IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #76

[msstinky]

Originally Posted by Shiressleuth
So you mean having that wording under race means he has had his DNA taken and recorded sometime in the past? That wording is for a Caucasian is it ?



I personally would interpret that description next to "Race" as coming from a DNA test at some point, yes.

I concur

 

[Jax49]

Some of mine have gone a bit strange, probably missing end brackets or such like.

It is strange...so far all the ones I've seen that didn't post correctly were quoting Savoy6.

 

[Sleuthin' n TX]

I don't think they run a complementary ancestry profile when they take a perp's DNA for the sex offender database. JMO

Am linking a site about Parabon Snapshot DNA and includes this quote: "[FONT=&amp]Snapshot report and composite sketch that includes eye color, skin color, hair color, face morphology, and detailed b[/FONT]iogeographic[FONT=&amp] ancestry." Which is exactly what the description of DN's Race description is; biogeographical. This is not an ancestry profile which is based on your linked maternal and paternal heritage.
https://snapshot.parabon-nanolabs.com/
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[Elle*Bee]

I don't. I don't know that makes him guilty, but I find some inconsistencies. [snipped by me]

-he is a loving father of 3 kids.
He doesn't have three kids. He has 2. One of KN's kids is not DN's. If he has 3, where is the third.l? If there are two, what a stupid thing to lie about.

-he doesn't have a hat like BG. But how does he know what kind of hat BG wears unless he just means the sketch?

Just my thoughts: I don’t know the age of KN’s first born, but it’s not unusual for a member of a blended family to refer to all kids as his/her own - even if it’s not biologically so. (Not speculating whether or not the sentiment/actions are true in this case.)

Re: the hat. Is the cap to which he’s referring the same one in the sketch that the LE said NOT to focus on the style? I’m not sure how a proclamation of “I do not own a cap like the one depicted in the sketch...the one that police has said is merely a representation of *A* cap, not necessarily the one the suspect may have been wearing.” That only carries weight if he does not own any caps, nor did he own any on Feb. 13th, nor did he borrow one on Feb. 13th.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Am linking a site about Parabon Snapshot DNA and includes this quote: "[FONT=&amp]Snapshot report and composite sketch that includes eye color, skin color, hair color, face morphology, and detailed b[/FONT]iogeographic[FONT=&amp] ancestry." Which is exactly what the description of DN's Race description is; biogeographical. This is not an ancestry profile which is based on your linked maternal and paternal heritage.
https://snapshot.parabon-nanolabs.com/
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So you think this could mean DN has had a Parabon Snapshot DNA profile test done?

 

[catastrophe_]

Am linking a site about Parabon Snapshot DNA and includes this quote: "[FONT=&amp]Snapshot report and composite sketch that includes eye color, skin color, hair color, face morphology, and detailed b[/FONT]iogeographic[FONT=&amp] ancestry." Which is exactly what the description of DN's Race description is; biogeographical. This is not an ancestry profile which is based on your linked maternal and paternal heritage.
https://snapshot.parabon-nanolabs.com/
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Here is an interesting infographic from that website: http://docs.parabon.com/pub/Parabon_Snapshot_Scientific_Poster-ISHI_2016.pdf

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

So maybe Co took two cheek swabs and gave one to ISP? You're right regarding the facts and contradicting info. It still doesn't explain why they have no results back yet though.

Hi Shire!

Why they have no results back IMO,
Not all recovered DNA has been profiled to compare to POIs,
Recovered DNA was compromised somehow (see my link in post #53 upstream),
Sample of DN’s DNA was compromised somehow.

Results could be back, but could be inconclusive so he can’t be ruled in or out. They already admitted they can’t rule him in or out. They just haven’t said why.

JMO. These are only possibilities and there are probably more I’m not thinking of at the moment.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Hi Rip. TY for the DN DNA thoughts.

https://m.gazette.com/daniel-nations-in-court-additional-felony-count-delayed/article/1614061

I am reviewing some of the older MSM articles regarding our POI and this one mentions the date of the trespassing/assault incident and the breaking into a car incident. This is stated in the article as being Sept 9th. Isn't that close to the day the .22 was purchased because IIRC KN said that was her birthday? So he breaks into a car and buys a gun to stop people doing similar to themselves. Is this normal homeless behaviour I am wondering - survival tactics maybe. MOO

Eta this is only 5 days before the sentencing of his brother's killer and the TW killing.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Just my thoughts: I don’t know the age of KN’s first born, but it’s not unusual for a member of a blended family to refer to all kids as his/her own - even if it’s not biologically so. (Not speculating whether or not the sentiment/actions are true in this case.)

Re: the hat. Is the cap to which he’s referring the same one in the sketch that the LE said NOT to focus on the style? I’m not sure how a proclamation of “I do not own a cap like the one depicted in the sketch...the one that police has said is merely a representation of *A* cap, not necessarily the one the suspect may have been wearing.” That only carries weight if he does not own any caps, nor did he own any on Feb. 13th, nor did he borrow one on Feb. 13th.

I think Daey's point is we don't know what sort of a hat BG had, so to say I don't have a hat like that is not believable. How would he know what sort of hat BG had unless he was there? If he means he doesn't have a hat like in the sketch, we already know that because LE came out and said it wasn't an accurate depiction of the hat. So he is less believable because of that. JMO.
:thinking:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I think Daey's point is we don't know what sort of a hat BG had, so to say I don't have a hat like that is not believable. How would he know what sort of hat BG had unless he was there? If he means he doesn't have a hat like in the sketch, we already know that because LE came out and said it wasn't an accurate depiction of the hat. So he is less believable because of that. JMO.

What a shame, he didn't name (!!!) the white thing and said, he never ever had this ....

 

[Jennifer17]

I think Daey's point is we don't know what sort of a hat BG had, so to say I don't have a hat like that is not believable. How would he know what sort of hat BG had unless he was there? If he means he doesn't have a hat like in the sketch, we already know that because LE came out and said it wasn't an accurate depiction of the hat. So he is less believable because of that. JMO.
:thinking:

I can't understand why they put that hat on that sketch. It is not a cap commonly worn in the US. A baseball type hat would be far more likely to be worn. They put that cap on him and say 'ignore the cap', but it is more distinctive than an common baseball type cap.

 

[kizzykat]

I can't understand why they put that hat on that sketch. It is not a cap commonly worn in the US. A baseball type hat would be far more likely to be worn. They put that cap on him and say 'ignore the cap', but it is more distinctive than an common baseball type cap.

I agree, that whole hat/sketch situation is confusing.

 

[Shiressleuth]

What a shame, he didn't name (!!!) the white thing and said, he never ever had this ....

:laughing:

 

[Shiressleuth]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-73&p=13721657#post13721657

This is a link to DN's first letter. The writing looks similar - all capital letters.

The posts after where this link takes you, refer to KN's interview, which are also interesting to review again as we are comparing what each has said.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Do you know who was to pick Abby and Libby up from the trail and what time?

 

[Steleheart]

I can't understand why they put that hat on that sketch. It is not a cap commonly worn in the US. A baseball type hat would be far more likely to be worn. They put that cap on him and say 'ignore the cap', but it is more distinctive than an common baseball type cap.

Honestly? Huh. I suppose I should get rid of the half dozen or so that I own and wear daily LOL. I have ball caps too but they're not always appropriate or as versatile IMO.

There are many styles, colors and materials.

https://www.bostonscally.com/

My favorite is more like this but the fuller ones are popular too.
http://site.headchange.com/ebay/3658.br.main.600.jpg

Have this one too

https://www.usakilts.com/media/cata...6e5fb8d27136e95/m/w/mw-flat-cap-grey-76-1.jpg

 

[elvispresley]

[FONT=&quot]"As part of their investigation into Nations, police said they obtained a DNA swab, among other pieces of evidence, and are in the process of comparing it to evidence at the crime scene."
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Archive of the article. Keep scrolling for correct article, spacing is funky, but text is exact duplicate.

http://archive.is/2017.12.11-170614...eturn-colorado-no-link-yet-nations/726885001/

Regards.

 

[Steleheart]

I keep seeing here that LE said "ignore the cap". which is not true IIRC.

The eye color is unknown, but according to one witness, his eyes are not blue. Additionally, this sketch depicts a hat that may not be accurate.

http://fox59.com/2017/07/17/police-...hi-teens-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

From the FBI poster;

His eye color is unknown. The sketch includes a hat that the suspect may or may not wear

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-suspect-2/@@download.pdf

They did say though;

"It shows a little more facial features it gives you a little more information on what we’re looking at, who the suspect might be, and that’s why we feel that it’s very important that this picture is out there at this time." Police say it's very important for the public to focus on the facial features.

.http://fox59.com/2017/07/17/police-...hi-teens-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

I can't find anywhere that LE has said "ignore the cap/hat". Why would they? It may not be accurate, he may or may not wear the one depicted but focus on the facial features. I can see the confusion with a witness who only wears ball caps for instance - no it's not that poofy, more narrow, no not like that - can't remember, etc.
Many of us thought he wore a hat, some say no, same confusion IMO. but if there was no hat, why not describe his hair - bald, parted on the left, right, middle, comb-over... some kind of hat. Apparently not a ball cap.

Mostly JMO.

 

[Sleuthin' n TX]

So you think this could mean DN has had a Parabon Snapshot DNA profile test done?

IMO, they spent the extra monies and took the DNA one step further and created his Parabon Snapshot profile. The result of which we see on his Race description.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I keep seeing here that LE said "ignore the cap". which is not true IIRC.


http://fox59.com/2017/07/17/police-...hi-teens-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

From the FBI poster;

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/unknown-suspect-2/@@download.pdf

They did say though;

.http://fox59.com/2017/07/17/police-...hi-teens-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams/

I can't find anywhere that LE has said "ignore the cap/hat". Why would they? It may not be accurate, he may or may not wear the one depicted but focus on the facial features. I can see the confusion with a witness who only wears ball caps for instance - no it's not that poofy, more narrow, no not like that - can't remember, etc.
Many of us thought he wore a hat, some say no, same confusion IMO. but if there was no hat, why not describe his hair - bald, parted on the left, right, middle, comb-over... some kind of hat. Apparently not a ball cap.

Mostly JMO.

I know you love them but somewhere I think they said disregard the hat. But hey JMo. If I find the link I will post it.

So we're going back to discussing that frigging hat again...... ullhair: