IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #79

[minazoe]

it doesn't seem to me that any poster here is trying to dissuade other ideas, perps or clues.

it's not the fault of those who suspect DN, that every clue seems to point at him..that every one who knows him seems to point to him, that the police point to him, still..and have not removed him from suspicion..

I think if we could have one thing that would point away , just one thing besides the subjective opinions about his ever changing physical appearance. I think we would gladly follow along other avenues..

LE has reasons beyond even the reasons we know for naming DN. They know way more...they just have to prove it.

if they can't he walks...he's free to come to a nature trail near you and wag his business at your daughters.

Sorry, I just take this really seriously . MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Thinking about RL tonight...hope he is safe and can stay safe. So many people thought he was BG and I don't think some of them will ever accept that he isn't.

moo

I found it very unsettling to observe the cyber execution of RL. Throuughout this case everyone has yearned for more information and we had the landowner do a bit of a walk though on TV to demonstrate the lay of the land. After the masses decided he was "it", the vetrol he was heaped, ......just to say its no wonder after that only the three family members dare to publicly speak out about the case.

 

[MistyWaters]

Your example is probably closer to what many of their unrelated arrests were for but the original discussion about how LE was making unrelated arrests due to the tips I think all started with the arrest of RL on his unrelated charges.

He was a person who had allowed and let searchers onto his property to search for the girls and then he was voluntarily giving permission to being interviewed by LE and answering their questions.

Then all of a sudden he goes to jail for something unrelated, even if it was due. I believe the discussion all started there. LE basically said as they investigate tips that they would continue to lock up people for unrelated things if they find something that warrants it. .

I remember thinking at the time that they just scared off a bunch of people from offering tips if they had any. Because lets say you suspect it could be person X. And LE goes there and its not person X but they arrest them for some minor infraction. You probably would now feel like doo doo.

I think you are less likely to even call about a person knowing LE will arrest them for anything and everything under the sun.

If you really knew they killed the girls then of course people would probably call regardless. But some may only suspect and now be scared to even call.

All JMO

I'm not understanding. Someone is prepared to contact LE with a tip alleging the possibility a certain person might be responsible for an utterly tragic double homicide of two young girls. Instead that someone is arrested for an unrelated minor infraction. Why would that bother the person making the tip?

 

[Rott Mom]

I agree that the cell tower data is likely to be what breaks this case. There's a lot of nitty gritty old-fashioned detective work going on, digging into backgrounds and contradictions, and if there's anything to be found, they'll find it. Yeah, it's going to take a lot longer than we, or they, would like, but I really think they'll eventually crack it.

Would it really take almost a year?

 

[Hatfield]

I'm not understanding. Someone is prepared to contact LE with a tip alleging the possibility a certain person might be responsible for an utterly tragic double homicide of two young girls. Instead that someone is arrested for an unrelated minor infraction. Why would that bother the person making the tip?

It could be their relative for example.

 

[heartgoesout]

Grandfather is off limits here. Read the TOS.


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eek! Not trying to discuss him or break any TOS. Simply looking for link of LE clearing him or for that matter clearing anyone. In my experience, in high profile cases, a quick google search easily pops up several media outlets reporting alibi's and LE making it clear that someone close to a case is not a POI. I cannot find anything. The only thing I can find is LE clearly stating RL is not a suspect. Was just hoping someone had a link.

 

[ocgrad]

I'm not understanding. Someone is prepared to contact LE with a tip alleging the possibility a certain person might be responsible for an utterly tragic double homicide of two young girls. Instead that someone is arrested for an unrelated minor infraction. Why would that bother the person making the tip?

LE was not investigating the tipsters but those they were tipped to. RL was an anomaly.

 

[MistyWaters]

It could be their relative for example.

Okay. My thought is if I suspected a relative of murder, I wouldn't feel badly if they were arrested for any other reason. LE is mandated to deal with whatever comes their way. If they don't consistently make arrests to uphold the law whenever warranted, then they face public allegations involving incompetence, anywhere from favouritism or downright corruption.

Even with RL, assuming he was observed drinking in public, if LE disregarded that, to be fair they'd also have to overlook every other person who violated the same type of order.

 

[gregjrichards]

Something else to talk about.

Can anyone get a family member to post here?

They usually only post on the closed Facebook groups dedicated to the case and what is shared is very limited due to not wanting to hurt the investigation. I totally understand this and support them 100%. I don’t think they could answer our questions.

 

[MistyWaters]

LE was not investigating the tipsters but those they were tipped to. RL was an anomaly.

I agree, I hadn't noticed anywhere that LE was arresting tipsters.

On another topic, I can't locate the link at the moment, but I distinctly recall LE saying (my paraphrasing) it was taking additional time to process tips because they found it necessary to re-contact the tipster to verify the details of the tip to determine if the tip was legitimate. I understood that to mean some tips that were received were fabricated and bogus, ie impersonation.

 

[mtnlites]

As soon as someone has a MSM or LE link stating RL is in/out please post so we know for sure. TIA.

CALL 6: Man who owns property where Delphi teens were found released on home detention
Logan was facing probation violation charges

https://www.theindychannel.com/news...i-teens-were-found-released-on-home-detention


Some of us are from the area or have people in our lives who are directly connected to the case and the information comes a little bit sooner than the MSM articles.

 

[mtnlites]

RL is being released. He will spend the last 2 months on house arrest. I don't have a link for this that doesn't violate WS terms so, if it helps, count this as a IMO post. Could be that the dozen or so people who were live posting and sharing news from the courthouse today were wrong, but this is also what I was told by a family member who was at the courthouse today as well.

I posted this at around 3pm or so but the media didn't start posting about it until a couple of hours later.

CALL 6: Man who owns property where Delphi teens were found released on home detention
Logan was facing probation violation charges

https://www.theindychannel.com/news...i-teens-were-found-released-on-home-detention

 

[GMF3]

I hope someone throws some dough at ol' RL so we can find out what the questioning was like. He may not wanna put his current status at risk, but some money may do the job. Need to get Greeno on a crowd funding. I mean, he could have driven BG away from the scene, unknowingly. Maybe he's one of the witnesses. I'd love to know more. It's more than we know now.

As sad as it is, having his sentence modified is HOT NEWS at this very point in the Investigation.

It's time for new information.

Aloha.

 

[MistyWaters]

I hope someone throws some dough at ol' RL so we can find out what the questioning was like. He may not wanna put his current status at risk, but some money may do the job. Need to get Greeno on a crowd funding. I mean, he could have driven BG away from the scene, unknowingly. Maybe he's one of the witnesses. I'd love to know more. It's more than we know now.

As sad as it is, having his sentence modified is HOT NEWS at this very point in the Investigation.

It's time for new information.

Aloha.

I'm not noticing a laughing emoticon but I'm guessing you've writen this in jest.

 

[GMF3]

I'm not noticing a laughing emoticon but I'm guessing you've writen this in jest.

Which part?!?

Seriously, there's nothing new to talk about.

 

[MistyWaters]

Which part?!?

Seriously, there's nothing new to talk about.

Whew, but better watch out now, you might be bombarded with offers to donate!

ETA: That was truly a great piece of creative writing!

 

[mtnlites]

it doesn't seem to me that any poster here is trying to dissuade other ideas, perps or clues.

it's not the fault of those who suspect DN, that every clue seems to point at him..that every one who knows him seems to point to him, that the police point to him, still..and have not removed him from suspicion..


LE has reasons beyond even the reasons we know for naming DN. They know way more...they just have to prove it.

if they can't he walks...he's free to come to a nature trail near you and wag his business at your daughters.

Sorry, I just take this really seriously . MOO

What "clues"? All we have is a sketch, a generic description, a possible timeframe for the attack (and maybe the murders, but maybe not), and 3 still shots from a camera.

There are many people out there on SM and the rest of the internet who have created videos and posts about how "every clue" points to someone else (various people on different videos/posts) and those people are just as convincing as the posts about DN are on here. Most people probably have a POI in mind and those people are pretty convinced that "their" guy is the one. We're just not allowed to discuss them because those people have not been approved by mods. I am not saying that I agree with those other people, just saying that every person who has a suspect in mind is pretty convinced that THEIR POI is the "right" one and they probably have things to back up that assumption, just as you do about DN.

As far as your last statement goes, just because I am not convinced that DN is BG does not mean that I don't think the man shouldn't be punished for the crimes that he HAS committed.

 

[ElementalLaura]

Okay. My thought is if I suspected a relative of murder, I wouldn't feel badly if they were arrested for any other reason. LE is mandated to deal with whatever comes their way. If they don't consistently make arrests to uphold the law whenever warranted, then they face public allegations involving incompetence, anywhere from favouritism or downright corruption.

Even with RL, assuming he was observed drinking in public, if LE disregarded that, to be fair they'd also have to overlook every other person who violated the same type of order.

BBM. RL is an outlier here. RL’s problem is that he lied about where he was during the timeframe of the murders to cover up that he was out drinking & driving. LE was understandably suspicious when they were clearing alibis and found out that the landowner of the murder site was lying about his whereabouts during the murders. And although RL did give permission for them to search for the girls on his land, my recollection is that LE executed a search warrant to go through the buildings and his house.

I never thought RL was BG, but I also never considered him as sympathetic a character as many here do. He had already skated on 4 DUIs (at least), is considered a habitual offender, and only had probation revoked because he was out DUI’ing again. He lied to LE about his whereabouts during the murders to save his own hide. He should be cooperating fully at this point!

 

[margarita25]

http://amp.theindychannel.com/24590...ns-were-found-released-on-home-detention.html
Ron Logan's release

Welcome 20CentsLB. Thanks for posting the update.

:welcome5:

 

[margarita25]

(So, this is going to sound hoaky or whatever, but my goal last year (ugh, "last year"), was that there would be an arrest by my 20,000th post. Since that has not happened obviously, I'm putting it out there positively in "The Universe" for an ARREST FOR THE MURDERS OF ABIGAIL WILLIAMS AND LIBERTY GERMAN by my post #22,222.

:candle: )

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams

(Gregjrichards, I can't waaaaaait for you to change your avatar, for the LOVE OF MIKE!! (Miss you Skibby...) )

Justice for Abby and Libby! Nothing will ever bring them back, BUT...


WHO IS BG????!!!!?????!!!!!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

(/$#@)