IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #82

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  • #61
Welcome Try2solve. I just reread you post and thought how good if this were the case.
Thank You Shiressleuth. So many are sad over the press conferance but I can't help think LE are much closer than we know. Notice how Carter stated they've cleared everyone they've spoken to? It's much easier to say that if you're secretly watching BG. I also believe BG is a SK. I can't help but remembering LE stating they would release more video if they had to. They don't have to. I believe Carter is now saying don't look at the face because family and friends of BG are quickly saying they can't see the face when being interviewed. The girls familes would be outraged if they knew LE was watching BG instead of arresting him. If BG is a SK and Indiana found him that's a huge success for ISP. I think Carter had the presser at the trail because they feel good about their progress. If ISP
were clueless, they wouldn't of had that press conference. JMO
 
  • #62
It’s all well and good trying to protect the case but the “down the hill” isn’t enough to go on so they obviously need to release more or the case isn’t going anywhere.

If I was the parents at this stage I would start looking for outside help as LE obviously don’t have a clue and the more time that passes the less chance of this ever being solved.

Time to hire a private detective, MOO.

If the sketch of BG is possibly so inaccurate that they have advised to forget the face and just look at the body, if the hat was chosen at random and not the one BG was actually wearing, if they aren’t planning to release any further video or information, if the “not blue eyes” is confusing, it is time for fresh eyes to look at the case.

Not saying that LE is incompetent or anything like it. Perhaps this case, horrifying especially for small town Indiana, has just taken such a terrible toll on LE that fresh eyes might have different results. MOO
 
  • #63
Time to hire a private detective, MOO.

If the sketch of BG is possibly so inaccurate that they have advised to forget the face and just look at the body, if the hat was chosen at random and not the one BG was actually wearing, if they aren’t planning to release any further video or information, if the “not blue eyes” is confusing, it is time for fresh eyes to look at the case.

Not saying that LE is incompetent or anything like it. Perhaps this case, horrifying especially for small town Indiana, has just taken such a terrible toll on LE that fresh eyes might have different results. MOO

The fact that the families haven't hired a PI is partly what gives me continued hope for the case. That they still appear to be supportive and encouraging towards the direction of the investigation makes me think that they know more about how things are going and they're satisfied.
 
  • #64
I'm afraid I don't see the point of a profile. This is a crime where we do not know how the girls were killed, whether there was a sexual assault, whether weapons were used, whether they were restrained, whether it was a rage killing, or pre planned or revenge or a madman or a family man. :cow:
It's very difficult to come up with a profile without seeing crime scene photos.

Since some of the girls' underclothes were found separate from the bodies, we can assume a sexual motivation.

The person who found the bodies didn't immediatey recognize them as human, so we can assume they were unclothed.

The audio demonstrates that the perp controls his victims by force rather than by tricking or luring them.

I would profile him as a macho, domineering person. I think he'd drive a full-size American-made truck, maybe even a dualie if he can afford one, or a hyper-masculine SUV like a Hummer, probably black in color.

I think he works in a profession where he's in control in that he either gets to push other people around or gets to work independently with little supervision: cop, firefighter, mechanic, tow-truck driver, roofer, construction site foreman, general contractor, etc.--a very masculine profession.

Based on the photos, he could have some kind of disability or deformity related to his right leg. (He could have a slight club foot, etc.)

He's in his mid 40's to late 50's and is married. His wife is submissive, and he's verbally abusive towards her. He's emotionally distant from his kids, who are grown--probably estranged from them, in fact. If they come home to see their mother, they avoid interacting with him.

He probably has a concealed weapon permit, and he probably owns a large-caliber handgun, like a .45.
 
  • #65
Snipped for focus from trytosolve
"I believe Carter is now saying don't look at the face because family and friends of BG are quickly saying they can't see the face when being interviewed."

I agree with this. Bella Bond's grandmother did not call in because she did not think the sketch looked like her granddaughter. Example below of why a sketch is a likeliness but not an exact. (the left image is the sketch)

Carter is saying look at the body, the clothes, the voice not so much the face.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...doe-tragedy/3f4oAZaC2Pvjvae3NUsXkK/story.html
 
  • #66
I'm afraid I don't see the point of a profile. This is a crime where we do not know how the girls were killed, whether there was a sexual assault, whether weapons were used, whether they were restrained, whether it was a rage killing, or pre planned or revenge or a madman or a family man. :cow:

I think the idea keeps people talking and A&L in our thoughts. Gives a different perspective then maybe I would have thought of otherwise.

I've been doing college tour after college tour across my state. Dropped my son for a few overnight visits and stayed in hotels for the night a few times. Hours to myself... It did cross my mind that February is a big college visit month and looked up nearby colleges thinking maybe BG popped in town for that.
Brainstorming like this opens possible doors that wouldn't otherwise be thought of if we all didn't throw in our two cents.

I respect everyones opinions on this thread and we have some smart people on here so I say profile away. We all understand the limitations that comes with the limited info we have, but what does it hurt?
 
  • #67
He was asked yesterday and said no they will not release more and there is enough released for people to id him.

Which is obviously rubbish or people would of been able to ID him before now.

LE have no idea who did this and for the parents it just adds to their burden.

Not necessarily true on either count. Unfortunately what LE say cannot always be relied upon.
If it is just girls screams and sounds of shots or whatever else transpired, how would it help exactly anyway?
The images of BG that have been released appear to show him at least several yards away from the girls; it's hard to believe there isn't more video of him from before he was face to face with them. Even a very short (2- or 3-second) clip could be enough to make something click in someone's mind.
 
  • #68
With that said here's mine.
I do not think BG is a SK.
I think this is a crime of a hot tempered man who sadly finally snapped out of anger for a specific reason.
I do not think this is a dark web or cyber stalking case.
A rough, but quiet man.
Married, but just a day to day relationship of convenience.
addicted to 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬...agreed
Not self employed. Not enough motivation for that.
is a loner...disagree, I think he blends in just fine. Probably too good.
is a LOSER...agreed

I believe the brain rationalizes awfulness like this crime by shutting off thinking our neighbors, priests, teachers, mailman, etc...etc.. could do something like this. Sadly I think when BG is finally caught his identity will be shocking to those who knew him.

Speaking of mailmen they're usually done early afternoon. And know their areas like the back of their hand. Wonder if this angle has been looked into. Just a thought, nothing to back it up.
 
  • #69
I am not trying to be rude or otherwise what was the tipping point that we can no longer discuss DN? Did I miss something that LE has cleared him as a POI?
From Press Conference held at the Trail 13 February 2018
When asked about Daniel Nations (around 9m50s):

“Until there’s someone arrested, we’re interested in almost everybody.”

“As you all know, we went out to Colorado and spent a little bit of time with him and he’s not a person that we, umm, care a whole lot about at this moment in time; and that’s all I’ll say about Daniel Nations.”
So? What does this really mean? To me, it states
That DN is still a POI.

We know that DN's Public defender refused IN LE to talk to him.
I am confused. TIA
 
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  • #71
Welcome Try2solve. I just reread you post and thought how good if this were the case.

It's very difficult to come up with a profile without seeing crime scene photos.

Since some of the girls' underclothes were found separate from the bodies, we can assume a sexual motivation.

The person who found the bodies didn't immediatey recognize them as human, so we can assume they were unclothed.

The audio demonstrates that the perp controls his victims by force rather than by tricking or luring them.

I would profile him as a macho, domineering person. I think he'd drive a full-size American-made truck, maybe even a dualie if he can afford one, or a hyper-masculine SUV like a Hummer, probably black in color.

I think he works in a profession where he's in control in that he either gets to push other people around or gets to work independently with little supervision: cop, firefighter, mechanic, tow-truck driver, roofer, construction site foreman, general contractor, etc.--a very masculine profession.

Based on the photos, he could have some kind of disability or deformity related to his right leg. (He could have a slight club foot, etc.)

He's in his mid 40's to late 50's and is married. His wife is submissive, and he's verbally abusive towards her. He's emotionally distant from his kids, who are grown--probably estranged from them, in fact. If they come home to see their mother, they avoid interacting with him.

He probably has a concealed weapon permit, and he probably owns a large-caliber handgun, like a .45.
I must agree Ozoner. I'd like to add an avid hunter
who stuffs his kill for display. Also a show off in regards to material possessions. Trying to make up for his disability. I could see him getting out of an oversized expensive truck.
 
  • #72
I must agree Ozoner. I'd like to add an avid hunter
who stuffs his kill for display. Also a show off in regards to material possessions. Trying to make up for his disability. I could see him getting out of an oversized expensive truck.

I can see that as well, but that also describes the vehicle of choice for almost every other man in my county (we have a big, oversized truck ourselves and my husband is European). Sometimes the vehicle is a cultural and regional choice (if he's a farmer, hauls a lot of stuff, has a rural identity, etc) and not necessarily a psychological one.

With that being said, I also think he's a hunter. He's comfortable with trails and being out in nature. Perhaps it's just the high bridge park that he's comfortable with, because he knows it, but my money is on him being outdoorsy in general.

The fact that, early on, LE was asking if anyone picked up any hitchhikers after the crime is still standing out to me. I wonder if they were just grasping or if they truly did have a reason to suspect that BG was on foot.
 
  • #73
I can see that as well, but that also describes the vehicle of choice for almost every other man in my county (we have a big, oversized truck ourselves and my husband is European). Sometimes the vehicle is a cultural and regional choice (if he's a farmer, hauls a lot of stuff, has a rural identity, etc) and not necessarily a psychological one.

With that being said, I also think he's a hunter. He's comfortable with trails and being out in nature. Perhaps it's just the high bridge park that he's comfortable with, because he knows it, but my money is on him being outdoorsy in general.

The fact that, early on, LE was asking if anyone picked up any hitchhikers after the crime is still standing out to me. I wonder if they were just grasping or if they truly did have a reason to suspect that BG was on foot.

One of the reasons I asked about locations of billboards was because I thought maybe BG hitch hiked out of there & was picked up by a trucker. And then wondered if BG himself is a trucker.


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  • #74
One of the reasons I asked about locations of billboards was because I thought maybe BG hitch hiked out of there & was picked up by a trucker. And then wondered if BG himself is a trucker.


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it was one of my first thoughts as well. I saw posts back then, reviews for IN Packers from a trucker complaining how long they make them wait to load, sometimes a whole day they have to kill time or leave and come back.
 
  • #75
it was one of my first thoughts as well. I saw posts back then, reviews for IN Packers from a trucker complaining how long they make them wait to load, sometimes a whole day they have to kill time or leave and come back.

I wouldn't be surprised if IP is somehow involved. Trucks are in and out of it all the time, they have few problems with hiring people with records, the timing of the bomb threat, the number of times LE has been out there, etc. It was always one of those places that kind of had a "that's a rough place to work" reputation, and not because the work was difficult, per se.
 
  • #76
I am not trying to be rude or otherwise what was the tipping point that we can no longer discuss DN? Did I miss something that LE has cleared him as a POI?
From Press Conference held at the Trail 13 February 2018
When asked about Daniel Nations (around 9m50s):

“Until there’s someone arrested, we’re interested in almost everybody.”

“As you all know, we went out to Colorado and spent a little bit of time with him and he’s not a person that we, umm, care a whole lot about at this moment in time; and that’s all I’ll say about Daniel Nations.”
So? What does this really mean? To me, it states
That DN is still a POI.

We know that DN's Public defender refused IN LE to talk to him.
I am confused. TIA
AG asked the question about DN and then he asked a follow up question, "Have you been able to clear anybody?" Carter said he is confident everyone they have talked to is not involved. So we assume he also meant DN even though he didn't use the actual words. It seemed implied I think because although it was a general sweeping statement, I think he knew who AG was actually asking about.
 
  • #77
So sad that a year has passed with no resolution in sight. Unreal to think that despite video evidence, STILL no arrest.

Anyone else have a gut feeling that ultimately the arrest will be an utter shock?

:rose::rose:
 
  • #78
So sad that a year has passed with no resolution in sight. Unreal to think that despite video evidence, STILL no arrest.

Anyone else have a gut feeling that ultimately the arrest will be an utter shock?

:rose::rose:

unfortunately I have no doubt.
and i so hope I am wrong
 
  • #79
So sad that a year has passed with no resolution in sight. Unreal to think that despite video evidence, STILL no arrest.

Anyone else have a gut feeling that ultimately the arrest will be an utter shock?

:rose::rose:

Before the image of BG was released, before the audio portion of the tape came out, my gut instinct was that it was a peer-related death. Some kind of hazing or bullying incident. Due to the fact that the girls were alone, it was a day off from school, a place where other kids their age sometimes hung out, etc. I thought they might have met up with people there, or simply ran into people there, and something REALLY bad happened. I thought one of the girls might have even been killed by accident and they panicked and killed the other so as not to leave a witness. That was my first instinct. Bullying is so bad these days and cyberbullying is even worse.

Then the audio/image were released and BG was presented. That scrapped my whole original idea.

Going back to the beginning and starting over, I DO wonder if this crime is a lot simpler than we think. When an arrest is made, it won't surprise me at all if we sit back and go, "Oh yeah, wow! Really should have seen that coming..."

With that being said, I don't have a specific person in mind at all.
 
  • #80
I must agree Ozoner. I'd like to add an avid hunter
who stuffs his kill for display. Also a show off in regards to material possessions. Trying to make up for his disability. I could see him getting out of an oversized expensive truck.

bbm
.... Talking about and showing his many weapons on Facebook perhaps?
 
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