IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 - #2

[Dushi]

Police have said there is "nothing" to imply sexual assault yet that is being ignored by everyone BUT me it seems...

anyway the EVIDENCE that police are going toward a Planned Crime is as follows

1. no sign of forced entry
2. DB appearance on Crime Watch "Amanda had no Enemies" = police have ASKED him if she has any = not Random
3. This is being called a Murder not a Bungled Burglary or a Home Invasion or a Sexual Assault Murder
4. no mention of missing valuables by either police or DB - such as jewelry which may be passed on
5. the stance and direction of the perp in the still. It screams Intent. Burglars bring bags also to take the valuables and hide the breakin tools, where's his bag?



I work on Evidence and everything I post is my opinion

Same as everyone else

If one is to believe this quote from LE, I don't think they believe its planned as a murder




“Our detectives believe this was a robbery likely to have gone foul,” said Indianapolis Metro Police Sgt. Kendale Adams.

http://myfox8.com/2015/11/20/police-...ped-by-killer/

 

[SapphireSteel]

Taking out drywall?
Blood splatter?

I agree, why did they have to go back a second time, why wasn't everything processed the first time?

Looking for something so innocuous they didn't realize what it was until someone told them...?

The gunshot hid what really killed her, a blow? The weapon sitting innocently as an ornament?

 

[CrazytownUSA]

2. DB appearance on Crime Watch "Amanda had no Enemies" = police have ASKED him if she has any = not Random

This is a pretty common question investigators ask when someone has been murdered. You can't automatically assume it was a planned attack simply because LE asks her husband if she had any enemies. I'd be concerned if they DIDN'T ask that questions since it's one of the first you would ask in a murder investigation.

 

[SapphireSteel]

If one is to believe this quote from LE, I don't think they believe its planned as a murder




“Our detectives believe this was a robbery likely to have gone foul,” said Indianapolis Metro Police Sgt. Kendale Adams.

http://myfox8.com/2015/11/20/police-...ped-by-killer/

That takes us into a whole other territory

Ive stated my evidence which as you'll note only partially relies on Police Statements

What police say publicly may/may not be a ruse

The reason I can tell the difference = experience

I am trying to find a site that has all the police statements on it in full the better to analyse, can anyone help?

TIA

 

[SapphireSteel]

You're correct. So, if it's your opinion, kindly say so like the rest of us. Thanks!

Its in my signature (see orange below)

 

[SapphireSteel]

This is a pretty common question investigators ask when someone has been murdered. You can't automatically assume it was a planned attack simply because LE asks her husband if she had any enemies. I'd be concerned if they DIDN'T ask that questions since it's one of the first you would ask in a murder investigation.

What I said was

Its the first thing DB said to US the People on GMA


which means

It is the first thing he had to tell us

He was essentially answering a question that the world had not asked him

and it was important he answer it

That is what is considered evidence...circumstantial but evidence never the less, Statement Analysis

Its the Very First Thing He Said = It was the Very First Thing on his mind when asked.

**********IMO****************

take it or leave it

cheers

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rotecting-one-year-old-son-home-intruder.html

Third picture down, looks like a black SUV is parked in the driveway.
Good thing the license plate is visible because they are probably almost as popular as little white trucks.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Apologies in advance, SapphireSteel, feel free to scroll and roll.

Response from Fox59 reporter responding to tweeter questioning their sexual assault story:

@ That article was updated at 4:41 p.m. and officially they will say that, but we would never report that type of info.
7:09pm - 19 Nov 15

@ unless we had verified sources we trust. Plus. 3 stations out of the 4 in Indpls are all reporting that and have different....
7:11pm - 19 Nov 15

@ sources. We take this very seriously and realize the impact that can have. Thank you for reaching out.
7:12pm - 19 Nov 15

 

[TTF14]

Its in my signature (see orange below)

Sorry, but not enough when you post it in a way that implies fact, which is pretty much everything you post. I know the rest of us don't have your "experience" but please be more clear when something is indeed your opinion, and not fact, for us feeble-minded sleuthers who can't read your experienced mind. Thanks!

 

[SapphireSteel]

It is being reported confirmed sexual assault? I posted it a couple pages back.

http://myfox8.com/2015/11/20/police-say-pastors-wife-killed-in-home-invasion-was-raped-by-killer/

edited to ad link

Lol the "source" quoted in that article is that other news channel who printed the Original Sexual Assault "source" article....

Basically they've copied another paper without fact checking

 

[pappa rob]

Its in my signature (see orange below)

Some people have the signature portion turned off, so they can't tell. I know I do. a simple I think always get the job done. MOO

 

[MJPeony]

The police spokesperson has stated that. But there have been various other reports and while no, we may not have a source for that information yet, it's still not 100% ruled out. They still have DNA out, we don't know how far they have gotten in any of their processes, or if there is information they are withholding for specific reasons. We don't know if there was or wasn't a sexual assault at this time. The police spokesperson walked fine eggshells when making that statement.

Now THIS makes sense to me. The wording of Riddle correcting the early "rumor" of her assault (and darn it, I can't find his quote now- it's back somewhere in the pages here). Makes sense in that the DNA evidence hasn't come back yet as to WHOSE dna was there (in a sexual DNA sense). B/c perhaps it was just DB's in which case that would not be unusual to find that. So LE is waiting to confirm if there is a 3rd party sexual DNA that would make them definitely say, "Yes, this murder was preceded by a 3rd party assaulting her sexually"

However, what also makes sense with what Crazytown says (to me) is that, as has been mentioned Riddle choosing between words "assault" and "abuse". I have a theory on that as well, as to how it might pertain to waiting for the DNA...

 

[bluesneakers]

Taking out drywall?
Blood splatter?

I agree, why did they have to go back a second time, why wasn't everything processed the first time?

I think you're right. I found an excerpt from the book Practical Aspects of Rape Investigation: A Multidisciplinary Approach. It says drywall can absorb blood and much of it will collect below the surface. Scraping it will only remove the surface-level substance and trying to swab it cause more to be absorbed. So it's best to cut it out and send the whole thing to the lab.

 

[liltexans]

Now THIS makes sense to me. The wording of Riddle correcting the early "rumor" of her assault (and darn it, I can't find his quote now- it's back somewhere in the pages here). Makes sense in that the DNA evidence hasn't come back yet as to WHOSE dna was there (in a sexual DNA sense). B/c perhaps it was just DB's in which case that would not be unusual to find that. So LE is waiting to confirm if there is a 3rd party sexual DNA that would make them definitely say, "Yes, this murder was preceded by a 3rd party assaulting her sexually"

However, what also makes sense with what Crazytown says (to me) is that, as has been mentioned Riddle choosing between words "assault" and "abuse". I have a theory on that as well, as to how it might pertain to waiting for the DNA...

I noticed that Riddle used the word "abuse" not "assault" as well, but I don't have a theory as to why he did that. What is your theory?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Apologies in advance, SapphireSteel, feel free to scroll and roll.

Response from Fox59 reporter responding to tweeter questioning their sexual assault story:

@ That article was updated at 4:41 p.m. and officially they will say that, but we would never report that type of info.
7:09pm - 19 Nov 15

@ unless we had verified sources we trust. Plus. 3 stations out of the 4 in Indpls are all reporting that and have different....
7:11pm - 19 Nov 15

@ sources. We take this very seriously and realize the impact that can have. Thank you for reaching out.
7:12pm - 19 Nov 15

All they are doing is reporting what a "source" claimed.

I wouldn't harp on this but Riddle has come right out and stated "nothing says SA at this stage"

maybe they would hide it I don't know

maybe im biased because it doesn't fit my personal view of this crime

or maybe its because it was such a weird time for any burglar to think to himself "welp, imma skip those houses and just go get me a pretty lady" after wandering and driving about for most of the morning yet only burgling one

Maybe I see this crime as planned

Maybe I cant understand why others don't see this.

Weve had no efits, no pics of the suv even

We've had media actually inventing "suspects" who now have been arrested on outstanding warrants and/or released without charge entirely

I don't see anything here that makes me think "yup, random" including the still from the footage - that dude appears to be hiding his face from a camera HE KNOWS ABOUT....!!

Or at least, suspects is running.

No self respecting crook I know would purposely enter a cul de sac because they are hard to escape from

Its easy to be trapped in one

People tend to be closely neighboured and watch each others places, they recognize strange cars etc

I have a personal experience with police and cul de sacs, having lived in one and had a car theif hide in my backyard (couldn't happen to anyone else)

The police purposely chased the thieves into our cul de sac because they knew there was no escape

and there wasn't...took hours but they caught em all.

So I have personal bias in there and I completely understand if everyone thinks I assume to much, but its Educated Assumption.


************IMO

 

[LINEViBE]

WTHR throwing Jalen Watson in the spotlight as primary suspect. MHO is that Jalen was up at the 5700 block of San Clemente at time when Amanda was murdered.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30571104/...nterest-speaks-up-about-amanda-blackburn-case

 

[MJPeony]

I noticed that Riddle used the word "abuse" not "assault" as well, but I don't have a theory as to why he did that. What is your theory?

In my mind, "abuse" connotes something longer term, or repeatedly. So perhaps they aren't able to conclude yet the timeline of whether it happened more than once. Perhaps it was repeated during the timeframe the perpetrator was in the house?

Perhaps I am also over-analyzing the word "abuse" vs. "assault" It's certainly possible Riddle thinks of them interchangeable. Sometimes it's easy to read into words that the person saying them didn't give a second thought.

 

[MaxManning]

I think anyone assuming that any criminal is obviously smart enough to not make mistakes or do dumb things such as target a house on a cul de sac , is potentially assuming too much.

I think it's plausible for a robbery to occur on a cul de sac. We don't know the age of the potential burglar, but based on height, it's plausible to suggest maybe it's a teen.

You don't have to try and convince me that teens often don't think they will be caught and/or not think things through fully before acting. Inexperience can make such things very plausible. A teen might just try to use that atm card and take that risk that a seasoned criminal might know very well is a big mistake -- maybe even gone to jail himself for being dumb his first few times out.

So, just my own opinion based on it all, but I do believe we have an inexperienced criminal or possibly dumb criminal at work. Yes, I think it's possibly this is late teen early 20's. I make that assumption based on clothing and size. Totally could be wrong obviously, but if I had to make a guess to go with, that'd be it.

So in making that speculation, I have to be willing to accept this is an inexperienced burglar and so dumb things they do might just be that, and not indicating a plan that is more elaborate. ie plot to kill.

all opinion, but I'd say plausible at the same time if you are willing to entertain the theory.

 

[SapphireSteel]

In my mind, "abuse" connotes something longer term, or repeatedly. So perhaps they aren't able to conclude yet the timeline of whether it happened more than once. Perhaps it was repeated during the timeframe the perpetrator was in the house?

Perhaps I am also over-analyzing the word "abuse" vs. "assault" It's certainly possible Riddle thinks of them interchangeable. Sometimes it's easy to read into words that the person saying them didn't give a second thought.

This I have to disagree with.

Police have trained media specialists. They choose every word with care.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

In my mind, "abuse" connotes something longer term, or repeatedly. So perhaps they aren't able to conclude yet the timeline of whether it happened more than once. Perhaps it was repeated during the timeframe the perpetrator was in the house?

Perhaps I am also over-analyzing the word "abuse" vs. "assault" It's certainly possible Riddle thinks of them interchangeable. Sometimes it's easy to read into words that the person saying them didn't give a second thought.

You're not alone, the word "abuse" seems misplaced to me as well.
Rape or assault fits better when the perp is random.