IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #75

[Area52]

Because we were told there are similarities in the cases?

There are more questions than answers in these murders and that's troubling.
Unfortunately I predict DN will be out of jail before Christmas and he and KN will be back together living off taxpayers in some hotel in downtown Colorado Springs. And we, the public, will have been played for fools by this pair of cons who have taken playing the system to a new level.

There is one thing in common in both of these cases. Lack of public disclosure.
What do ballistics look like?
Was there blunt trauma or other signs of a struggle in any or all murders?
What was the real cause of death?
What are the similarities in both cases that brought IN LEO's to CO?
Did LE compare cell tower logs and look for records with the same pings as Lib and Abi?
Did LE check cell tower logs and place KN and or DN on Mt Herman road on Sept 13th?
Did LE subpoena bank records to look at when and where purchases were made?
Why hasn't LE released more video and audio from IN? IN LE has a video, and more audio, but release 3 still images and the little "down the hill" recording. Why so little?

So many questions. I believe a true sleuth should not be concerned with whether DN looks like BG, because it's impossible to tell, but instead should be asking why and what LE is hiding. Those are the real clues to solving both crimes. And if LE is at a dead end, why not release more information? It's difficult to "sleuth" when you are told you can only talk about A,B and C but not D.

There have been no hatchet man reports since DN has been locked up.
There have been no additional murders on Mt Herman Rd since DN has been locked up.
That speaks volumes.

So where are the murder charges against DN and KN?
KN committed a felony when she purchased a gun and made it available to DN. Why no charges? Where did she buy the gun? How? With what money?

Remember that KN has outstanding IN warrants out her arrest too.
Why did KN bail DN out of jail in IN if they were separated?
KN should be compelled to answer questions concerning her post on FB on Feb 13th about missing someone.
Who was KN writing to on Feb 13th? Why? Something is missing in her story.
Where was DN on Feb 13th? I think KN knows. She certainly remembers taking him to his check-in on the 14th.
OK, so where did you pick DN up from on the 14th?
Why did KN lie about DN not having access to a vehicle without her in it when there is a photograph in CO and 2 warrants in IN that say otherwise?

DN drove. DN drove a lot. I bet DN took the car on the 13th. I bet DN drove himself to his check in on the 14th. Not having a license does not prevent criminals from driving anymore than gun laws prevent criminals from obtaining guns and committing gun crimes. It's foolish to think DN did not have access to a vehicle on Feb 13th, 2017 when facts say otherwise.

And I realize that In LE filed an additional warrant for DN. But remember DN and KN's, previous warrants are non-extraditable. Neither are going back to IN. It's not going to happen.

We can only hope the judge throws out the plea bargain and sends DN to jail like this guy. The similarities are striking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/...federal-prison-being-felon-possession-firearm

I totally agree with you on every single point you make except one...DN's warrants ARE extraditable . I will try to find the link for you to read regarding extradition.


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[Area52]

I totally agree with you on every single point you make except one...DN's warrants ARE extraditable . I will try to find the link for you to read regarding extradition.


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Can you get arrested for a warrant in another state?
This is one of the most commonly asked questions for those who find themselves in legal trouble. Can you get arrested for a warrant in another state? The short answer is “yes.” If you have an out of state warrant, there are a number of different things that can happen. The result will typically depend on what the arrest warrant is for. If you have an arrest warrant for a felony crime, then you will almost certainly be arrested in another state. For most misdemeanors, states will not extradite people who have been arrested. This means that if you happen to have a Mississippi warrant and you’re stopped in Florida, the authorities in Florida may not execute the arrest for a typical felony.

However, many states will choose to arrest and extradite if you happen to have a warrant out for a sex-related misdemeanor. In all cases, it is important to know that the real answer is that “it depends.” A bench warrant may be executed at the discretion of the officer or department that pulls you over or finds you in that second state.


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[sumzero]

Because we were told there are similarities in the cases?

There are more questions than answers in these murders and that's troubling.
Unfortunately I predict DN will be out of jail before Christmas and he and KN will be back together living off taxpayers in some hotel in downtown Colorado Springs. And we, the public, will have been played for fools by this pair of cons who have taken playing the system to a new level.

There is one thing in common in both of these cases. Lack of public disclosure.
What do ballistics look like?
Was there blunt trauma or other signs of a struggle in any or all murders?
What was the real cause of death?
What are the similarities in both cases that brought IN LEO's to CO?
Did LE compare cell tower logs and look for records with the same pings as Lib and Abi?
Did LE check cell tower logs and place KN and or DN on Mt Herman road on Sept 13th?
Did LE subpoena bank records to look at when and where purchases were made?
Why hasn't LE released more video and audio from IN? IN LE has a video, and more audio, but release 3 still images and the little "down the hill" recording. Why so little?

So many questions. I believe a true sleuth should not be concerned with whether DN looks like BG, because it's impossible to tell, but instead should be asking why and what LE is hiding. Those are the real clues to solving both crimes. And if LE is at a dead end, why not release more information? It's difficult to "sleuth" when you are told you can only talk about A,B and C but not D.

There have been no hatchet man reports since DN has been locked up.
There have been no additional murders on Mt Herman Rd since DN has been locked up.
That speaks volumes.

So where are the murder charges against DN and KN?
KN committed a felony when she purchased a gun and made it available to DN. Why no charges? Where did she buy the gun? How? With what money?

Remember that KN has outstanding IN warrants out her arrest too.
Why did KN bail DN out of jail in IN if they were separated?
KN should be compelled to answer questions concerning her post on FB on Feb 13th about missing someone.
Who was KN writing to on Feb 13th? Why? Something is missing in her story.
Where was DN on Feb 13th? I think KN knows. She certainly remembers taking him to his check-in on the 14th.
OK, so where did you pick DN up from on the 14th?
Why did KN lie about DN not having access to a vehicle without her in it when there is a photograph in CO and 2 warrants in IN that say otherwise?

DN drove. DN drove a lot. I bet DN took the car on the 13th. I bet DN drove himself to his check in on the 14th. Not having a license does not prevent criminals from driving anymore than gun laws prevent criminals from obtaining guns and committing gun crimes. It's foolish to think DN did not have access to a vehicle on Feb 13th, 2017 when facts say otherwise.

And I realize that In LE filed an additional warrant for DN. But remember DN and KN's, previous warrants are non-extraditable. Neither are going back to IN. It's not going to happen.

We can only hope the judge throws out the plea bargain and sends DN to jail like this guy. The similarities are striking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/...federal-prison-being-felon-possession-firearm

I imagine LE has subjected DN and KN and their activities to intense scrutiny. Relevant information (ballistics reports, interview summaries, etc.) has surely been provided to the people trained and paid to solve these murders. Providing more info to wannabe detectives, based on what LE has said before, may do more harm than good.

http://wishtv.com/2017/03/01/police-delphi-rumors-could-hurt-investigation/

 

[Mamamerced]

Emptybottles....."I believe a true sleuth should not be concerned with whether
DN looks like BG because it's impossible to tell"
This is so true.

Also, thanks for using sleuth, not sleuther.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

[video=twitter;936367981399027712]https://twitter.com/RafaelOnTV/status/936367981399027712[/video]

 

[sumzero]

“Entertainment”?! Are you kidding me? What’s so entertaining about 2 children being murdered, or the countless other threads on here that deal with so many different horrible things? Please tell.


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Couldn’t agree more. Turning “sleuthing” into sport is disgraceful.

 

[Steleheart]

Can you get arrested for a warrant in another state?
This is one of the most commonly asked questions for those who find themselves in legal trouble. Can you get arrested for a warrant in another state? The short answer is “yes.” If you have an out of state warrant, there are a number of different things that can happen. The result will typically depend on what the arrest warrant is for. If you have an arrest warrant for a felony crime, then you will almost certainly be arrested in another state. For most misdemeanors, states will not extradite people who have been arrested. This means that if you happen to have a Mississippi warrant and you’re stopped in Florida, the authorities in Florida may not execute the arrest for a typical felony.

However, many states will choose to arrest and extradite if you happen to have a warrant out for a sex-related misdemeanor. In all cases, it is important to know that the real answer is that “it depends.” A bench warrant may be executed at the discretion of the officer or department that pulls you over or finds you in that second state.


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Is this where you got that info?

https://www.allprobailbond.com/blog/booking-process/out-of-state-arrest-warrants/

 

[Area52]

Is this where you got that info?

https://www.allprobailbond.com/blog/booking-process/out-of-state-arrest-warrants/

Yes. I wasn't sure how to post with the header included


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[Shiressleuth]

I'm not here to argue nor is it important to me to win.
It sounds to me like you were comparing DN to BG in your post: "Too many things still fit, the limp.....", which to me implies BG also has a limp. This is why I suggested using MOO or JMO.
Defend away if you must...I'm bowing out as I said my bit on this matter.

I have never said it is fact BG has a limp and neither you or Bic has shown me where I said that. Over these 75 threads and one image thread it has been discussed whether BG has or has not got a gun, a goat, a goatee, a hat, a hoodee, a bum bag, a go pro, a hatchet, a limp, glasses, a southern accent, portable meth kit, whether he is a drifter, construction worker, LE, ex military, etc. We now have a POI that we can compare to the traits that have been discussed. That doesn't make those discussed possible traits facts.
If I had said it was fact that BG had a limp then mods would require I provide a link or a source or they would moderate or even delete my post. That hasn't happened. I don't have to defend anything because the facts speak for themselves.

 

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[Steleheart]

Yes. I wasn't sure how to post with the header included


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That was some pretty good sleuthing on both our parts

 

[Shiressleuth]

I didn’t say “one", I said "a", and I can’t see a limp in a still shot.

If BG has a limp, and you can be so sure he does from an animation of 3 still shots, don’t you think LE would notice it in the actual video? My guess would be yes, so I would think that is a major identifier of BG to go along with the stills and composite, and as such would be given to the public to help capture him.

That's why I pointed you towards the three joined up stills to look for yourself. I thought you may not have seen them.

Several posters opined he had a limp after looking at that. I'm comparing DN actualities with BG possibilities, just like everyone is doing on here. That's all I am doing.

If BG was carrying a goat, you'd think LE might have said so too but that did not stop posters opining about it.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Because we were told there are similarities in the cases?

There are more questions than answers in these murders and that's troubling.
Unfortunately I predict DN will be out of jail before Christmas and he and KN will be back together living off taxpayers in some hotel in downtown Colorado Springs. And we, the public, will have been played for fools by this pair of cons who have taken playing the system to a new level.

There is one thing in common in both of these cases. Lack of public disclosure.
What do ballistics look like?
Was there blunt trauma or other signs of a struggle in any or all murders?
What was the real cause of death?
What are the similarities in both cases that brought IN LEO's to CO?
Did LE compare cell tower logs and look for records with the same pings as Lib and Abi?
Did LE check cell tower logs and place KN and or DN on Mt Herman road on Sept 13th?
Did LE subpoena bank records to look at when and where purchases were made?
Why hasn't LE released more video and audio from IN? IN LE has a video, and more audio, but release 3 still images and the little "down the hill" recording. Why so little?

So many questions. I believe a true sleuth should not be concerned with whether DN looks like BG, because it's impossible to tell, but instead should be asking why and what LE is hiding. Those are the real clues to solving both crimes. And if LE is at a dead end, why not release more information? It's difficult to "sleuth" when you are told you can only talk about A,B and C but not D.

There have been no hatchet man reports since DN has been locked up.
There have been no additional murders on Mt Herman Rd since DN has been locked up.
That speaks volumes.

So where are the murder charges against DN and KN?
KN committed a felony when she purchased a gun and made it available to DN. Why no charges? Where did she buy the gun? How? With what money?

Remember that KN has outstanding IN warrants out her arrest too.
Why did KN bail DN out of jail in IN if they were separated?
KN should be compelled to answer questions concerning her post on FB on Feb 13th about missing someone.
Who was KN writing to on Feb 13th? Why? Something is missing in her story.
Where was DN on Feb 13th? I think KN knows. She certainly remembers taking him to his check-in on the 14th.
OK, so where did you pick DN up from on the 14th?
Why did KN lie about DN not having access to a vehicle without her in it when there is a photograph in CO and 2 warrants in IN that say otherwise?

DN drove. DN drove a lot. I bet DN took the car on the 13th. I bet DN drove himself to his check in on the 14th. Not having a license does not prevent criminals from driving anymore than gun laws prevent criminals from obtaining guns and committing gun crimes. It's foolish to think DN did not have access to a vehicle on Feb 13th, 2017 when facts say otherwise.

And I realize that In LE filed an additional warrant for DN. But remember DN and KN's, previous warrants are non-extraditable. Neither are going back to IN. It's not going to happen.

We can only hope the judge throws out the plea bargain and sends DN to jail like this guy. The similarities are striking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/...federal-prison-being-felon-possession-firearm

Wow - 6.5 years for a guilty plea as well. Hopefully DN may get the same judge. I agree with the rest of your post as well.

 

[minazoe]

I'm not here to argue nor is it important to me to win.
It sounds to me like you were comparing DN to BG in your post: "Too many things still fit, the limp.....", which to me implies BG also has a limp. This is why I suggested using MOO or JMO.
Defend away if you must...I'm bowing out as I said my bit on this matter.

I myself have said that if BG has a limp and it appears he does have a limp, then they should be able to compare with DN's limp for a positive id. BOOM . MOO

 

[Deleted member 196796]

I didn’t say “one", I said "a", and I can’t see a limp in a still shot.

If BG has a limp, and you can be so sure he does from an animation of 3 still shots, don’t you think LE would notice it in the actual video? My guess would be yes, so I would think that is a major identifier of BG to go along with the stills and composite, and as such would be given to the public to help capture him.

Any one with a limp permanent or recent injury could appear to have a normal gait crossing a train trussle. Most people that I know that has one leg shorter than the other wears orthotics to correct the problem, as in a thick sole on the short leg's shoe. I'm sure DN may not have the money for such care but IF it was DN crossing that trussle that day I don't think even LE would pick up on a limp to be certain enough to post it as a physical characteristic. Not choosing any side on the topic just saying I'm looking at the limp as a push for now.

 

[BIC]

That's why I pointed you towards the three joined up stills to look for yourself. I thought you may not have seen them.

Several posters opined he had a limp after looking at that. I'm comparing DN actualities with BG possibilities, just like everyone is doing on here. That's all I am doing.

If BG was carrying a goat, you'd think LE might have said so too but that did not stop posters opining about it.

Opine away. I have no interest in DN, and won’t be commenting on him anymore. Hopefully some solid leads come into play soon.


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[Sleuthin' n TX]

I agree they are taking the tax payers for what they can.

As far as similarities IN LE has rescinded any interest in DN.
Me, I could care less about CO cases but we are losing ppl left and right because all of the CO case talk in an IN case thread.


Whatever, its it’s going to be illogical and random to only be left with DN is a multi state SK that is from Mars posts. It’s just a shame after all the work people have done for this case and that part is disappointing.

Please explain the dynamics of how you know that "we are losing ppl left and right because of the CO case talk in an IN case thread."

 

[therion20]

Any one with a limp permanent or recent injury could appear to have a normal gait crossing a train trussle. Most people that I know that has one leg shorter than the other wears orthotics to correct the problem, as in a thick sole on the short leg's shoe. I'm sure DN may not have the money for such care but IF it was DN crossing that trussle that day I don't think even LE would pick up on a limp to be certain enough to post it as a physical characteristic. Not choosing any side on the topic just saying I'm looking at the limp as a push for now.

If BG has a limp , why is not included as a description of the suspect?, I'm guessing LE has more than just 3 frames, they might have the full video and know for sure that he has a limp.

 

[Deleted member 196796]

If BG has a limp , why is not included as a description of the suspect?, I'm guessing LE has more than just 3 frames, they might have the full video and know for sure that he has a limp.

That is exactly what I was getting at. LE never stated anything about BG having a limp and they have the video so a limp has never been relevant but only some sleuther's opinion which they are entitled to. He is walking across a train trussle for crying out loud. We agree Therion.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I myself have said that if BG has a limp and it appears he does have a limp, then they should be able to compare with DN's limp for a positive id. BOOM . MOO

Does DN have a goat DYK? RL had a goat IIRC which was perhaps why some thought BG had a goat. Auto suggestion means we see what we want to see. However, both BG and DN do have a gait, (not to be confused with goat) which I am sure LE can compare.

As to why we are discussing Co cases, it's because of similarities between our In POI and the Co cases. Till we know what those similarities are and/or we have a suspect, they are on topic in this case.