IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #82

[DeDee]

I was asking the new user if they were a Dylan Thomas fan because of their user name.

So, it doesn't have anything to do with why we are here: "Abby and Libby" who were brutally murdered.

That is a personal question and should perhaps best approached in a PM but not proper on a public forum.

I also enjoy Dylan Thomas, especially his poem about when someone goes gentle into that goodnight.

Abby and Libby sure didn't. They raged against the dying of the light.

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://jodineserrin.net/suspect/ ........................... Please, read it all!! Verrry interesting! Great website re information! - Am I the only one who sees enough similarity between the Parabon pic and the sketch in case Abby/Libby (perp 10 years older now)??

Are you saying you think both perps are the same guy because the Ca sketch resembles the BG sketch? Or are you saying you think the BG sketch is from a Parabon DNA process?

I don't think they are the same guy but I do think BG sketch could be from Parabon and it was discussed several times.

If you think the perps look similar, a tip could be made to LE.

 

[DeDee]

That happened over a year ago. Why suddenly become outraged about it now?

<SBMS>

Searchers asked RL at 6 to search his property. The girls were discovered where several paths intersect. Hence, I feel the area was searched and LE was shocked to learn the girls were in a location that had been searched the evening before.

ISP Douglas Carter stated in the first press conf. that "He was so very sorry". I took that to mean LE was admitting it was the wrong thing to do to call off the search. However, it was far too late by that time.

Hence, I feel the area was searched and LE was shocked to learn the girls were in a location that had been searched the evening before.

Do you have a link where LE said the girls were found in a location that had been searched before? I've often wondered about that.

Perhaps you skipped some of my words. I wrote "I feel"... Now, how do I find a SMS link for my feelings. Tell me that, please. TIA

 

[Try2solve]

I'm intrigued with one sentence during the press conference at Monan Bridge 2/13: an example was being given, what someone recognizing the image or voice of BG would say: "that is my brother." He continued with other examples too, yet he could have said boyfriend, husband, son, and yet brother was first. Not for the first time I am thinking they are speaking to someone's conscience...someone who might be watching. It was like the previoius television appeal: "someone talked to him yesterday."

So many observant people here...

 

[Shiressleuth]

So, it doesn't have anything to do with why we are here: "Abby and Libby" who were brutally murdered.

That is a personal question and should perhaps be approached in a PM but not proper on a public forum.

I also enjoy Dylan Thomas, especially nis poem about when someone goes gentle into that goodnight.

Abby and Libby sure didn't. They raged against the dying of the light.

I was welcoming the poster publically. Please don't tell me how to post.
The poem you mention is "do not go gentle into that good night" I believe. So Dylan Thomas is definitely on topic I agree with you there.

 

[DeDee]

That username is "downthehill" backwards it seems

kc, thank you for noticing that obvious username of DTH spelled backward.

kc, you hail from the Great Hoosier State, in the Heartland of America, please tell us your thoughts of the voice of DTH. Do you hear a particular dialect from a certain region? Do you hear an accent that is common for the area of Carroll Co, Delphi, in particular?

Also, I really liked someone's idea who mentioned LE may have a linguistics expert working with them on the sound of this Very Monstrous BG' voice analysis. High Five to you for that!

 

[Shiressleuth]

Hence, I feel the area was searched and LE was shocked to learn the girls were in a location that had been searched the evening before.



Perhaps you skipped some of my words. I wrote "I feel"... Now, how do I find a SMS link for my feelings. Tell me that, please. TIA

It wasn't clear to me that it was your opinion that LE were shocked - that's why I asked. What makes you feel LE were shocked and the location had been searched the night before? That would be really significant if true .

 

[Angela_Beckett]

Yes, but who in particular? Who calls off a search for two young girls?? But allows or didn&#8217;t control others still searching said area. I don&#8217;t care what time it is. This has never made sense to me!

:ditto:

 

[heartgoesout]

So sad that a year has passed with no resolution in sight. Unreal to think that despite video evidence, STILL no arrest.

Anyone else have a gut feeling that ultimately the arrest will be an utter shock?

:rose::rose:

unfortunately I have no doubt.
and i so hope I am wrong

Oh, my goodness. I'd love to know your basis for this....but my gut is strongly telling me this will be a huge surprise. Praying for justice for these two innocent girls.

My answer was in response to Gumbeaux. Again sorry for the drama.

To elaborate on why I have no doubt BG identity will be shocking, I have a huge problem that this was random. By dumb luck, BG just happened to be at the right place at the right time, with unsupervised children, on a random day of no school, in a remote area, to commit what seems to me a very rage filled brutal slaying. Was it really that opportunistic?

It makes more sense to me that BG knew the girls in some capacity rather than some wild serial killer at the right place, right time, finding unsupervised children, on a random day of no school, in a remote area.

I feel we as humans need this to not be a trusted community figure that people know because it's easier to make some sense of the horridness on some level.

What is hard to swallow is that it could be a brother, a father, a teacher, coach, (examples only!!) and no one ever wants to have to think that way. So like I said, I so hope I'm wrong, but I just feel BG knew the girls.

 

[heartgoesout]

That happened over a year ago. Why suddenly become outraged about it now?

Many of us felt it wasn't a proper call to make. The Sheriff stated the temps were dangerous for the searchers to remain outdoors. If it was too cold for the searchers then, wasn't it too cold for the girls, too? Sheriff Tobe effectively stopped the official search at midnight. Many volunteers stayed out there for a few more hours.

Becky told us they felt the girls had fallen and may be hurt so they were looking down along the pathways and areas of the search [Dr Phil Show].

Searchers asked RL at 6 to search his property. The girls were discovered where several paths intersect. Hence, I feel the area was searched and LE was shocked to learn the girls were in a location that had been searched the evening before.

ISP Douglas Carter stated in the first press conf. that "He was so very sorry". I took that to mean LE was admitting it was the wrong thing to do to call off the search. However, it was far too late by that time.

Why? Because we are back to square one. : (
I didn't see the other posts about this til after I posted so coincidentally we're on the same page.

It has alway, always bothered me that the search was called off and that some lingered around. It's unfathomable.

I want to know who suggested to stop searching? and who followed suit and who did not.

 

[DeDee]

Maybe because the Delphi pic was enhanced.
Paragon is DNA only.

Hiya, Try2solve! May I assume you hit the letter g key instead of the letter b key when typing the word parabon? I make similar typing errors myself.

Techs need a nanogram of DNA

[video=youtube;Ln-1-WysCbw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln-1-WysCbw[/video]

Parabon
Over the past four years, using deep data mining and advanced machine learning algorithms in a specialized bioinformatics pipeline, Parabon — with funding support from the US Department of Defense (DoD) — developed the Snapshot Forensic DNA Phenotyping System, which accurately predicts genetic ancestry, eye color, hair color, skin color, freckling, and face shape in individuals from any ethnic background, even individuals with mixed ancestry.
https://snapshot.parabon-nanolabs.com/

 

[Try2solve]

I remember having been so shocked about the call off, nearly as much as the next day when I heard the girls were found dead.

The search was called off for the same reason the girls were allowed to go hiking alone: Everyone thought they lived in a safe area where terrible things didn't happen. They were wrong.

 

[Try2solve]

Hiya, Try2solve! May I assume you hit the letter g key instead of the letter b key when typing the word parabon? I make similar typing errors myself.


[video=youtube;Ln-1-WysCbw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln-1-WysCbw[/video]

Thanks Dedee!

 

[heartgoesout]

The search was called off for the same reason the girls were allowed to go hiking alone: Everyone thought they lived in a safe area where terrible things didn't happen. They were wrong.

Called off by who??? and who is everyone??
No way, no how, drag me out of there would I have stopped searching. So again I ask who??

 

[ocgrad]

Old but relevent.
http://www.wdrb.com/story/36134958/...eved-to-have-killed-2-girls-in-delphi-indiana
Posted: Aug 14, 2017 8:04 PM MDT Updated: Aug 14, 2017 9:00 PM MDT
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) -- The lead detective investigating the killings of two Indiana girls said they have more audio of the killer's voice.
Abby Williams and Libby German were killed in February while out on a walk at the Delphi historic trails.

Police released an audio clip recorded on Libby's cell phone of what's believed to be the killer's voice saying "Down the Hill." Police now say they have even more from her phone.
"We have only released a portion of it," said Sgt. Jerry Holeman with Indiana State Police. "There are some others we think could help us, but again, protecting the integrity of the investigation is key. So we cant release everything, because there are certain people that know the details."

Additional Audio - check
Multiple suspects - sure sounds that way

Police also said the recovered DNA evidence from the crime scene.

DNA - check

Several people say they saw the killer on the trails the day Abby and Libby died, which helped police develop a composite sketch released last month.

Multiple witnesses - check
Sketch from Witnesses - check


If you read between the lines the detectives have far more evidence than what we can even speculate on, including IMO clear images of the suspect(s) face(s) on video, which would explain why they released several poor quality stills but no video. So Paragon testing probably isn't needed. It could also explain why they discounted DN so quickly. They went to CO, saw his face, compared it to their video, and then turned around and left CO. Personally, I still find him to be a legitimate POI regardless. I'm still in shock that he wasn't charged in the death of TW.

IMO what they are looking for is someone to put a name to the sketch. And they are embarrassed because they cannot do that. I also believe they have a linguist working the case and that is why they have contacted the GA state police for help. Perhaps they identified the accent as being from that area?

Out of everything though, the biggest unanswered question I have is how we have BG on top of the bridge being seen by a witness, along with others being seen below the bridge, and then BG tells the girls to go down the hill and commits the crime without being seen or heard by those same people under the bridge. The timeline does not provide enough time for those seen under the bridge by the witnesses to have left the scene without seeing BG or hearing the murders take place. So IMO everything points to more than one person and those seen under the bridge as suspects also in the crime.

The other option is of course.... that the additional people under the bridge were/are witnesses providing the details for the sketch.

Thank you. This article answers a lot of the questions recently posed.
I'm not sure i agree that they have clearer video of the killer's face(s). Surely they could have used a clearer image if they had it. But they definitely were quick to determine DN did not meet the criteria they were looking for, Carter said, "I feel differently about him now based upon what we know about him". Something didn't match, DNA, voice, facial recognition. It's hard to believe but it doesn't seem ambiguous.

As for being seen by witnesses under the bridge, I cannot understand why no one HEARD them, their screams, even the sound of 3 or more people going through the leaves and brush and across the creek would have made a lot of noise that someone at or near the bridge would have heard. Maybe they did.

I have for a while been thinking more than one suspect is the reason they cannot rule someone out. If they only have DNA from one person that doesn't mean another person wasn't there. Maybe the DNA isn't BG. That would make the case complex and difficult to exclude people.

 

[WestieMom]

https://jodineserrin.net/suspect/ ........................... Please, read it all!! Verrry interesting! Great website re information! - Am I the only one who sees enough similarity between the Parabon pic and the sketch in case Abby/Libby (perp 10 years older now)??

Says eyes are green or blue. LE said no blue eyes in A&L’s case.


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[Deleted member 102539]

Says eyes are green or blue. LE said no blue eyes in A&L&#8217;s case.


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Green isn't blue - it fits.

 

[kkdj]

Maybe there were witnesses or LE believes there must have been. Maybe the witnesses can't come forward out of fear. Maybe they themselves are wanted criminals. Maybe BG is in LE and the witnesses know it. Maybe the witnesses were threatened by BG. Maybe BG did hurt a witness already as a warning. Who knows?!?

 

[jamerton]

https://jodineserrin.net/suspect/ ........................... Please, read it all!! Verrry interesting! Great website re information! - Am I the only one who sees enough similarity between the Parabon pic and the sketch in case Abby/Libby (perp 10 years older now)??

I see very strong similarities.

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[ocgrad]

The PC was dismal. There is zero indication or real reason to think LE has any idea who BG. The most they can say is it was not any of those investigated. Jmo

Sort of. They specifically said they feel those they have talked to are not involved. Since they didn't post the picture or play the voice or mention the reward it doesn't seem like they were appealing to the general public at large but to someone specific. Maybe there are people they have investigated they haven't been able to talk to.