IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #82

[Try2solve]

Wait, Abby's Grandpa took her shopping the weekend before the murders(!)? He bought her that softball glove among else and they went back to the hotel and played catch in the parking lot. Thereafter they proceeded to the "park" and GP pitched to her etc..

Is it possible BG may have stayed at that hotel or at the park and had stalked her ever since and or even contacted her somehow? If he stalked Abby, that would have led him to Libby's house, as Abby stayed there over that weekend!

Marker 1:44 ff of the GP interview seems to be a picture from either the park or the hotel parking lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGFMnz0zUA&app=desktop

-Nin

Wow! Really smart.

 

[Try2solve]

It is spotty. There are areas where the reception is great and areas where it doesn't exist-and sometimes the areas are only a few feet apart. I've had it work on one end of the bridge but not the other. (It's a really long bridge.)

So you crossed the bridge? Was it scary?

 

[mtnlites]

Wait, Abby's Grandpa took her shopping the weekend before the murders(!)? He bought her that softball glove among else and they went back to the hotel and played catch in the parking lot. Thereafter they proceeded to the "park" and GP pitched to her etc..

Is it possible BG may have stayed at that hotel or at the park and had stalked her ever since and or even contacted her somehow? If he stalked Abby, that would have led him to Libby's house, as Abby stayed there over that weekend!

Marker 1:44 ff of the GP interview seems to be a picture from either the park or the hotel parking lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGFMnz0zUA&app=desktop

-Nin

Why not? It's possible. I think this is definitely an avenue of interest that should be taken seriously and looked into.

 

[kat913]

Wait, Abby's Grandpa took her shopping the weekend before the murders(!)? He bought her that softball glove among else and they went back to the hotel and played catch in the parking lot. Thereafter they proceeded to the "park" and GP pitched to her etc..

Is it possible BG may have stayed at that hotel or at the park and had stalked her ever since and or even contacted her somehow? If he stalked Abby, that would have led him to Libby's house, as Abby stayed there over that weekend!

Marker 1:44 ff of the GP interview seems to be a picture from either the park or the hotel parking lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGFMnz0zUA&app=desktop

-Nin

Wow NIN....perfect opportunity!! Also in Iowa girls, Lyric came over to Elizabeth's grandma's house just for that day...only that day. What if he follows one and finds the other and that is how it happens. Seems random but it could be very well planned. Who knows...i don't know where or what i did last week but if someone is stalking me...they know everything i did (just an example must stay safe lol)

 

[Yvettea]

Wait, Abby's Grandpa took her shopping the weekend before the murders(!)? He bought her that softball glove among else and they went back to the hotel and played catch in the parking lot. Thereafter they proceeded to the "park" and GP pitched to her etc..

Is it possible BG may have stayed at that hotel or at the park and had stalked her ever since and or even contacted her somehow? If he stalked Abby, that would have led him to Libby's house, as Abby stayed there over that weekend!

Marker 1:44 ff of the GP interview seems to be a picture from either the park or the hotel parking lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGFMnz0zUA&app=desktop

-Nin

I don't believe there is a hotel in Delphi.

 

[GMF3]

I'm not sure it's fair to talk ***** about Greeno and his buddy. Yeah, they come off a bit cray cray, but I really do appreciate the intro to their videos talking about where their "studio" is at. Down deaf child road and all of that. I laugh every time.

As much as we may or may not want to take these guys seriously, (yes I know, Greeno was in jail just a couple of weeks ago) they are the only ones that have corresponded with DN and conducted a video interview of KN.

That's way more than anyone else has shown us in these dry times. So, I'm thankful they're around. At least they're giving us something in a world of getting absolutely nothing.

I think that's fair to say.

Aloha.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I think if some posts aren't deleted by the poster they are going to be deleted for you.

 

[kat913]

I don't believe there is a hotel in Delphi.

So, where would be the closest sporting goods store to go to after picking Abby up and then what hotel would they have selected?
The park could very well have been the softball fields near Delphi Middle school??

 

[mtnlites]

If I remember correctly discussing psychics or mediums is against Websleuths rules. I personally think it is cruel on the families with loved ones missing or murdered to involve psychics or mediums into their cases. Just my opinion.

I believe in that stuff (to an extent anyway) but I also feel it's cruel when they come forward and claim to have information, especially if they say it's a message from the child. I cut off a long-term friend for continuing to call me, saying that my deceased son was "contacting" her. (Especially since none of the "information" was accurate.) Grieving parents will latch onto just about any kind of hope and there are lots of scammers out there. :-(

 

[kat913]

Wait, Abby's Grandpa took her shopping the weekend before the murders(!)? He bought her that softball glove among else and they went back to the hotel and played catch in the parking lot. Thereafter they proceeded to the "park" and GP pitched to her etc..

Is it possible BG may have stayed at that hotel or at the park and had stalked her ever since and or even contacted her somehow? If he stalked Abby, that would have led him to Libby's house, as Abby stayed there over that weekend!

Marker 1:44 ff of the GP interview seems to be a picture from either the park or the hotel parking lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGFMnz0zUA&app=desktop

-Nin

The weekend before would be Friday Feb 3rd - 5th....hmm

 

[Jax49]

Let's give DN a rest. If something changes and the police come out officially say DN is a person of interest then OK.

Here is the official statement about DN from Superintendent Douglas Carter with the Indiana State Police: "As you all know, we went out to Colorado and we spent
a little bit of time with him [Daniel Nations], and he's not a person we care a whole lot about at this time,"

DN has been investigated every which way, inside and out, upside down and we have NOTHING NEW.

We are going with the official statement from LE about DN.

No need to discuss Daniel Nations any longer. Let's move on, please.

Thank you,
Tricia

Bumping in case anyone missed the memo.

bbm

 

[margarita25]

Do you guys remember my JAWS analogy? About how some smaller shark(s) may be intitially reeled in the beginning like in JAWS and people might think this is likely the killer, when really there is a megashark much larger than the one(s) already pulled in, still lurking in the waters undetected? This is how I feel now, a BIG shark lurking in the waters.
( https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-68&p=13655017#post13655017 )

Point is:

Without discussing you know who, we are looking for an older, more skilled and organized predator, hunter, SK.
(Glad I don't have to eat my shorts, but would much rather do that than still be here with the killer on the loose/gosh even predicted the EXACT VERBAGE...
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-68&p=13655058#post13655058 )

 

[Rott Mom]

I absolutely respect all the posts regarding these two innocent girls being murdered. All I know as of right now,
LE has no idea who did this - my town still lives in fear.
IMO - if this was a "catfish" incident, wouldn't LE know that by now - a year later?

 

[gregjrichards]

I absolutely respect all the posts regarding these two innocent girls being murdered. All I know as of right now,
LE has no idea who did this - my town still lives in fear.
IMO - if this was a "catfish" incident, wouldn't LE know that by now - a year later?

I’m so sorry your community is still living in fear of this monster. I agree with you that law enforcement has no idea who he is. Is that the general consensus from people you know in the community after the press conference?

 

[Rott Mom]

I’m so sorry your community is still living in fear of this monster. I agree with you that law enforcement has no idea who he is. Is that the general consensus from people you know in the community after the press conference?

To be honest, it was about six months after these beautiful girls were murdered that we in our community
lost hope. There are so many other scenarios that cannot be discussed on WS - and I completely understand that.
By the way, praying for you every day gregjrichards. Hope you're in good health, and thank you for your absolute commitment to Abby and Libby.

 

[cluciano63]

With all of the LE support agencies, any computer link would have been found by now...FBI has people as good as any for this type of search. The press conference made it clear to me that LE is simply ploughing on ahead, still wanting tips, still checking them all out, no closer to perp other than having eliminated all previous tips. Yikes.

 

[kat913]

Ok...so I found that there was a "Gun and Knife show" in Lafayette, IN at the Tippecanoe County Fairgrounds on Sat Feb 4 and 5 2017. Seems the closest sporting goods store is Dick's at Tippecanoe Mall, Laffayette....1.9 miles away from Fairfrounds.

May be coincidence....but what if...

 

[margarita25]

Ok...so I found that there was a "Gun and Knife show" in Lafayette, IN at the Tippecanoe County Fairgrounds on Sat Feb 4 and 5 2017. Seems the closest sporting goods store is Dick's at Tippecanoe Mall, Laffayette....1.9 miles away from Fairfrounds.

May be coincidence....but what if...

I like this post, for many reasons.

Eta: Cross check (in progress, similar nouns)

Qmfr:

Great find, Shire!! Thanks, yes, I had asked about this...lots of potential information here!!!

‘Wheels for Work’ ministry gives riders a second chance
May 23, 2014
http://www.jconline.com/story/life/faith/2014/05/23/indiana-packers-transport-service/9486523/

"lingered near the doors of the Marathon Gas station near the corner of Ferry and Ninth streets. He was waiting for a shuttle to give him a ride to Indiana Packers Corp. in Delphi where he works.

Snip
overnight shelter at Lafayette Urban Ministry
Snip

".... the shuttle, a white van with a large eagle painted on it, will arrive close to 2 p.m. like it always does..."
Snip

"The shuttle service
Wheels for Work
a ministry of Hope Cathedral
church in Lafayette.
help the downtrodden — the homeless or those with criminal records — find employment and keep it.

The shuttle takes job seekers to Indiana Packers during the week to apply for a job. It takes new hires to physicals and orientation. It also transports paid employees as long as they need a ride for a weekly fee of $60.

The shuttle even picks up job seekers from Tippecanoe County Community Corrections."

Snip

"...doing ministry in the Tippecanoe County Jail."

Snip

"Even though the shuttle transports about 30 job applicants a week to the pork production plant, there’s still a need, he said."

When would an outgoing shuttle be? On that day? Those shuttles specifically? What Times? Any chance he could have "ridden it out of there" (and/or in)?

Yeah that plant stinks.

Eta: I would assume this would have been covered, of course.

Who was on every bus going in and out that day?

Motive. Means. Opportunity.

(Sigh of course this possible angle is just something to look at...I still wonder about a vehicle or motorcycle pulled alongside highway in the shubbery....)

And of course truck driver theory.

Sigh.

 

[margarita25]

So, I've got an idea...maybe to help get this thread rolling again after the big disappointment...and since we need to keep sleuthing (No Choice here)...

I'm big on initial posts. First few threads can be hot, imo. Thoughts and instincts are fresh...

How about each person find an old post and bring it forward, you know, bring forward your "cold thought", so to speak.

I'll start.

Gun and gun holster:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...erty-German-14-Delphi&p=13344734#post13344734

(Eta: Wow! Keep scrolling down at the link above and see post #59 by mh. There is a lot of work and thought and heart put into these threads! The stuff we can revisit/come across if we take the time to look back...)

Additionally, I think that is possibly rope sticking out of his jacket. Moo.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...erty-German-14-Delphi&p=13344724#post13344724

 

[margarita25]

"Now, for Libby, Carrie says it’s her job to make sure everyone sees that evidence.

“I need more people to know. I need everybody to know and to see his face and get it out there."

“I won’t stop, ever. Not until he’s caught. I owe that to Libby.”

And so no parent will ever suffer at his hands again.

"I worry about this happening to somebody else. I worry about him getting someone else's child and destroying another family. Please don't let that happen. If you think you know something, turn it in. Even if it’s nothing, it’ll still be checked out. Maybe it will stop another mother from going through what I’ve been through.”

“Nobody needs to go through this.”

Libby German: "The world got short changed"
Libby's mother opens up about life since her death
RAFAEL SANCHEZ, KATIE COX
Feb 14, 2018
https://www.theindychannel.com/longform/libby-german-the-world-got-short-changed