IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[Angleena]

Re: 13 Year old v. MP in Iowa case.

According to court documents, the case was dismissed by the District Attorney due to not enough evidence at trial.

I have filed a petition "for relief from domestic violence" twice in Iowa and it was granted both times, without evidence.

Because these cases are civil cases (with possible future criminal charges), the respondent/defendant is given two options during the trial. The first option is to fight the restraining order. If they fight the restraining order and win, obviously there will be no restraining order. If they fight the restraining order and lose, they will be found guilty of domestic violence and charged in accordance with criminal law (meaning they will have more charges levied against them).

Their 2nd option is to agree to the restraining order. Agreeing to the restraining order is like entering a plea of no contest (they are neither admitting to the violence nor are they denying it). They will not be charged in criminal court if they consent but the restraining order will be granted.

I'm going to guess that MP chose to fight the restraining order and considering it was dismissed by the DA and not the judge, the DA was hoping that he would just consent to the restraining order...the evidence most likely was not available for whatever reason.

It is also possible that the phone belonged to the 13yo's mother and that they shared the phone. If MP never addressed anyone specifically in the messages, it would be hard to prove if they were being sent to the 13 yo or the mother.

All of the facts in this case are unknown, but I am not willing to blame the judge as the judge is not the one that dismissed the case, the county prosecutor was the one to dismiss the child's petition.

Sometimes, attorneys just take their chances and file a petition for relief from domestic violence with no evidence at all. Nine times out of the 10, the respondent is going to consent to the restraining order to avoid future prosecution.

 

[TexasCharm]

One would think - as they didn't mention any preceded by names. I do know that Melton goes with Thompson. I'm thinking that the Puckett is a half sibling to Plumadore. I believe there is a picture on FB that could be MP mother. So perhaps she wasn't married to his father?

The age of T Melton would have her 16 or 17 when MP was born. This could be why .. I'm also wondering about adoption ??

Still looking for a connection.

Coincidently, I happened on a sight where L Puckett left a message for someone last year with her phone and email address ... Tempting to just call and ask.

*sigh*

 

[Cubby]

Still not seeing what her not knowing about services for emergency care during a parent's illness has to do with her being the parent of a child who had been previously abused. Frankly, I had no clue such services existed (and they may not in my area). I don't see it as horrible that a parent is not aware that there are emergency care services in the case of illness. I don't know that it would have ever occurred to me (as a parent) that there was such a resource out there.

I've also seen times when clients actually sought out certain types of services and were told that none existed when in fact they did. So while some might not give TS a "pass" for not having this information, I'm not willing to give her a "fail" for not knowing it either.

We'll have to agree to disagree, then. We can do that.

 

[gitana1]

Hi everyone.. I live in Northeastern Indiana (about 30min North of Fort Wayne). And I have to tell you I've been following this forum/thread along (just got approved today) and reporting your findings to my friends I would like to say thank you for all your guys hard work and efforts.

WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I am one of those survivors...nope...I'm a victor. And I absolutely refuse to sit back and watch someone who has not had the blessed resources and mentors in their life that got me through hell and beyond be crucified. And I am speaking from two perspectives here...having been there, done that and having dealt with so so many women in prison and in the homeless shelters who never had anyone help them understand that the muddy, murky, drowning waters of what they went through is not what most people live through.

For anyone on this board who has survived...good for you! But do not judge everyone based on your ability to get through it. You survived because something went right. There are many many people out there who have lived lots of years without that privilege.

Just as there is no evidence to suggest the mother participated in a child ring or is on meth, there is no evidence to suggest she was abused, grew up in dire circumstances or otherwise lacks the ability to discern that a physically and emotionally disabled child of hers, who has already been molested twice, should not be left alone in a trailer for an entire week, with a single man who was very cozy with a pedophile.

Yes, here it is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bysitter-Michael-Plumadore-poses-cameras.html

"Despite the confession, the little girl's grandmother, Amber Story, stood by Plumadore.

'I don't care what anybody says. Mike did nothing to her. He loves those girls,' she told the News-Sentinel."

Those were her exact words before the confession.

BBM

Devil's advocate here

Ahhh but did he really sexually harass the 13 year old? If the judge really thought that he had harassed the child wouldn't you think the judge would have taken some action? But the judge didn't so that puts it in the realm of he said/she said. I believe he harassed the child. But when the judge fails to take action on it, it decreases the believability of the accusation.

Also the girl was 13. There are various types of 13 year olds, but sometimes they are a mixture of acting like a naive 5 year old and a mature 19 year old. If she saw the 13 year old as being more like the 19 yo acting child, she may not have associated that child with her 9 year old or the 6 year olds. In many cases she may have "blamed the victim" and felt that the child egged him on. Legally it didn't matter what the kid did or if she "egged him on" and for many of us there is the belief that he shouldn't have taken advantage of the child no matter what. But in the outside word, many times that will be included in the judgement.

I don't agree with her decisions and choices in regards to her kids, and some maybe I don't think were very bright. But I know I am more leary of trusting strangers or even friends because of my association here and the things I have seen. But I am also aware that outside of this board, I see these same type of thought processes by otherwise good parents. Because they don't see so much bad stuff happening over and over in other cases they find it hard to believe that a trusted friend could harm one of their own.

The judge did not issue a protective order simply because it was the wrong forum. Not because the facts did not merit a protective order. Here's an analogy: Wife wants child support. But she files a motion for spousal support. She cannot get child support with that motion.

In this case, according to the media, the judge told mom she'd have to file something else or go to the police.

Finally, yes, we see tons of parents making horrible, negligent decisions that impact their children's lives. Most of them do not have the foresight that we do. Time for them to be educated. Most of this is common sense. You don't marry a mentally ill man and give him access to your pre-pubescent daughter. You don't let your medically and psychologically vulnerable child live with a single, unrelated man for a week, etc., etc. IMO, shame is a tool that can be used here. Not usually a fan but here I think it may help. Also, serious vilification of the negligence involved is key. It may make other parents think twice. Conversations will be had., If that saves a few kids, I don't give a da^n if it hurts the parents' feelings, frankly.

 

[katydid23]

(HUGS) Im so sorry you went through this. :grouphug: Sorry if my post seemed uncaring.
imoo

Your post didn't seem uncaring. I just want to keep throwing alternate points of view out there, because sometimes things are not black and white.

I have a lot of problems with Ali's mom and what I have seen of her decision making skills. But I am not going to assume she was part of a ring or anything, YET.

 

[TexasCharm]

There are several with the name MP.

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Michael+Plumadore&s1=c

hkhart, are you fairly certain that the MP listed in the geneology page is the MP in this case? TIA

The Shelby / Kings mountain, NC seems to fit.

 

[Noway]

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Michael+Plumadore&s0=c#Redford,+NY:1399615687

Believe this could be Michael L. Pulmadore

Male late 40s? Current address in NY?

 

[hkhart]

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Michael+Plumadore&s0=c#Redford,+NY:1399615687

Believe this could be Michael L. Pulmadore

I don't believe that is the same person. I also came across that name and realized it wasn't him.

One of the more recent articles where the reporter interviewed MP in the trailer made mention of his southern accent - plus the fact that he went to HS in NC leads me to believe that is where he is truly from.

 

[Cubby]

Just as there is no evidence to suggest the mother participated in a child ring or is on meth, there is no evidence to suggest she was abused, grew up in dire circumstances or otherwise lacks the ability to discern that a physically and emotionally disabled child of hers, who has already been molested twice, should not be left alone in a trailer for an entire week, with a single man who was very cozy with a pedophile.

Respectfully snipped.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[jjenny]

Re: 13 Year old v. MP in Iowa case.

According to court documents, the case was dismissed by the District Attorney due to not enough evidence at trial...

No. IT was dismissed by the judge because relationship between the 13 year old and MP didn't meet the criteria for a protective order.

 

[TexasCharm]

Just to be clear... I don't think ANYONE here is giving mom a "pass".

She made poor choices. Horrible choices. She's not the perfect protective mom that we all are (/sarc) , but seriously, just because some of us choose to direct our anger/hatred at the person who killed and mutilated Ali, and are withholding judgement on mom until we have all the facts -- stop accusing us of 'making excuses' for her or 'giving her a pass'. Please.

 

[Angleena]

No. IT was dismissed by the judge because relationship between the 13 year old and MP didn't meet the criteria for a protective order.

No, if you look under the filings, you will see about the dismissal. It says...

DA - Petition Dismissed - Not Enough Evidence at Trial
(Which means, District Attorney - Petition Dismissed due to not enough evidence at trial).
Under that it says "Dismissed per Court" with a line through it, which means it was originally recorded as being dismissed per court (the judge) but that was not the case, so it was stricken (line placed through it).

I am from Iowa and worked in the Iowa legal system for a couple years, I am familiar with the court systems.

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't know what I can link, and what I can't, but a few sites that I looked at have a Micheal L. Lemmon, right age to actually be Plumadore, and in a lot of the same areas where Plumadore has been verified to be.

Just makes me wonder if identity theft wasn't the reason he was so cozy with grandfather Lemmon.

 

[melissasmom]

I agree. however, we are then giving TS a pass for not seeking this information herself.

Different situation, but as a newly single parent. I've been an SP since the stick turned pink, I went into the family court system for child support as blind as a bat and as naive as a baby. However the minute I realized I was uneducated or unaware, it then became MY responsibility to educate MYSELF and not rely on an attorney, or a judge or anyone else to provide me with the information I needed to keep myself informed of my rights and the rights of my child.

So, sorry, no pass for TS not knowing once, but at least twice that her child was abused and pretending it was anyone's responsibility other than TS's to educate herself.


ETA: Once Tarah became aware her child was a victim it was TARAH's responsibility to educate herself no one elses. When are we going to STOP making excuses for those who fail victims OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

Thanks, cubby. This is, really, the main reason I don't think Tarah should be given a "pass" on not "understanding" that it wasn't ok to leave her daughter with MP. Now, I am not sure of what exactly happens when a report is made about sexual abuse, person arrested, convicted, etc. However, I would think, that there is some type of extensive victims services that would happen.
We already know that Aliahna was diagnosed with PTSD as a result of these two incidents of molestation. So at some point, she must have been taken in for some type of mental health services. I would think, that in addition to some type of evaluation which came up with the PTSD diagnosis, that other things would be provided. Counseling for Ali, or other recommendations, some type of counseling for TS, letting her know how to spot the signs of sexual abuse, how to keep her child safe in the future, etc.
So, no, this woman gets no pass from me. She either didn't bother taking advantage of things that would help her and her child (and other children), or she DID get educated about things and chose to disregard what she had learned. To me it's as simple as that. JMO

 

[jjenny]

No, if you look under the filings, you will see about the dismissal. It says...

DA - Petition Dismissed - Not Enough Evidence at Trial
(Which means, District Attorney - Petition Dismissed due to not enough evidence at trial).
Under that it says "Dismissed per Court" with a line through it, which means it was originally recorded as being dismissed per court (the judge) but that was not the case, so it was stricken (line placed through it).

I am from Iowa and worked in the Iowa legal system for a couple years, I am familiar with the court systems.

I don't see anything reported about a DA dismissing it for lack of evidence.
What was reported is the following:
"Plumadore was said to have been “stalking her, sending her explicit sexual text messages and photographs,” according to court documents obtained by the Daily Iowegian. The petition was filed on Nov. 10, 2010 but was later dismissed by Judge Daniel P. Wilson on Nov. 23, 2010 because the request didn't meet the relationship requirements for a protective order."
http://dailyiowegian.com/local/x1477836760/More-Centerville-ties-to-slain-Indiana-girl

 

[Bittiness39]

From the same article everyone has posted/quoted:

He <MP> displayed worry about how long it had been since Aliahna had gone missing. &#8220;Look how many states she could be through already if someone were to took her off somewhere far away or something. I mean, they had a 10-hour window, at least, before we knew she was missing,&#8221; he said.

http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20120101/LOCAL07/301019938

Okay. The 10-hour window comment. First off, this guy knew a little bit more about this stuff...how long it would take to mobilize police, that the first 24 hours are critical. Second, if he is responsible for any past crimes of this nature...then I would look at victims that were maybe left far away from their homes/abduction site. He did the opposite in this case and was postulating that Ali could be several states away. Misdirection. Also, that whole comment gave me the damn chills.

 

[Donjeta]

Just to be clear... I don't think ANYONE here is giving mom a "pass".

She made poor choices. Horrible choices. She's not the perfect protective mom that we all are (/sarc) , but seriously, just because some of us choose to direct our anger/hatred at the person who killed and mutilated Ali, and are withholding judgement on mom until we have all the facts -- stop accusing us of 'making excuses' for her or 'giving her a pass'. Please.

What kind of missing facts are we talking about? What information would we expect to get that could make it OK to leave three vulnerable little girls in the care of a sketchy character who harassed a 13 year old and swims like a fish in a pond of pedophiles?

 

[Ladylub]

I'm fairly certain. Genealogy is a hobby of mine. Plumadore isn't a common name and so when I was backtracking, I came across the obit. Upon further sleuthing, one of the grandchildren listed in obit has a fb page with some pictures of their own daughter. On several of the pictures a "KK" who has been mentioned here posts some comments. All 3 relatives are there and what I believe could be MP mother.

That said - as far as I can see, no one has made any reference to the killing or being related, etc. They appear to be of a higher class than some of the other players in the case. JMHO however.

Might have missed a person with all these names the KK that you are talking about here is that the same KK that abused Aliahna in Iowa or another KK.

 

[Sparklin]

I'm fairly certain. Genealogy is a hobby of mine. Plumadore isn't a common name and so when I was backtracking, I came across the obit. Upon further sleuthing, one of the grandchildren listed in obit has a fb page with some pictures of their own daughter. On several of the pictures a "KK" who has been mentioned here posts some comments. All 3 relatives are there and what I believe could be MP mother.

That said - as far as I can see, no one has made any reference to the killing or being related, etc. They appear to be of a higher class than some of the other players in the case. JMHO however.

bbm - and yet it doesn't appear that they are on each others friends list??!!:waitasec:

 

[Sparklin]

Might have missed a person with all these names the KK that you are talking about here is that the same KK that abused Aliahna in Iowa or another KK.

The sister of abuser and once step mom to Ali