we are privy to, that will show the proof of who did this. They certainly haven't told us that DN is no longer a POI. I'm hoping they have their man!

 

[Tealgrove]

I have a real question. I'm curious. How many people would run away from someone threatening them with say, a gun? Knowing you would leave a sister, your friend, or your child behind. Not what you know you should do. And not what you would do while having superhero brain sitting on your sofa. But I mean, put yourself in the situation. And think about what you would do in reality. I honestly want to know. I see it brought up so much. It shocks me how many people think it would be a common reaction to do that.

I don't think I could run, especially if I had to leave someone behind. I would probably try if I was alone, but I would be caught cause my little says I'm slow as a slug.

When I was a child, I would 1 million percent not have run with a weapon pointed at me. No one ever even told me I should. Only after watching Oprah say never go to another location did I think about fighting.

Anyone who didn't watch "I am Elizabeth Smart" on Lifetime should. It is such a realistic point of view from someone who has been captured and the real fear and punishment that exists. I thought of so many cases here when people question why a victim didn't do something other than what they did. It's called survival. They try to do what they feel will help them survive the longest. Sometimes that is complying. Sometimes it is running. But it is always unique.



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I have asked this question of myself several times.

My initial response I think would be to "freeze". Even though I know I should run I'm not sure that I could leave anyone behind.

I went to an active shooter seminar about a year ago and the advice given was this..... RUN, HIDE, DEFEND. A point was made that you don't go back and you don't help someone who has been injured. You RUN to save your life because going back will probably end up killing you and you PROBABLY can't help the person who's gone down. It's all about self preservation.

Sigh.

I'm not sure I can do that. I'm not sure I can leave people behind. I'm not sure I can't help someone who needs help. If I die helping someone I think that's the choice I'd like to make. I'm not looking to be hero. I'm not looking for accolades. My moral compass tells me that the right thing to do is to help.

That being said, until I'm in that situation (and I hope that never happens) I don't think I know what I'd do.

MOO

 

[Tealgrove]

I would like to see the proof DN did this? Proof he is BG. Proof he is a murder... there hasn’t been any.

One would think that after all this time, we would know one way or another. I can't believe we're still waiting to put the pieces together on this guy.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I would like to see the proof DN did this? Proof he is BG. Proof he is a murder... there hasn’t been any.

Maybe after this week's court appearances we may be a step nearer knowing - if he is found guilty of those charges, it could be one step closer.

It has only been two months since his arrest. That really isn't long enough to prove murder unless caught red handed.

 

[kc1023]

Months ago when it came out that one of the girls didn't leave the other or something to that general effect, I asked my daughters separately what they would do and without any hesitation whatsoever they each emphatically said they would NOT leave the other. I said "but you might be able to get help" and "the experts say you should run if you can" and "but you'll both get killed" and whatnot they didn't even consider for a second that they would leave the other. No matter my presentation to them (separately and then together) they insisted they would never, under any circumstances, leave the other. This messes with me and gives me such conflicting feelings.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have asked this question of myself several times.

My initial response I think would be to "freeze". Even though I know I should run I'm not sure that I could leave anyone behind.

I went to an active shooter seminar about a year ago and the advice given was this..... RUN, HIDE, DEFEND. A point was made that you don't go back and you don't help someone who has been injured. You RUN to save your life because going back will probably end up killing you and you PROBABLY can't help the person who's gone down. It's all about self preservation.

Sigh.

I'm not sure I can do that. I'm not sure I can leave people behind. I'm not sure I can't help someone who needs help. If I die helping someone I think that's the choice I'd like to make. I'm not looking to be hero. I'm not looking for accolades. My moral compass tells me that the right thing to do is to help.

That being said, until I'm in that situation (and I hope that never happens) I don't think I know what I'd do.

MOO

I don't think anyone really knows till they are in such a situation. People who don't run are often very selfless and often end up saving lives by performing first aid. Also you wouldnt know if you are running towards another shooter or bomb or whatever. In a situation on a trail, it is different, but someone may be within earshot so screaming, talking to the assailant, running, whatever may work. I do think it depends on the circumstances. It's horrible to have to think about it but sometimes running in panic is not the answer. (Oxford circus London, recent incident where people panicked thinking they heard gunshots for instance)