IN - Amanda Blackburn, 28, pregnant, murdered, Indianapolis, 10 Nov 2015 - #2

[LINEViBE]

Seems like a lot of people are really hoping for a conclusion to this story that involves some domestic drama or made-for-tv-movie twist. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid we're going to find that there was no reason for this crime. It was just bad luck and wrong place wrong time. Evil exists. I hope that if everything I love in the world is snuffed out by an animal, that I would have 1/100th of the faith and patience that is being shown by the living victim here. Walking the walk indeed.


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Evil certainly does exist. Your "bad luck" and "wrong place at wrong time" remarks are concerning. Amanda was brutally murdered inside her home very early in the morning. Wrong place at wrong time? Where else should she have been at 5:30a?

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

Evil certainly does exist. Your "bad luck" and "wrong place at wrong time" remarks are concerning. Amanda was brutally murdered inside her home very early in the morning. Wrong place at wrong time? Where else should she have been at 5:30a?

I left just enough straw in that post for several men to be constructed apparently. Obviously she is supposed to be safe in her own home. Horrible events transpired indiscriminate of that. Random and evil. The definition of bad luck.


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[pappa rob]

BBM According to this report she was 12 weeks pregnant, so not obviously pregnant.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/12/us/pregnant-wife-young-pastor-killed-indianapolis/

"The victim was 12 weeks pregnant, according to CNN affiliate WXIN."

According to the law in Indiana it doesn't make a difference if the killer knew or not, it's still considered feticide.

 

[MaxManning]

Forensic investigators are using items collected inside the scene of Blackburn’s home. Those close to investigation say Blackburn was shot three times: once in the hand, torso and head. - per WISHTV

I wonder if the killer shot her in the left hand (wedding ring hand). Shooting the torso makes me feel like that bullet could've been intended for the unborn child. The execution-style shot to the head was obviously intended to kill the wife/mother. Such a sick and sadistic "process" for the killer(s) to go through.

I was writing my post before you posted this, and it does answer one of my questions regarding how many shots and where.

However, I think it's possibly indicative of a struggle or surprise. Knowing the order of the shots would be helpful in supporting that theory. I know it's a longshot, but I think knowing if this was indeed the blackburn's gun, might be exactly why they are able to rule davey out 100%. If the gun was loaded by amanda and remaining bullets in the gun had only her prints, that would fit the scenario of a home invasion, a surprise, and a struggle. Having her DNA on the gun along with the intruder's would also solidify that scenario. Also explains the time between davey leaving and the gunshots.

If the intruder came in WITHOUT a gun, that means he was not there to murder. right ? At least not in the scenario that you have floated as "execution style"

 

[heartgoesout]

Maybe the DNA they have is the perps blood.

 

[La Louve]

New member here, and I have been following this case from the beginning.

I have lots of questions as there seems to be alot of conflicting and incomplete reporting which makes it a bit frustrating to follow.

1) Maybe someone has insinuated on this site or another, but I've not seen confirmed. Was the stolen silver sebring car ever seen by eyewitness or cctv on the blackburn's street ?

2) what exactly eyewitnesses actually saw and at one time. I have seen eyewitnesses mentioned, in regards to the person in the hoodie we see in the photos near the blackburn residence. Is it their statements that led to the "suede" detail in regards to clothing? It doesn't seem to be something that is discernible via the horrible photos we see. Also, when exactly was this person seen by an eyewitness ?

I want to say that I even saw on this thread that someone mentioned an eyewitness saw the individual near the door of the blackburn residence.

3) how many gunshots were heard ? I could of sworn I saw one report that said there was multiple gunshot wounds - arm, abdomen, and head. If so, is there any information on how much time was between each shot ?

4) Has anyone seen any information regarding the images from the ATM? do they exist ? I understand that he/they could have ditched the atm card and someone else tried it out etc. But worth knowing if that indeed was the case or if the hooded individual matches the surveillance video from near the residence.

5) I also read a news report that said they were monitoring the financial records of the blackburns. I am assuming this is in relation to that ATM card and other cards that might have been stolen. If so, that seems to solidify a robbery occurred. I've seen some mention that the potential of sexual assault might make the primary motive the sexual assault and maybe the robbery opportunistic after the fact. Is it possible that they are just awaiting the results of a rape kit ? What is the turnaround time on making that determination ? Is it something that would be quickly diagnosed ?

6) Was Amanda awake and out of bed before davey left ? I can't seem to see any definite confirmation of that. Was just trying to get a feel for how long this guy might have been in the house before he realized she was there. It would explain the long delay between davey leaving and when the gunshots by the intruder are heard.

7) I've seen on social media that Davey had a gun. Is it possible that Amanda used that gun and maybe was overpowered ? Reason I ask is that we seemed to have one officer say it possibly had significance and I thought I saw another where it was said to have no relation. I could see one reason to not release this information as it would lead people to think Davey was involved. But it also may very well be the very reason they have 100% ruled him out, as fingerprints or dna of some sort on the gun that is not davey's/amandas, would solidify in their minds that he was not the gunman. I didn't bring this up to debate davey - but rather to float the idea that it is potentially the source of the DNA. If you are an intruder and surprised and there is a struggle in which you kill someone with their gun, you clearly aren't prepared for that situation and maybe you even just drop the gun and get out of there. If murdering someone was not on your agenda, you just might panic and bolt without that gun. -- just a thought, as I think it's maybe unlikely that amanda would even be able to load the gun etc. but seemed so odd that the initial report about the gun had the Police Lt saying rather definitively not tied to the case. That's puzzling to me, if you seemed to not have even tested or evaluated that possibility. Would seem to be obvious to say "we are investigating that right now". Also would explain the delay between davey leaving and the gunshots, if she was aware of the intruder and got to the gun and loaded it. -- that might also be a valuable piece of evidence if the bullets had only amanda's prints on them, meaning she loaded the gun.


I know that's a really out there suggestion, but if you think about it... kind of plausible if a)amanda knew how to use the gun b) gun was in a location she could reach before intruder detected her


It's such a horrible tragedy and I do hope they catch the murderer(s). I'm thankful to have an extremely barky dog who trusts no one, and likely would attack an intruder.

Sorry for not looking for direct quotes in this huge thread. For some reason the advanced search isn't working for me (maybe because I don't have those priviliges yet ?)

good post and good questions.

:wagon:

 

[pappa rob]

New member here, and I have been following this case from the beginning.

I have lots of questions as there seems to be alot of conflicting and incomplete reporting which makes it a bit frustrating to follow.

1) Maybe someone has insinuated on this site or another, but I've not seen confirmed. Was the stolen silver sebring car ever seen by eyewitness or cctv on the blackburn's street ?

2) what exactly eyewitnesses actually saw and at one time. I have seen eyewitnesses mentioned, in regards to the person in the hoodie we see in the photos near the blackburn residence. Is it their statements that led to the "suede" detail in regards to clothing? It doesn't seem to be something that is discernible via the horrible photos we see. Also, when exactly was this person seen by an eyewitness ?

I want to say that I even saw on this thread that someone mentioned an eyewitness saw the individual near the door of the blackburn residence.

3) how many gunshots were heard ? I could of sworn I saw one report that said there was multiple gunshot wounds - arm, abdomen, and head. If so, is there any information on how much time was between each shot ?

4) Has anyone seen any information regarding the images from the ATM? do they exist ? I understand that he/they could have ditched the atm card and someone else tried it out etc. But worth knowing if that indeed was the case or if the hooded individual matches the surveillance video from near the residence.

5) I also read a news report that said they were monitoring the financial records of the blackburns. I am assuming this is in relation to that ATM card and other cards that might have been stolen. If so, that seems to solidify a robbery occurred. I've seen some mention that the potential of sexual assault might make the primary motive the sexual assault and maybe the robbery opportunistic after the fact. Is it possible that they are just awaiting the results of a rape kit ? What is the turnaround time on making that determination ? Is it something that would be quickly diagnosed ?

6) Was Amanda awake and out of bed before davey left ? I can't seem to see any definite confirmation of that. Was just trying to get a feel for how long this guy might have been in the house before he realized she was there. It would explain the long delay between davey leaving and when the gunshots by the intruder are heard.

7) I've seen on social media that Davey had a gun. Is it possible that Amanda used that gun and maybe was overpowered ? Reason I ask is that we seemed to have one officer say it possibly had significance and I thought I saw another where it was said to have no relation. I could see one reason to not release this information as it would lead people to think Davey was involved. But it also may very well be the very reason they have 100% ruled him out, as fingerprints or dna of some sort on the gun that is not davey's/amandas, would solidify in their minds that he was not the gunman. I didn't bring this up to debate davey - but rather to float the idea that it is potentially the source of the DNA. If you are an intruder and surprised and there is a struggle in which you kill someone with their gun, you clearly aren't prepared for that situation and maybe you even just drop the gun and get out of there. If murdering someone was not on your agenda, you just might panic and bolt without that gun. -- just a thought, as I think it's maybe unlikely that amanda would even be able to load the gun etc. but seemed so odd that the initial report about the gun had the Police Lt saying rather definitively not tied to the case. That's puzzling to me, if you seemed to not have even tested or evaluated that possibility. Would seem to be obvious to say "we are investigating that right now". Also would explain the delay between davey leaving and the gunshots, if she was aware of the intruder and got to the gun and loaded it. -- that might also be a valuable piece of evidence if the bullets had only amanda's prints on them, meaning she loaded the gun.


I know that's a really out there suggestion, but if you think about it... kind of plausible if a)amanda knew how to use the gun b) gun was in a location she could reach before intruder detected her


It's such a horrible tragedy and I do hope they catch the murderer(s). I'm thankful to have an extremely barky dog who trusts no one, and likely would attack an intruder.

Sorry for not looking for direct quotes in this huge thread. For some reason the advanced search isn't working for me (maybe because I don't have those priviliges yet ?)

Welcome to the group, great post as for the questions most of the answers are still up far grabs.
I think that a photo of one of the perps was taken on the stoop. Someone tried to use the ATM card, but don't have a clue if that was the killer.
We don't discuss what we see on social media unless it's a news, police, or an official Find whomever page.
As for DNA only LE knows what's going on.

 

[LINEViBE]

I was writing my post before you posted this, and it does answer one of my questions regarding how many shots and where.

However, I think it's possibly indicative of a struggle or surprise. Knowing the order of the shots would be helpful in supporting that theory. I know it's a longshot, but I think knowing if this was indeed the blackburn's gun, might be exactly why they are able to rule davey out 100%. If the gun was loaded by amanda and remaining bullets in the gun had only her prints, that would fit the scenario of a home invasion, a surprise, and a struggle. Having her DNA on the gun along with the intruder's would also solidify that scenario. Also explains the time between davey leaving and the gunshots.

If the intruder came in WITHOUT a gun, that means he was not there to murder. right ? At least not in the scenario that you have floated as "execution style"

I see your angle. However, the execution-style gunshot wound to the head indicates that the shooter intended to kill Amanda once he/she gained possession of the firearm.

 

[MaxManning]

Welcome to the group, great post as for the questions most of the answers are still up far grabs.
I think that a photo of one of the perps was taken on the stoop. Someone tried to use the ATM card, but don't have a clue if that was the killer.
We don't discuss what we see on social media unless it's a news, police, or an official Find whomever page.
As for DNA only LE knows what's going on.

Ok, so i guess the gun is off limits to discuss ? I kind of think davey posting his gun on twitter is relevant, in terms of "sleuthing". I would actually trust that more than the police and media at the moment!

but if that's the rules, I apologize, was not intentional to break them.

 

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[clearskies1]

I don't think Amanda's murder was random.

JMO.

 

[heartgoesout]

I think the point is that it was a random crime, and tragically, circumstances were such that her murder resulted.

To be fair, with no one arrested, and the facts of the case still coming out, I think it is premature to say without noting it is your opinion, that this was a random crime.

 

[Sulamith]

Ok, so i guess the gun is off limits to discuss ? I kind of think davey posting his gun on twitter is relevant, in terms of "sleuthing". I would actually trust that more than the police and media at the moment!

but if that's the rules, I apologize, was not intentional to break them.

Welcome to WS! IMO some of us are going to have to wait for an arrest(s) or an indictment(s) and trial(s) before there will be a sleuthy discussion. Even when/if LE makes an arrest(s) it is innocent until proven guilty, so I suppose, limited discussion until then. IDK?

 

[clearskies1]

To be fair, with no one arrested, and the facts of the case still coming out, I think it is premature to say without noting it is your opinion, that this was a random crime.

Very well said.

 

[Hippiemomof5]

BBM Amanda Blackburn was in her home when she was murdered so I don't share your opinion that she was "the wrong place wrong time". MOO

If the same people connected to Amanda's murder are the ones seen in the security footage across town the following day, she was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. The killers robbed that house while they slept and no one was hurt. I think Amanda woke up and "got in the way" of a robbery. The evil ones in the story here don't care that it's her own home. Liquor store, mini mart, bank, your house... If they think they're getting caught, they're going to do something about it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

:gaah:

:banghead:

ullhair:

:silenced:

:moo:

 

[Hippiemomof5]

Ok, so i guess the gun is off limits to discuss ? I kind of think davey posting his gun on twitter is relevant, in terms of "sleuthing". I would actually trust that more than the police and media at the moment!

but if that's the rules, I apologize, was not intentional to break them.

I don't know if it's off limits, I apologize if so.

I'm going to guess that Davey Blackburn's gun isn't involved in the crime at all. I would think that if it was involved, they wouldn't have been so quick to clear him. Not because it would make him guilty, but I'd think they'd have a lot more questioning to do if a gun from the house had been used.

 

[LINEViBE]

If the same people connected to Amanda's murder are the ones seen in the security footage across town the following day, she was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. The killers robbed that house while they slept and no one was hurt. I think Amanda woke up and "got in the way" of a robbery. The evil ones in the story here don't care that it's her own home. Liquor store, mini mart, bank, your house... If they think they're getting caught, they're going to do something about it.

Murdering a pregnant mother and her unborn child is probably the absolute last thing the perp(s) should've done if they were trying to avoid "getting caught". :gaah:

 

[bessie]

I must have been really distracted this morning. I didn't realize that the apartment complex where the search warrant was served is part of the same residential community where the other break in occurred on the morning of November 10, the one with the surveillance video of the guys in hoodies. (And it definitely was November 10. I checked the crime map. Same day, same time that the burglary took place two doors down from the Blackburns.)

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Surveillance photos show burglars breaking into northeast side home

Posted 7:06 PM, November 11, 2015

According to police, several suspects broke into a home in the 5700 block of San Clemente Drive around 5:30 Tuesday morning while the residents slept.

[...]

Police say there have been six break-ins at Cottages of Fall Creek Apartments within the month.

http://fox59.com/2015/11/11/surveillance-photos-show-burglars-breaking-into-northeast-side-home-2/

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Police serve search warrant at northeast Indianapolis apartment
Posted: Nov 19, 2015 6:24 PM CST
Updated: Nov 19, 2015 9:16 PM CST

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The search happened at an apartment on Brendon Way Drive off E. 56th Street Thursday evening.

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It's not clear what evidence police seized and exactly what led them from the Blackburns' west side house to the apartment complex near I-465.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30564314/police-serve-search-warrant-at-northeast-indianapolis-apartment

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http://maps.indy.gov/MapIndy/Index.html?theme=crimeviewer


https://www.google.com/maps/dir/580...a119ecf9a8615e!2m2!1d-86.0523228!2d39.8563768

 

[LINEViBE]

I must have been really distracted this morning. I didn't realize that the apartment complex where the search warrant was served last night is part of the same residential community where the other break in occurred on the morning of November 10, the one with the surveillance video of the guys in hoodies. (And it definitely was November 10. I checked the crime map. Same day, same time that the burglary took place two doors down from the Blackburns.)

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Surveillance photos show burglars breaking into northeast side home

Posted 7:06 PM, November 11, 2015

According to police, several suspects broke into a home in the 5700 block of San Clemente Drive around 5:30 Tuesday morning while the residents slept.

[...]

Police say there have been six break-ins at Cottages of Fall Creek Apartments within the month.

http://fox59.com/2015/11/11/surveillance-photos-show-burglars-breaking-into-northeast-side-home-2/

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Police serve search warrant at northeast Indianapolis apartment
Posted: Nov 19, 2015 6:24 PM CST
Updated: Nov 19, 2015 9:16 PM CST

[...]
The search happened at an apartment on Brendon Way Drive off E. 56th Street Thursday evening.

[...]
It's not clear what evidence police seized and exactly what led them from the Blackburns' west side house to the apartment complex near I-465.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30564314/police-serve-search-warrant-at-northeast-indianapolis-apartment

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http://maps.indy.gov/MapIndy/Index.html?theme=crimeviewer

Yes, after I saw the stills of the perps inside the 5700 block residence, I immediately thought those were the suspects in custody tonight. Great catch on your part!