IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[Noway]

The posts above re MP and that he possibly used his connection to TS and her children for child purposes made me wonder about the RSOs in the trailer park and whether MP might have clients for such pictures not too far away.

And as previously mentioned, he has experiencing sending photos with his cell phone.

 

[MBK]

I may have missed it but there was a poster ( sorry new to boards so I have not been able to remember names) that was talking to someone who reported that MP was on the sex offender registry. I know he wrote to her saying he had some personal stuff to deal with and would get back to her when he got more info just wondering if he was able to get around to it yet.

That (fill in the blank) does not appear on the US Dept of Justice National Sex Offender Website: http://www.nsopw.gov/Core/OffenderSearchCriteria.aspx

 

[lauriej]

I may have missed it but there was a poster ( sorry new to boards so I have not been able to remember names) that was talking to someone who reported that MP was on the sex offender registry. I know he wrote to her saying he had some personal stuff to deal with and would get back to her when he got more info just wondering if he was able to get around to it yet.

--the poster you're thinking of is "Patty G"----and no, he hasn't got back to her on that yet, but she continues to follow up on it.

 

[mysteriew]

Welcome to 2012, everyone.

I just want to weigh in on some of the stuff that has come up overnight. Does anyone here know that there was a pron ring, or that TS allowed Ali to be abused? No.

But here is what I do know that causes me to feel that she is not being held fully responsible for her role in her daughter's death.

1.) Grandfather Lemmon's obituary. No matter what she did or didn't know about MP, she had to know that her own father was an RSO. So why does his obituary say that one of his favorite things was spending time with his grandkids? Especially when one of those grandkids was almost of the exact same age as his former victim in the crime that he was convicted of?

2.) Although former abuse by a male does not mean that a child should never be around males again, it would generally cause one to be a little more cautious about the caliber of male that they allowed their children to be around...I certainly wouldn't ban my child from being around all men, but I would do a little checking into the background of the ones she was around, especially if they were to be taking her overnight.

3.) Miscommunication or not, the fact remains that between the time that ALi died, which might have been as much as three days before she was reported, TS obviously did not speak directly with her child...whether she trusted this man or not,it does not change the fact that she had no contact with her child, and apparently was not overly concerned by this.

That said, there are a lot of rumors that are starting to circulate, that I'm not buying into until I get more info. The idea that TS is on meth, while possible, isn't necessarily true, as I know that just general bad health is enough make a person go downhill very fast, especially when un or under insured. I can't assume drugs until I see some official statement or proof of it.

Likewise, I can't assume a ring without some kind of official statement. The situation that Ali was in is all too familiar to me, just from experience, and believe me, it doesn't always, or even usually, involve . Still a possibility, but not the strongest one for me.

ANd yes, a lot of blame does seem to be going to TS, when it should be going to MP, but I think that is because MP has been caught, charged, and isn't going anywhere, and to those that feel like TS should face a penalty for her <unusual> parenting, it feels like only half the battle, and it seems that one of the people responsible is still out and aout, living her life, when Ali will never again have that chance.

Just my thoughts, my reasons for blaming TS, and what I am and am not buying into at this point.

A huge question for me, as it was in the beginning, is who was the outcry witness for Ali's previous molestation? If it was her mother, and TS pursued it immediately, then good on her. If it was someone outside of the home, such as her school, then TS would not have been able to say, "No thanks, we don't want to press charges, we're just going to ignore it and jump state." That point matters to me, because that is what will tell me if TS is really a mother, or if she is just going through the motions when there's someone watching.

All MOO.

I wanted to thank you for this post. Very honest assessent of the situation IMO. I can agree with most of it esp. the question of why no one checked on the kids when they were staying so close to home. If it had been my kids I would have been wondering why they didn't run in and out at least some. And even ill, a phone call could have been made. And the question on who reported the previous abuse is a valid one.

I do have a comment on number one. If TS grew up and was never molested by her father, then she most likely never saw him that way, as a molester. She saw him as a father, someone who protected her and probably saw him as someone who not only would not harm her child but would be protective of her child. Thus she would trust him with her child and would give his advice about her child some thought and trust. She probably knew about the sex abuse charges, but while she may have known intellectually, she may not have made the association with her or her children.

On number 2, as a child who had been molested I know I was more cautious with my DD. Yes she was around males. But the number of males who were ever alone with her was strictly controlled until I felt I had some trust in them. But from what I am seeing and hearing, this guy was trusted. Not just by her, but by her father, her mother, Ali's dad. Everyone around her seems to have trusted this guy. So it wasn't just her. I think he was pretty skilled in how he presented himself.

At this point we all are surmising that he probably sexually abused her before he killed her. And I still think that. But I keep reminding myself that we don't really know yet. He has admitted to having a bad temper. So it is entirely possible that she was killed in a fit of rage for some reason and was never molested at all.

 

[Cubby]

Oh my goodness! LM just sent me a request to play Bingo Bash! Then a K.S. ,who was friend of Tarah's ,sent me a request because I posted on Justice for Aliahna. Says Tarah set her that FB page up because of the move to keep their daughter's in touch.She lives in Hagerstown, Maryland.

Oh my. my immediate reaction was I hope this friends daughter wasn't victimized in any way.

I find it very odd to move several states away so young children can stay in touch with each other. It makes me wonder even more so why TS hadn't developed any of the 'normal' ties with classmates, classmates parents, neighborhood friends and their parents.

I hate 'suspecting' this families every move, but when so many of their moves have been questionable, it is difficult not to.

This families behavior is just, so odd.

JMO

 

[TexasCharm]

I really wish I could find more about MP. He is the only focus right now for the actual crime. I want to know ALL of his history! No one is coming forward yet and there are so little facts.

This. Why don't we know WHO he is? Where are people coming forward that either went to school with him, had some kind of run in with him, or knew him or is related to him?

Is MLP his given name? WHO.IS.HE??

 

[mysteriew]

I may have missed it but there was a poster ( sorry new to boards so I have not been able to remember names) that was talking to someone who reported that MP was on the sex offender registry. I know he wrote to her saying he had some personal stuff to deal with and would get back to her when he got more info just wondering if he was able to get around to it yet.

That turned out to be a mistake. The article linked was about the grandfather, not MP.

 

[yllek]

I agree, except who, including LE would be looking for small little bags? Even if they were suspicious of him having killed her, their minds couldn't (I don't think) have gone to the dismemberment and disposal of individual pieces. UGHHH!!

I agree. While LE may have been suspicious that Ali met with foul play, I don't imagine their suspiciouns initially included dismemberment.

Sadly, moving forward, I do think that early on LE should start considering and keeing an eye out for materials/evidence possibly used in dismemberment when a person goes missing. There should be some training and guidelines for LEOs, imo, just based on what seems to be a growing means of disposal for perps. It's just horrific, but without doing any research, I can come up with many names of recent vicitims who were dismembered: Leiby, Zahra, Laura Ackerson, Lauren Giddings, Pamela Prpich, etc... Dismemberment is nothing new, but it sure does seem to be becoming a more common means of disposing of bodies and attempting to evade detection.

ALL JMO...

 

[Columbo]

If you ask me, Alianah could have USED a dog . . . who would probably have had a much better SENSE about reading character and intent than all the so-called adults surrounding her. (This isn't the place to get into a discussion about the pros and cons of Pitbulls, but I've seen some who were the most loving, smart, eager to learn and behave dogs out there.)

I've seen pictures of Alianha with an adorable German shepherd puppy. I wonder what happened to that dog? Assuming it was hers. They seem like the type who would abandon a dog or other pet when they moved. Or leave it with "trusted friends" :sick:JMO

 

[Jacie Estes]

You would think so, but Ali was small and slender. I have no idea of her mass and how many gallons that would equal. Anyone out there want to do some calculating and come up with a reasoned guess?

I have to pass on that. It is hard enough just trying to get what happened to her out of my head.

 

[redfish]

I may have missed it but there was a poster ( sorry new to boards so I have not been able to remember names) that was talking to someone who reported that MP was on the sex offender registry. I know he wrote to her saying he had some personal stuff to deal with and would get back to her when he got more info just wondering if he was able to get around to it yet.

Hi Ladylub, Happy New Year! The poster was Patty G. she requested further information from the reporter of the article that inferred this. I don't believe he has gotten back to her yet. Bless Patty G. I am impressed with her new years' resolution to hold media's feet to the fire in their reporting! We should all join her in her resolve.

 

[Cubby]

Last updated: December 31, 2011 6:59 p.m.

Face to face with Michael Plumadore

On Christmas Day – before Plumadore had told investigators they could find Aliahna's body parts in his freezer and in the trash bin of a nearby business – I sat down with him in an aging but well-kept mobile home, where Aliahna's deceased grandfather used to live.

"I have a real massive and bad temper, but I've kept it in check because of Ailey," he said, using Aliahna's nickname.

However, he acknowledged losing his cool while investigators were interviewing him.

"When the FBI and stuff like that did an investigation, they tried that good cop, bad cop. They tried to put me in the category of an evil person," he said with his Southern drawl. "I kind of snapped and went off and jumped out my chair and had words."

Plumadore said he eventually calmed down and offered to let investigators sample his DNA and administer a polygraph test. He said he also gave them his cellphone without hesitation.

much more at link

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20111231/LOCAL/111239903

From the above article:

During my time with Plumadore, he gave his version of what happened Dec.&#8194;23. He told the story calmly and, as far as I could tell, consistently. The relatives of Aliahna who were present had no dispute with what he said.


OMG there are no words. So some of Aliahna's relatives were apparently there, in person, with this reporter supporting MP during this interview.

I am sickened. I am horrified. I am speechless.

 

[Cubby]

Well there should have been proof of a crime in the sexting pics.

I keep thinking about that. Don't know/recall if MP admitted he sent those pics/texts, or LE was simply unable to provide enough evidence to prove they were actually sent by MP and not someone else, say another adult who he may have willingly exchanged explicit photo's with. There would really be nothing illegal about two legal age adults sharing photo's.

I realize the above may be a stretch, but it's all I can come up with to explain no criminal charges being filed in the case of MP and the 13 yr old.

jmo

 

[not_my_kids]

My thoughts on the previous 13 year old victim of MP's:

It's possible that the case was referred for criminal investigation and there was not enough for a criminal case.

It's possible that the judge dropped the ball.

It's possible that the 13 year old was coerced into sending MP pictures of herself as well. Under many state laws, even under the condition of coercion, the child herself could also have been charged with distribution of child , leading to the mother feeling that it was in the child's best interests to drop the case.

It's also possible that the child, in a moment of anger or sadness, deleted the photos, or destroyed the phone entirely, leaving them with no evidence of a crime.

These are all just possibilities. Moo. Obviously I don't know what happened.

 

[mysteriew]

Ok this is new to me. Do you know if he was convicted? The article wasn't really clear on that. Was he registered? Was that in Fla. as it appears that he was living in Fla. during at least part of that time period.

I don't know mysteriew but I'll see if I can find out.
imoo

I deleted my post. I humbly apologize. That name and reference is for the grandfather...not the perp.

:blushing: Sorry mysterview.

I may have missed it but there was a poster ( sorry new to boards so I have not been able to remember names) that was talking to someone who reported that MP was on the sex offender registry. I know he wrote to her saying he had some personal stuff to deal with and would get back to her when he got more info just wondering if he was able to get around to it yet.

That turned out to be an error and Billisbobby deleted the post. The article he had linked turned out to be about the grandfather, not MP.

As far as has been determined so far MP was not on any sex offender lists yet.

 

[mysteriew]

From the above article:

During my time with Plumadore, he gave his version of what happened Dec.&#8194;23. He told the story calmly and, as far as I could tell, consistently. The relatives of Aliahna who were present had no dispute with what he said.


OMG there are no words. So some of Aliahna's relatives were apparently there, in person, with this reporter supporting MP during this interview.

I am sickened. I am horrified. I am speechless.

It needs to be noted that that was before his confession.

 

[Cubby]

How many children has he taken to another state in the time it was discovered they were missing? He is evil to the core...
My concern...if there is military people involved, if this is as large as it appears it could be, we may never know about it - I would think the accused will end up dead before secrets are exposed.

The accused as in MP? He is in custody, likely protective custody and seperated from other inmates. I don't know how anyone could get access to him, prior to conviction..... now after conviction, if he doesn't get the DP - I can see someone giving him a Dahmer style exit from this world.

Accused as in TS/AS or someone in the family? I'd think them going missing or finding a dead body would only lead to more suspicion and more unwanted attention to any possible nefarious activity by this entire group.

 

[yllek]

My thoughts on the previous 13 year old victim of MP's:

It's possible that the case was referred for criminal investigation and there was not enough for a criminal case.

It's possible that the judge dropped the ball.

It's possible that the 13 year old was coerced into sending MP pictures of herself as well. Under many state laws, even under the condition of coercion, the child herself could also have been charged with distribution of child , leading to the mother feeling that it was in the child's best interests to drop the case.

It's also possible that the child, in a moment of anger or sadness, deleted the photos, or destroyed the phone entirely, leaving them with no evidence of a crime.

These are all just possibilities. Moo. Obviously I don't know what happened.

All very real possibiities. Also, as was posted upthread, it could simply be that the father of the girl kicked Plumadore out of his residence after the mother filed for the Protection Order. If she had solid evidence that Plumadore would no longer be around when the girl visited her dad (perhaps moved out of state), then she may have felt her mission of protecting her daughter had been accomplished and didn't think further as to how pursuing him criminally may have protected other children. Or, may be she did think about it but still couldn't put her daughter through the ordeal.

IDK. Quite possible there were other cases where Plumadore was inappropriate with a child that were never detected or not reported to authorities at all.

 

[redfish]

From the above article:

During my time with Plumadore, he gave his version of what happened Dec.&#8194;23. He told the story calmly and, as far as I could tell, consistently. The relatives of Aliahna who were present had no dispute with what he said.


OMG there are no words. So some of Aliahna's relatives were apparently there, in person, with this reporter supporting MP during this interview.

I am sickened. I am horrified. I am speechless.

IMO what the family "Knew" about this guy is still unknown. But I really do believe that they had no idea that he would or could MURDER this child. How could they? That is the defense I see in their statements. I don't know what their opinions and practices are regarding sex abuse.... but they never imagined This outcome. NEVER. Most parents aren't like us... super vigilant and suspicious. Lots of reasons why not. From the minute we see the news of a missing child our minds go to all the horrific possibilities we see here every day.

 

[Noway]

I may have missed it but there was a poster ( sorry new to boards so I have not been able to remember names) that was talking to someone who reported that MP was on the sex offender registry. I know he wrote to her saying he had some personal stuff to deal with and would get back to her when he got more info just wondering if he was able to get around to it yet.

THis may have been what started that discussion.

"Sheriff Len Hagaman said that Michael Plumadore was in Watauga and registered as a sex offender on November 29th of 2007 when found by a sex offender check, and found him to be a fugitive from Indiana at that time."

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