IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #75

[Shiressleuth]

Do we know if the 3 stills came from sequentialy shot clip or were 3 separate stills put in a 123 order. If the latter, the limp could just be a break in the natural film order and not a true physical limp.
No, I haven't followed the image discussion thread.....no time, unfortunately.

Well I can't remember without going thru it but it is only 1 thread with 30 or so pages. If you just read a page or so before and after the link I posted then it will help. A lot of posters put a lot of work in on the images.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Something else I must have missed, now KN knows BG has a limp?


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You know what, I'm trying to answer your questions as I thought they were serious. Have you read the image thread?

To answer your question, yes KN knows BG has a limp IMO.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I’ve already seen that. There is absolutely no way to tell if he has a limp by putting stills in sequence, especially when he is dodging gaping gaps on an old bridge.


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I suggest you take it up with the image expert then. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Mamamerced]

I suggest you take it up with the image expert then. Don't shoot the messenger.

I understand your point, but certain WSs are now running with the belief that BG has a limp when we have no proof that is true, only opinions from "image experts".

 

[Area52]

BBM
KN was a NO SHOW again???
Where did you find that, Niner?
And thank you for gathering all that info and posting it, "Whew!" indeed!

I think "KN was a no show" is a reference to the last court date, not today, as it is not yet 3:00 in Colorado .


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[BIC]

You know what, I'm trying to answer your questions as I thought they were serious. Have you read the image thread?

To answer your question, yes KN knows BG has a limp IMO.

Yes I’ve read the image thread, and while it’s nice to have people put the time in to study the images, and come to their own conclusions, they are opinions, and my opinion is, there is no way to state as fact that someone has a limp based on 3 images made into an animation.


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[BIC]

I suggest you take it up with the image expert then. Don't shoot the messenger.

I have nothing to take up with the “image expert”, you stated it as fact, and I stated otherwise. Fact is, it’s not a fact.


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[Shiressleuth]

I have nothing to take up with the “image expert”, you stated it as fact, and I stated otherwise. Fact is, it’s not a fact.


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Where did I state it was a "fact" ?

You said "how can we tell if BG has a limp when we only have one still shot" so I directed you to the image discussion thread where three different still shots were linked into a moving image. You now say you had seen this so why did you say we only had "one" still shot when you knew that was false?

 

[Mamamerced]

Where did I state it was a "fact" ?

It might be a good idea to use MOO or JMO so fellow sleuths won't be confused. :moo: :thinking:

 

[Shiressleuth]

It might be a good idea to use MOO or JMO so fellow sleuths won't be confused. :moo: :thinking:

What post of mine are you referring too?

It might be a good idea to multiquote and include the relevant quote to which you refer. TiA.

:smile:

 

[kizzykat]

Thanks Area52. I guess I'm confused. I'm gathering she was a "no show" for the earlier in Nov hearing for the restraining order/children? (I don't recall the exact date earlier in Nov that hearing was set, only that it was postponed to 12/7, if it was due to her not showing I had no idea she failed to appear).
What I see on the CO docket is nothing for today, just the restraining order/custody on 12/7/17 in Teller Co. Is there something else (different docket) you're seeing that I'm missing, showing a hearing happening today? TIA
ETA: I'm mostly just shocked about the No Show (again) part...
https://www.courts.state.co.us/dockets/index.cfm#results

I think "KN was a no show" is a reference to the last court date, not today, as it is not yet 3:00 in Colorado .


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[Mamamerced]

I agree. No alibi, no rule out. Too many things still fit, the limp, the witness sketch, the height and southern accent, RSO, homeless at the time, propensity for trails, parks, rail roads and bridges, travels to commit offences, avoiding arrest numerous times, anger issues, DV, hatchet menacing, access to a gun, drug user, ex military.

Here is one.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Here is one.

This is all fact about DN.

 

[Sleuthin' n TX]

I understand your point, but certain WSs are now running with the belief that BG has a limp when we have no proof that is true, only opinions from "image experts".

In the AG interview on Youtube, KN stated that DN has one leg shorter than the other and does, in fact, walk with a limp.

 

[her]

Why are we talking extensively about CO charges anyway? This is an IN case, I would like it to be less confusing shouldn’t there be a thread for those cases.

 

[emptybottles]

Why are we talking extensively about CO charges anyway? This is an IN case, I would like it to be less confusing shouldn’t there be a thread for those cases.

Because we were told there are similarities in the cases?

There are more questions than answers in these murders and that's troubling.
Unfortunately I predict DN will be out of jail before Christmas and he and KN will be back together living off taxpayers in some hotel in downtown Colorado Springs. And we, the public, will have been played for fools by this pair of cons who have taken playing the system to a new level.

There is one thing in common in both of these cases. Lack of public disclosure.
What do ballistics look like?
Was there blunt trauma or other signs of a struggle in any or all murders?
What was the real cause of death?
What are the similarities in both cases that brought IN LEO's to CO?
Did LE compare cell tower logs and look for records with the same pings as Lib and Abi?
Did LE check cell tower logs and place KN and or DN on Mt Herman road on Sept 13th?
Did LE subpoena bank records to look at when and where purchases were made?
Why hasn't LE released more video and audio from IN? IN LE has a video, and more audio, but release 3 still images and the little "down the hill" recording. Why so little?

So many questions. I believe a true sleuth should not be concerned with whether DN looks like BG, because it's impossible to tell, but instead should be asking why and what LE is hiding. Those are the real clues to solving both crimes. And if LE is at a dead end, why not release more information? It's difficult to "sleuth" when you are told you can only talk about A,B and C but not D.

There have been no hatchet man reports since DN has been locked up.
There have been no additional murders on Mt Herman Rd since DN has been locked up.
That speaks volumes.

So where are the murder charges against DN and KN?
KN committed a felony when she purchased a gun and made it available to DN. Why no charges? Where did she buy the gun? How? With what money?

Remember that KN has outstanding IN warrants out her arrest too.
Why did KN bail DN out of jail in IN if they were separated?
KN should be compelled to answer questions concerning her post on FB on Feb 13th about missing someone.
Who was KN writing to on Feb 13th? Why? Something is missing in her story.
Where was DN on Feb 13th? I think KN knows. She certainly remembers taking him to his check-in on the 14th.
OK, so where did you pick DN up from on the 14th?
Why did KN lie about DN not having access to a vehicle without her in it when there is a photograph in CO and 2 warrants in IN that say otherwise?

DN drove. DN drove a lot. I bet DN took the car on the 13th. I bet DN drove himself to his check in on the 14th. Not having a license does not prevent criminals from driving anymore than gun laws prevent criminals from obtaining guns and committing gun crimes. It's foolish to think DN did not have access to a vehicle on Feb 13th, 2017 when facts say otherwise.

And I realize that In LE filed an additional warrant for DN. But remember DN and KN's, previous warrants are non-extraditable. Neither are going back to IN. It's not going to happen.

We can only hope the judge throws out the plea bargain and sends DN to jail like this guy. The similarities are striking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/...federal-prison-being-felon-possession-firearm

 

[BIC]

Where did I state it was a "fact" ?

You said "how can we tell if BG has a limp when we only have one still shot" so I directed you to the image discussion thread where three different still shots were linked into a moving image. You now say you had seen this so why did you say we only had "one" still shot when you knew that was false?

I didn’t say “one", I said "a", and I can’t see a limp in a still shot.

If BG has a limp, and you can be so sure he does from an animation of 3 still shots, don’t you think LE would notice it in the actual video? My guess would be yes, so I would think that is a major identifier of BG to go along with the stills and composite, and as such would be given to the public to help capture him.

 

[Mamamerced]

This is all fact about DN.

I'm not here to argue nor is it important to me to win.
It sounds to me like you were comparing DN to BG in your post: "Too many things still fit, the limp.....", which to me implies BG also has a limp. This is why I suggested using MOO or JMO.
Defend away if you must...I'm bowing out as I said my bit on this matter.

 

[Mamamerced]

In the AG interview on Youtube, KN stated that DN has one leg shorter than the other and does, in fact, walk with a limp.

Yes, you are correct, but I was referring to assumption/accuracy of BG, not DN, having a limp based on 3 still shots put in some order to suggest sequence.
We do NOT know BG has a limp. He may, but we do not know this as fact.

 

[her]

Because we were told there are similarities in the cases?

There are more questions than answers in these murders and that's troubling.
Unfortunately I predict DN will be out of jail before Christmas and he and KN will be back together living off taxpayers in some hotel in downtown Colorado Springs. And we, the public, will have been played for fools by this pair of cons who have taken playing the system to a new level.

There is one thing in common in both of these cases. Lack of public disclosure.
What do ballistics look like?
Was there blunt trauma or other signs of a struggle in any or all murders?
What was the real cause of death?
What are the similarities in both cases that brought IN LEO's to CO?
Did LE compare cell tower logs and look for records with the same pings as Lib and Abi?
Did LE check cell tower logs and place KN and or DN on Mt Herman road on Sept 13th?
Did LE subpoena bank records to look at when and where purchases were made?
Why hasn't LE released more video and audio from IN? IN LE has a video, and more audio, but release 3 still images and the little "down the hill" recording. Why so little?

So many questions. I believe a true sleuth should not be concerned with whether DN looks like BG, because it's impossible to tell, but instead should be asking why and what LE is hiding. Those are the real clues to solving both crimes. And if LE is at a dead end, why not release more information? It's difficult to "sleuth" when you are told you can only talk about A,B and C but not D.

There have been no hatchet man reports since DN has been locked up.
There have been no additional murders on Mt Herman Rd since DN has been locked up.
That speaks volumes.

So where are the murder charges against DN and KN?
KN committed a felony when she purchased a gun and made it available to DN. Why no charges? Where did she buy the gun? How? With what money?

Remember that KN has outstanding IN warrants out her arrest too.
Why did KN bail DN out of jail in IN if they were separated?
KN should be compelled to answer questions concerning her post on FB on Feb 13th about missing someone.
Who was KN writing to on Feb 13th? Why? Something is missing in her story.
Where was DN on Feb 13th? I think KN knows. She certainly remembers taking him to his check-in on the 14th.
OK, so where did you pick DN up from on the 14th?
Why did KN lie about DN not having access to a vehicle without her in it when there is a photograph in CO and 2 warrants in IN that say otherwise?

DN drove. DN drove a lot. I bet DN took the car on the 13th. I bet DN drove himself to his check in on the 14th. Not having a license does not prevent criminals from driving anymore than gun laws prevent criminals from obtaining guns and committing gun crimes. It's foolish to think DN did not have access to a vehicle on Feb 13th, 2017 when facts say otherwise.

And I realize that In LE filed an additional warrant for DN. But remember DN and KN's, previous warrants are non-extraditable. Neither are going back to IN. It's not going to happen.

We can only hope the judge throws out the plea bargain and sends DN to jail like this guy. The similarities are striking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/...federal-prison-being-felon-possession-firearm

I agree they are taking the tax payers for what they can.

As far as similarities IN LE has rescinded any interest in DN.
Me, I could care less about CO cases but we are losing ppl left and right because all of the CO case talk in an IN case thread.

Whatever, its it’s going to be illogical and random to only be left with DN is a multi state SK that is from Mars posts. It’s just a shame after all the work people have done for this case and that part is disappointing.