IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

[iscaremyself]

Exactly.

When they were quoted in a news interview that they were going to continue to lock up tipsters if need be, I could not believe what I was hearing.

They should not have mixed the two things and they should not have publicly announced they would continue to lock up tipsters if they have warrants.

A much better way to handle it would be to encourage anyone and everyone to call in tips and to use an anonymous tip line if they want to stay anonymous.

Its actually pretty common that someone that may have a good tip could be associating with criminal deeds so you dont want to shut off that resource. They pretty much told that group that if they give them a good tip that they will lock them up as a thank you.

if I may point out, this part is incorrect--> "lock up tipsters if need be"..
I'll give an example.. a tipster calls in child abuse, the police find no evidence of abuse but see heroin on the table.
They make that arrest, even if unrelated to the original tip. imho of course

 

[hilary1617]

Every time I check the posts it is about DN 'ad nauseum':gaah: in my opinion, and respectfully said, it would be refreshing to discuss something/someone other than DN. Myself and others have tried several times but the conversation keeps going right back to DN. Think about the waste of time this could very well be. :moo:

That's the polar opposite of my perspective, I check here specifically hoping to see and appreciative of updates and conversation about DN. I respect that there are differences in interests and am grateful to see other topics raised as well. Was happy to receive today's news about RL.

 

[kizzykat]

http://amp.theindychannel.com/24590...ns-were-found-released-on-home-detention.html
Ron Logan's release

From this link:
Logan is not facing any charges in connection with the girls’ disappearance or murders. The Carroll County sheriff said he is "still involved" with the investigation, but is not considered a suspect.

IF that's a current statement from the sheriff and not a MSM re-hash, then RL must know something, why else would he be considered still involved...

 

[heartgoesout]

I have searched and searched for link to grandfathers alibi. Anyone have a concrete link from LE?

 

[Safeguard]

Every time I check the posts it is about DN 'ad nauseum':gaah: in my opinion, and respectfully said, it would be refreshing to discuss something/someone other than DN. Myself and others have tried several times but the conversation keeps going right back to DN. Think about the waste of time this could very well be. :moo:

I jumped ship for pretty much the same reason. I never believed DN was BG for one second. To me he seemed like a scrawny, addled miscreant who could not have had it in him pull off these murders. No way. I guarantee you BG is a hell of a lot more dangerous, colder and more calculating, than DN on his worst day.

So many were were convinced it was DN. it became nearly impossible to have any other possibility discussed.

When a theory about the hatchet being a symbolic phallic symbol, as DN progressed from exposing himself, was introduced, I left.

I don't see people letting this go anytime soon. It's even been suggested that
merely glimpsing this maniac with poor impulse control, waving a hatchet out his car window, could cause life long PTSD.
( I beg to disagree).

People really wanted DN to be guilty, and now that he isn't, there seems to be a need to justify the certainty.

 

[Jax49]

From this link:
Logan is not facing any charges in connection with the girls’ disappearance or murders. The Carroll County sheriff said he is "still involved" with the investigation, but is not considered a suspect.

IF that's a current statement from the sheriff and not a MSM re-hash, then RL must know something, why else would he be considered still involved...

Looks and sounds like a repeat of the statement from months ago.

ETA: The exact same statement is in articles from April...smh.

https://www.theindychannel.com/news...ner-sentenced-in-charges-unrelated-to-murders

 

[NJcares]

Yes, that I do recall...wondering if there was something further to bring them to that exact spot up there on Mt. Herman.

Probably drugs and homelessness. MOO

"In June 2016, Oscar Martinez, District Ranger for the U.S. Forest Service’s Pikes Peak Ranger District, told the Independent that his staff was busy cleaning up homeless campsites in the forest, including on Mount Herman, that were overrun with trash and in some cases contained “sharps,” or drug needles"

https://m.csindy.com/coloradospring...nown-for-illegal-activity/Content?oid=7441765

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[NJcares]

Any other habitants at RLs or in the vicinity? Flagging if not allowed. Thx.


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[sumzero]

Every time I check the posts it is about DN 'ad nauseum':gaah: in my opinion, and respectfully said, it would be refreshing to discuss something/someone other than DN. Myself and others have tried several times but the conversation keeps going right back to DN. Think about the waste of time this could very well be. :moo:

Think of this discussion as a group conversation at a dinner party. The discussion is wide open, permitting all sorts of viewpoints. Everyone is being helpful, sharing and responding to different ideas. Eventually, though, one or two people insist on responding to nearly every comment, agreeing with it if it supports (however remotely) DN’s guilt, rejecting it if it does not. And if there is a momentary pause in the conversation, bringing up the same subject again (ad infinitum ad nauseam). What happens then? People, weary of the single-minded obsession with DN, go silent or simply leave. Sooner or later, there are just a couple of people left, talking to themselves. I’m not sure this was the original intent of WS. Nothing we can do about it, unless a moderator were to intervene.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Today, almost as many posts about RL as DN. Approx 23 RL 27 DN. Ignoring the ones saying DN talk is too much and they would have been a similar number. Total posts in 24 hours amounted to 70, so 43 were non DN related. As DN is the only named POI, IMO it is clearly reasonable to expect discussion on this thread about him.

 

[Jax49]

Thinking about RL tonight...hope he is safe and can stay safe. So many people thought he was BG and I don't think some of them will ever accept that he isn't.

moo

 

[Rott Mom]

I totally agree, but we are not allowed on WS to sleuth anyone else. I wish we could.

 

[Falling Down]

I jumped ship for pretty much the same reason. I never believed DN was BG for one second. To me he seemed like a scrawny, addled miscreant who could not have had it in him pull off these murders. No way. I guarantee you BG is a hell of a lot more dangerous, colder and more calculating, than DN on his worst day. So many were were convinced it was DN. it became nearly impossible to have any other possibility discussed. When a theory about the hatchet being a symbolic phallic symbol, as DN progressed from exposing himself, was introduced, I left. I don't see people letting this go anytime soon. It's even been suggested that merely glimpsing this maniac with poor impulse control, waving a hatchet out his car window, could cause life long PTSD. ( I beg to disagree). People really wanted DN to be guilty, and now that he isn't, there seems to be a need to justify the certainty.

It's comical. X marks the spot.

 

[her]

Something else to talk about.

Can anyone get a family member to post here?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Thanks.

The "Notice of Exclusion of Confidential Information" is something I've never encountered. I'm wondering what kind of confidential info RMF wants excluded.

Most likely financial information pertaining to the foreclosure. Generally you'll have to submit all of your assets and financial information and I suspect he doesn't want to disclose that to the public.

 

[Boxer]

IMO each POI gets filtered through a series of points that they have established.
DN was not a match to the positive, but not eliminated. So he remains a POI.
If I was professionally tasked with solving these murders, I would never really let go of DN as a possibilty. I would consider that a good match for the sketch, no alibi, criminal past, and the fact that he worked for a time within an a hours drive to the crime scene. I would keep him on the B list until proved elsewhere on 2/13.
I also believe that in the end it will be tower data that will eventually uncovers a lie, and the lie will and lead to a successful line of investigation.
I just saw a quote from a detective I would have to find it again, but he said of the Flora girls, " I would give my life to find the killer" -- that just reminded me that the search for the victimizers of the innocent will never ever let up.

 

[carbuff]

I agree that the cell tower data is likely to be what breaks this case. There's a lot of nitty gritty old-fashioned detective work going on, digging into backgrounds and contradictions, and if there's anything to be found, they'll find it. Yeah, it's going to take a lot longer than we, or they, would like, but I really think they'll eventually crack it.

 

[newredtabby]

I have searched and searched for link to grandfathers alibi. Anyone have a concrete link from LE?

Grandfather is off limits here. Read the TOS.


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[MistyWaters]

Grandfather is off limits here. Read the TOS.


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Yes he is and for good reason imo.

Just for interest sake, anyone who watched Dr Phil, iirc it was mentioned he was at work and was called at about 4pm to come help in the initial search, which he did, prior to the filing of the missing persons report just a bit later.

 

[Hatfield]

if I may point out, this part is incorrect--> "lock up tipsters if need be"..
I'll give an example.. a tipster calls in child abuse, the police find no evidence of abuse but see heroin on the table.
They make that arrest, even if unrelated to the original tip. imho of course

Your example is probably closer to what many of their unrelated arrests were for but the original discussion about how LE was making unrelated arrests due to the tips I think all started with the arrest of RL on his unrelated charges.

He was a person who had allowed and let searchers onto his property to search for the girls and then he was voluntarily giving permission to being interviewed by LE and answering their questions.

Then all of a sudden he goes to jail for something unrelated, even if it was due. I believe the discussion all started there. LE basically said as they investigate tips that they would continue to lock up people for unrelated things if they find something that warrants it. .

I remember thinking at the time that they just scared off a bunch of people from offering tips if they had any. Because lets say you suspect it could be person X. And LE goes there and its not person X but they arrest them for some minor infraction. You probably would now feel like doo doo.

I think you are less likely to even call about a person knowing LE will arrest them for anything and everything under the sun.

If you really knew they killed the girls then of course people would probably call regardless. But some may only suspect and now be scared to even call.

All JMO