IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #75

[Love Never Fails]

I know WS has solved a few cold cases but I don't think the sleuthing here has ever solved an active case. Does anyone know?

Yes. Katiecoollady and another sleuther traveled to Modesto and found the concrete bags and notified police who then found the concrete blocks that helped solidify the case against Scott Peterson.

 

[Jabarn]

So, when there is smoke, often there is a fire. DN has so many compelling qualities as a serial offender.

Plenty of that has been shared here, and he is such a different sort of POI than RL.

RL had issues with drinking and driving and owned the property where the girls’ bodies were found, and perhaps overshared with the media. The outfit the BG was wearing seemed to match him (and, as turns out, a large part of the adult male population).

We keep hearing the BG is middle aged, older.

For a discussion point, I wonder about how people are gauging the age of the suspect. I do recall even the investigators were looking for an older fellow. Why?

 

[margarita25]

The reason it is at a standstill can be seen in Silly Billy warning post last night. Some were being rude about others opinions and some posters were telling others how to post and acting like mods by saying not to talk about DN or the Co charges. So the thread is free for now but noone has anything other than that to post about AFAICS.

I have no idea about this, wasnt here, but was referring to lack of movement in the case and standstill due to DN not being confirmed or denied.....

 

[Shiressleuth]

So, when there is smoke, often there is a fire. DN has so many compelling qualities as a serial offender.

Plenty of that has been shared here, and he is such a different sort of POI than RL.

RL had issues with drinking and driving and owned the property where the girls’ bodies were found, and perhaps overshared with the media. The outfit the BG was wearing seemed to match him (and, as turns out, a large part of the adult male population).

We keep hearing the BG is middle aged, older.

For a discussion point, I wonder about how people are gauging the age of the suspect. I do recall even the investigators were looking for an older fellow. Why?

Where are we hearing he's middle aged older?
I think we have to wait till the tests are complete on DN and the other unknown POi's and it could be a long wait . :waiting:

 

[Tippy Lynn]

So, when there is smoke, often there is a fire. DN has so many compelling qualities as a serial offender.

Plenty of that has been shared here, and he is such a different sort of POI than RL.

RL had issues with drinking and driving and owned the property where the girls’ bodies were found, and perhaps overshared with the media. The outfit the BG was wearing seemed to match him (and, as turns out, a large part of the adult male population).

We keep hearing the BG is middle aged, older.

For a discussion point, I wonder about how people are gauging the age of the suspect. I do recall even the investigators were looking for an older fellow. Why?

The sketch doesn’t appear to be a teenager or young adult. JMO

 

[minazoe]

So, when there is smoke, often there is a fire. DN has so many compelling qualities as a serial offender.

Plenty of that has been shared here, and he is such a different sort of POI than RL.

RL had issues with drinking and driving and owned the property where the girls’ bodies were found, and perhaps overshared with the media. The outfit the BG was wearing seemed to match him (and, as turns out, a large part of the adult male population).

We keep hearing the BG is middle aged, older.

For a discussion point, I wonder about how people are gauging the age of the suspect. I do recall even the investigators were looking for an older fellow. Why?

From the photo it's the clothing, the bulkiness, the hat.. for the artist's sketch..I believe the black and white nature of a sketch ages the look , the skin looks tanner and there is a lot of shadow going on, as an artist it would be really easy for me to take some elements out of that sketch and make him look less weathered and dark. That said I believe the sketch was done from a photograph. 100% . If it was done with an artograph, projecting the image can cause a little bit of heavy handedness..and you are dependent on the quality of the image. MOO

just adding I dont think it was done with a software on a computer IMO

 

[kkdj]

From the photo it's the clothing, the bulkiness, the hat.. for the artist's sketch..I believe the black and white nature of a sketch ages the look , the skin looks tanner and there is a lot of shadow going on, as an artist it would be really easy for me to take some elements out of that sketch and make him look less weathered and dark. That said I believe the sketch was done from a photograph. 100% . If it was done with an artograph, projecting the image can cause a little bit of heavy handedness..and you are dependent on the quality of the image. MOO

just adding I dont think it was done with a software on a computer IMO

I agree that the sketch was done from a photograph. When I look at the array of photographs of DN they do indeed look like far different ages. Even some of the older ones look like an older person than the newer ones do. Really strange.

 

[gregjrichards]

I think the case may go quiet until the one year anniversary when it will be in the news again hope not though.

 

[Jabarn]

Where are we hearing he's middle aged older?
I think we have to wait till the tests are complete on DN and the other unknown POi's and it could be a long wait . :waiting:

Well, durn it. It WAS that being said at the start of the case, that the suspect was in his forties. Now, when I try to find a Google link, all that comes up is Daniel Nations. Someone here, help. In the early days, it was like a given the suspect was older.

 

[MistyWaters]

So, when there is smoke, often there is a fire. DN has so many compelling qualities as a serial offender.

Plenty of that has been shared here, and he is such a different sort of POI than RL.

RL had issues with drinking and driving and owned the property where the girls’ bodies were found, and perhaps overshared with the media. The outfit the BG was wearing seemed to match him (and, as turns out, a large part of the adult male population).

We keep hearing the BG is middle aged, older.

For a discussion point, I wonder about how people are gauging the age of the suspect. I do recall even the investigators were looking for an older fellow. Why?

Interesting you mention that. As I read this thread from time to time, I'm often reminded of RL as well.

Early on there were probably as many here who strongly believed RL was BG, much the same as some now perceive BG to be DN. Aside from the similarity to RLs clothing, there was also his posture and build, including one hand in the pocket. And I also recall mention that LE were taking their time in building their case because RL was locked up on unrelated charges. And that it took time to anaysize a DNA match. Months ticked by, then nothing....

Yet RL and DN, other than both are male, are Polar Opposite - age, weight, height, lifestyle, you name it. It's rather fascinating how the few facts that we know can customized to fit either of them. IMO the two extremes serve as an example as to how wide the potential net of LE's investigation must be.

 

[kstephens98]

Interesting you mention that. As I read this thread from time to time, I'm often reminded of RL as well.

Early on there were probably as many here who strongly believed RL was BG, much the same as some now perceive BG to be DN. Aside from the similarity to RLs clothing, there was also his posture and build, including one hand in the pocket. And I also recall mention that LE were taking their time in building their case because RL was locked up on unrelated charges. And that it took time to anaysize a DNA match. Months ticked by, then nothing....

Yet RL and DN, other than both are male, are Polar Opposite - age, weight, height, lifestyle, you name it. It's rather fascinating how the few facts that we know can customized to fit either of them. IMO the two extremes serve as an example as to how wide the potential net of LE's investigation must be.

Well said. So very true IMO.

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[Shiressleuth]

I know that we have no idea if this was a sexually motivated crime or not, but I still can't help but wonder if there's a chance this killer is some kind of habitual offender or escalated after never being caught. This article caught my eye tonight, shedding light on how many offenders have not faced judgement yet.

http://wane.com/2017/12/01/review-finds-2500-sexual-assault-kits-untested/

"Indiana State Police say a review has found more than 2,500 untested sexual assault evidence kits languishing at police departments across the state for unknown reasons...."

This is absolutely unacceptable. I know we have mentioned turnaround times before but if the stuff isn't even getting to the labs, maybe that's why they have hundreds of POI's still that they can't exclude. Wtf is going on.

 

[minazoe]

In cases like this I don't understand why they don't fund an emergency Pop-up lab...where they can hire technicians to go thru all the outstanding DNA and process it. Seems like a no-brainer..just shows how us women are disregarded in our society...more important to get those pot heads and two bit dealers, than cold blooded rapists who destroy the lives of innocent victims. ( including some men , who can also be victims, and sadly LGTB people are often marginalized at well.
MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

This is absolutely unacceptable. I know we have mentioned turnaround times before but if the stuff isn't even getting to the labs, maybe that's why they have hundreds of POI's still that they can't exclude. Wtf is going on.

It’s terrible. Surely this case would be made a priority though given the circumstances and the need to get this monster off the streets.

 

[kkdj]

It’s terrible. Surely this case would be made a priority though given the circumstances and the need to get this monster off the streets.

If they do indeed have the monster off the streets and they know it, then they might not give it priority at this point. But it sure would be nice to let the Delphi residents and surrounding areas know so they can breathe easier.

 

[Shiressleuth]

In cases like this I don't understand why they don't fund an emergency Pop-up lab...where they can hire technicians to go thru all the outstanding DNA and process it. Seems like a no-brainer..just shows how us women are disregarded in our society...more important to get those pot heads and two bit dealers, than cold blooded rapists who destroy the lives of innocent victims. ( including some men , who can also be victims, and sadly LGTB people are often marginalized at well.
MOO

Yep and females are 70% of the victims of serial killers. See the article in the New Yorker in the headline link. I'm still taking in all the info in that article.

 

[mtnlites]

This is absolutely unacceptable. I know we have mentioned turnaround times before but if the stuff isn't even getting to the labs, maybe that's why they have hundreds of POI's still that they can't exclude. Wtf is going on.

Georgia and Kentucky, at one time, had even more untested kits than Indiana. In many of these states, funding is a big issue.

 

[Boxer]

Get Libby's grandfather and Abby's mother to champion the state to get their act together.
How ridiculous - think of the amount of DNA evidence that this backlog contains, which holds the key to other crimes.

 

[1&2&3]

Look at how quickly items were tested in the Mariah Woods case and her monster arrested.

While there are different circumstances in the two cases, the point I am making is the quickness of the testing.

My firm belief is in Libby and Abby's case everything has been tested. LE is using the "waiting for testing" as a pacifier to the public. The actual truth is LE just doesn't have much to go on.

This judgement is supported by the retirement of the district attorney and his comment. I don't remember the comment but the gist of it was there isn't anything close to an arrest for months.

If the perp did not leave any quality evidence, then LE is in a quandary and their hands are tied. Would it not be better to be honest with the public? Let the perp know, so perhaps he will come out of the shadows and make a mistake, giving LE a chance to find him? LE can't find him if he stays hidden. Of course, he might not be local, but knowing LE has nothing might draw him out in his area.

 

[mtnlites]

Look at how quickly items were tested in the Mariah Woods case and her monster arrested.

While there are different circumstances in the two cases, the point I am making is the quickness of the testing.

My firm belief is in Libby and Abby's case everything has been tested. LE is using the "waiting for testing" as a pacifier to the public. The actual truth is LE just doesn't have much to go on.

This judgement is supported by the retirement of the district attorney and his comment. I don't remember the comment but the gist of it was there isn't anything close to an arrest for months.

If the perp did not leave any quality evidence, then LE is in a quandary and their hands are tied. Would it not be better to be honest with the public? Let the perp know, so perhaps he will come out of the shadows and make a mistake, giving LE a chance to find him? LE can't find him if he stays hidden. Of course, he might not be local, but knowing LE has nothing might draw him out in his area.

I agree with you. I also believe that everything has been tested.