IN IN - Amiah Robertson, 8 months, Indianapolis, 15 Mar 2019 #2

[ilovechili]

Jumping off this, I’m wondering why there was no contact between the 9th and the whatever date. Was this normal?

Can we plug in any other dates for the week of the ninth. That seems to also be a mystery here.

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Eta:

I think about all the places she could be from a recovery aspect. After the Watts case you never really know right?

Anyway my point is I think about how little she would be...makes things different in ways when considering a full size adult body...needle in a haystack.

Right now, imo, she could be anywhere.

These include off the top of my head:
1 concrete (perp’s occupation)
2 water (searches and evidence recovered if not a red herring)
3 fire (possibly unrelated but the proximity and timeline requires a deeper look, moo
4 Trash / incinerator
5 ?

Amiah could be anywhere right now.

The question is if she is close or far.

Hard to tell bc I can pull references from both sides as far as fathers and the distances of the disposals.

Again, sorry to sound like a broken record jere:

Malik: 40 to 60 miles
Noelani: 250 miles (iirc)
Cont

Vs

Less than half a mile:

Baby king
Sherin Matthews
C)

Looking at male suspects and distances.


It’s 50/50 here.

Maybe she’s close to his drug dealer.

I recall LE and Tes in TM’s case:

LE made a mistake saying that Terrilynne took a certain turn in a certain direction per traffic light footage. Which turned out to not be true. But TES did their search of the waters on an area based on that—

Tim Miller said iirc “off an inch, toy might as well be off a mile”

Eta/ source/ must read:
Red-light camera footage, key decisions complicated search for Terrilynn Monette

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If we asked amber today when the last time she her baby was, what would she say?

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Flashbacks of Lucas.

I am extremely concerned here because as you stated in another post, the size of a less than year old baby is not like trying to find an adult body or like disposing of an adult body unnoticed and many of those are not found. Then there is the passage of time here before this baby was ever reported missing.

If it was RL, I do not see the same scenario as Noelani's father likely imo. That man had a woman "friend" fly in from Vegas to rent a car and help him cover his tracks. He had decent transportation (under the name of someone from out of town) and they had money for gas, hotels, drugs and booze and money to cover running to different states and cities.

RL has none of that that we are aware of. If she was handed to someone else, she could be long out of the area but if he disposed of her (I hate saying that), it is somewhere nearby or within an hour tops, and I think far closer, just my guess anyhow. I guess there is always the possibility he has friends or relatives in rural areas, I just think it more unlikely he left the city at all...

The sad part is that I believe the likely means of disposal at this late date may well result in her never being found and I hate that thought. Short of someone else's knowledge and coming forward, video cam recording of say a dumpster, etc. (and even then the longer the time, the more likely any of that is gone or covered up), etc. And that is if one even has a clue about where or which one of a million to look for footage at this late date.

The size of a baby versus an adult makes it simpler to be carrying a box, pulling a small suitcase into an apartment building, even a large tote bag or backpack walking down the street, a car seat/carrier covered with a light blanket, add in your own noun here, with no one ever looking twice at you nor thinking anything of it. Daylight or darkness? Well he was gone until ten on the 9th right? Plenty dark by then in that month. I am trying not to be a negative nellie but everything in this case is frustrating with no real positives to date. Other than RL named as a suspect.

I find it impossible to understand "losing" track of a child who is not ambulatory but the disposal of a baby's body is another thing. They may not all be involved or have knowledge but fair or not, right now, just about every player in this case I cannot stand to even listen to with their conflicting stories and knowing they did not come forward sooner...

I think LE as always has more than we know. If in a week or two she is not found, I think they will look at deciding whether to charge with what they have or at least charge with obstruction and/or kidnapping. In the meantime, they are hoping to find her and find answers while he is free... I do believe something is possibly going on behind the scenes as he was released with no explanation--I hope whatever it is works...

Sorry for the less than happy post

Just my own thoughts and speculation. And I guess just a needed vent on behalf of Amiah...

 

[ilovechili]

And now we're watching news of a turkey on the road. No Amiah.

Johnny, I so agree. I do not think I realized until a case close to where I grew up that such coverage is not regular as I had seen stories of missing children/people but not looked for updates on them every day as I did on that one. Once there was a case where I did, I could not believe that at least on the local news there was not something on if not every day or at least every other or so or even weekly while time was of the essence and the person missing. People also wondered about lack of searches and lack of LE updates on their sites. I thought, wow, wow, why is this so quiet... Have they forgotten about it?

Since then, I have followed many and sadly realize it is always that way or seems to be. The same questions are asked and the same frustrations aired on here and elsewhere. We are not even family but care, get invested and know the clock is ticking. I cannot imagine what it is like for the families.

I do not think it is just LE, media just is not going to use any airtime to say we have nothing new, but will show a turkey as you say and fill airtime, what's up with that? They could go investigate or get interviews as they used to do but that seems to not go on either much anymore. And that can go both ways--it can hinder or help.

jmo and it frustrates me as well. This entire case does

 

[ilovechili]

Agreed.... but someone should be digging as deep locally as people on a website here are.

Someone should be screaming in front of a camera asking where in the hell is baby Amiah?!
jmo

Great point.

In some cases, locals will start investigating and interviewing to at least get basic facts and knowledge, and I find looking at their videos really worthwhile sometimes. I have not looked to see if anyone is doing so with this case...

All cases bother me to no end, but babies bother me the worst. They are so totally vulnerable and helpless. This is why almost no one can understand why anyone would cover for anybody or lie in this case, or not report her missing...

jmo.

 

[ilovechili]

I agree. The people who might have information are probably living week to week if not day to day. If the thought of a baby’s life has not inspired them to go to the police, a $1000 maybe at some point in the distance future probably won’t. Just MOO.

Exactly. It is no quick one minute get a $1,000 reward without conditions. While stealing a phone, a car, a stereo, etc. may result in pawn it, part it out, sell it, and get money right now, today, that reward will not. Many maybe need $1,000 for habits or rent, etc. and would grab at it but not as a waited for possible reward some way off day down the line, if the tip even results in a felony conviction...

Your point of a baby's life has not inspired them yet, some possible reward of those conditions and that amount sure will not. Excellent point.

jmo.

 

[FrostedGlass]

That area of Mickley and Rockville road is well known to LE. There was a drive-by shooting on Port au Prince 2 days ago which resulted in one dead and one injured. This happened in the middle of the afternoon as the victims were walking down the sidewalk. It was about a block away from the complex that LE mentioned in regards to RL.
Deadly drive-by shooting marks the latest in series of violent crimes at west side apartment complex

A woman was shot 16 months ago on that same street ... and in a third incident at the same apartment complex in 2018, a shooting left a man paralyzed and gunshots ripped holes in the walls of one apartment.

LE are often stretched pretty thin. We have a case of an Avon, IN missing mother that needs some of the same resources that this case needs. Her loved ones are frantic to find her, too.
IN - IN - Najah Ferrell, 30, Avon, Hendricks County, 15 March 2019

Disappearances are just heartbreaking.

 

[aimeea]

I was out running errands this morning and was maybe 5 minutes away from the S. Holmes area, so on a total whim, I took a detour just to see what the area was like.

[JMO]
I don't feel like Google Maps really paints a good picture of the area... it's very close to downtown, but this one neighborhood is just so far removed from everything... it feels very isolated. That whole neighborhood is bordered by either train tracks or large industrial warehouses, however the whole block of S. Holmes, I don't feel like you could do anything in that area without someone noticing you... the houses are stacked right on top of one another, there are no tall fences between yards, just metal fences... there was one house on the other side of the street (on the west side) where there were maybe 10 people sitting in someone's backyard? The whole street was congested with cars parked on both sides. Once I passed through and over the train tracks, it felt like I was immediately reconnected with the rest of the world just 1/4 of a mile away.

I basically got the vibe that if something happened to Amiah in this area, the whole neighborhood "community" is probably aware of exactly what happened and who is responsible... it's just too removed from the world but at the same time close-knit, to really get away with doing something without someone else noticing.
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[Vail]

I think nothing of this kid, he is a punk who when the person is weaker, a baby or a woman, who uses his fist or if he has a weapon perhaps thinks he is some big man. With regard to the reward though? Certain types of people do not "rat". I hate generalizing but I am going by what we have seen already and heard.

Would some find $1,000 attractive? Sure they would but not when it is not guaranteed or instant money. It is only possibly as a result of a felony conviction on their tip and certainly would not grease their hands immediately. I tend to think if it was instant like an ATM, yah, maybe they would have a chance (both with false tips and real) but even then, the person has to testify and be scrutinized themselves, etc. and wait probably two years or more for that $1,000.00. Most charges if go to trial seem to take at least that long, much less a conviction and it also has to be a felony conviction. Finally, the way it is worded, it seems like it has to be that tip that leads to the felony conviction so the tip would have to be pretty substantial for a mere $1,000.00. The ones likely to have that kind of info are likely to be involved... Just thoughts...

jmo though.

Well if you know someone close to the case has info that would allow them to arrest the suspect (such as the location of the body, or eyewitness details) you gotta do what you gotta do, and $1000 is a pretty common reward budget. People shouldn't need rewards at all, you're definitely right about that, but when you're living in this area with kids or an addiction, $1000 is more than $0. Or if you're living out of a car, for example...

 

[razzledazzle]

I was out running errands this morning and was maybe 5 minutes away from the S. Holmes area, so on a total whim, I took a detour just to see what the area was like.

[JMO]
I don't feel like Google Maps really paints a good picture of the area... it's very close to downtown, but this one neighborhood is just so far removed from everything... it feels very isolated. That whole neighborhood is bordered by either train tracks or large industrial warehouses, however the whole block of S. Holmes, I don't feel like you could do anything in that area without someone noticing you... the houses are stacked right on top of one another, there are no tall fences between yards, just metal fences... there was one house on the other side of the street (on the west side) where there were maybe 10 people sitting in someone's backyard? The whole street was congested with cars parked on both sides. Once I passed through and over the train tracks, it felt like I was immediately reconnected with the rest of the world just 1/4 of a mile away.

I basically got the vibe that if something happened to Amiah in this area, the whole neighborhood "community" is probably aware of exactly what happened and who is responsible... it's just too removed from the world but at the same time close-knit, to really get away with doing something without someone else noticing.
[/JMO]

Thank you for this. As sad as it is to say, I don't think we will ever know what happened to Amiah. Everyone will keep their mouths shut, or continue to spin whatever tale they choose to tell, on whatever day they choose to tell it. The "community" will continue to protect each other, do their drugs, have dates at Motel 6, and carry on until Amiah is a distant memory. JMO... as I wipe away tears...

 

[ilovechili]

That area of Mickley and Rockville road is well known to LE. There was a drive-by shooting on Port au Prince 2 days ago which resulted in one dead and one injured. This happened in the middle of the afternoon as the victims were walking down the sidewalk. It was about a block away from the complex that LE mentioned in regards to RL.
Deadly drive-by shooting marks the latest in series of violent crimes at west side apartment complex


LE are often stretched pretty thin. We have a case of an Avon, IN missing mother that needs some of the same resources that this case needs. Her loved ones are frantic to find her, too.
IN - IN - Najah Ferrell, 30, Avon, Hendricks County, 15 March 2019

Disappearances are just heartbreaking.

I just checked that one out. Even though it is handed to Avon now, Indy sure has had their hands full.

Prayers for all missing.

 

[TeaTime]

This baby is no longer alive. If this man had taken her to a safe place, he would tell because he is facing murder charges and he knows it.

 

[ilovechili]

Well if you know someone close to the case has info that would allow them to arrest the suspect (such as the location of the body, or eyewitness details) you gotta do what you gotta do, and $1000 is a pretty common reward budget. People shouldn't need rewards at all, you're definitely right about that, but when you're living in this area with kids or an addiction, $1000 is more than $0. Or if you're living out of a car, for example...

I see your point and with someone with a conscience that perhaps is nagging at them and with a reward it could happen.

Maybe if someone gets some info over time because so far, it has not worked. However, in all fairness, we would perhaps not know if it has worked... Maybe it has. I just took a look at a missing woman's case from the same area, well sort of, Avon, IN but Indy police were involved first. She already has a $2,500 reward offered by I think a foster agency. I would be more than willing to donate to a legitimate one for Amiah.

A $1,000 reward may work in time, I do think a larger reward may help more. If it helped someone who has a conscience and wants out of the area or to move it often is not that easy--or to get out of living in a car. $1,000 will not pay in most areas a security deposit and first month's rent... And many will not rent without credit references, etc.

Now with an addiction, if they walked around even giving out a $100 bill and said give me something I can verify in this case and here is 100 bucks right now, today, well maybe... Probably illegal though...

I certainly am not arguing, I can see both sides of it. I just sometimes think the bigger incentive and/or immediate cash in this immediate gratification type of world... If no conscience, then maybe the $$$ would appeal. As sad as it is, for what we have seen so far, neither conscience, nor $1,000 reward nor concern for the baby has helped. Hopefully I am wrong, it has helped and we just do not know it yet.

I just want her found as do you and trying to think of things that might help.

Just thoughts...

 

[CSIDreamer]

[JMO]
I don't feel like Google Maps really paints a good picture of the area... it's very close to downtown, but this one neighborhood is just so far removed from everything... it feels very isolated. That whole neighborhood is bordered by either train tracks or large industrial warehouses, however the whole block of S. Holmes, I don't feel like you could do anything in that area without someone noticing you... the houses are stacked right on top of one another, there are no tall fences between yards, just metal fences... there was one house on the other side of the street (on the west side) where there were maybe 10 people sitting in someone's backyard? The whole street was congested with cars parked on both sides. Once I passed through and over the train tracks, it felt like I was immediately reconnected with the rest of the world just 1/4 of a mile away.

I basically got the vibe that if something happened to Amiah in this area, the whole neighborhood "community" is probably aware of exactly what happened and who is responsible... it's just too removed from the world but at the same time close-knit, to really get away with doing something without someone else noticing.
[/JMO]

It's truly a sad, sad commentary on society if certain neighborhoods are so closed that they would basically draw the curtains around a lunatic that killed a baby. It puts them all at risk and it isnt good for the health of the "pack" (neighborhood). I'd turn on anyone in an instant that hurt a child.

 

[ilovechili]

This baby is no longer alive. If this man had taken her to a safe place, he would tell because he is facing murder charges and he knows it.

I agree. I picture him living with total paranoia at the moment. If he could miraculously produce her one would think he would. Maybe they let him out to find the people he gave her to.. or left her with.... How many different stories I wonder were there....?

 

[margarita25]

margarita25 asked about the railroad tracks. The tracks run along the McCarty/Sadie search area. They cross Eagle Creek about a block or so away.

There is a nice looking sandy area under the trestle that probably is a hangout/fishing area. I hope my screen cap works. View attachment 176966

Thank you, FrostedGlass.

I wonder if this area has been searched? Thoughts? I would think so considering the proximity?

I am extremely concerned here because as you stated in another post, the size of a less than year old baby is not like trying to find an adult body or like disposing of an adult body unnoticed and many of those are not found. Then there is the passage of time here before this baby was ever reported missing.

If it was RL, I do not see the same scenario as Noelani's father likely imo. That man had a woman "friend" fly in from Vegas to rent a car and help him cover his tracks. He had decent transportation (under the name of someone from out of town) and they had money for gas, hotels, drugs and booze and money to cover running to different states and cities.

RL has none of that that we are aware of. If she was handed to someone else, she could be long out of the area but if he disposed of her (I hate saying that), it is somewhere nearby or within an hour tops, and I think far closer, just my guess anyhow. I guess there is always the possibility he has friends or relatives in rural areas, I just think it more unlikely he left the city at all...

The sad part is that I believe the likely means of disposal at this late date may well result in her never being found and I hate that thought. Short of someone else's knowledge and coming forward, video cam recording of say a dumpster, etc. (and even then the longer the time, the more likely any of that is gone or covered up), etc. And that is if one even has a clue about where or which one of a million to look for footage at this late date.

The size of a baby versus an adult makes it simpler to be carrying a box, pulling a small suitcase into an apartment building, even a large tote bag or backpack walking down the street, a car seat/carrier covered with a light blanket, add in your own noun here, with no one ever looking twice at you nor thinking anything of it. Daylight or darkness? Well he was gone until ten on the 9th right? Plenty dark by then in that month. I am trying not to be a negative nellie but everything in this case is frustrating with no real positives to date. Other than RL named as a suspect.

I find it impossible to understand "losing" track of a child who is not ambulatory but the disposal of a baby's body is another thing. They may not all be involved or have knowledge but fair or not, right now, just about every player in this case I cannot stand to even listen to with their conflicting stories and knowing they did not come forward sooner...

I think LE as always has more than we know. If in a week or two she is not found, I think they will look at deciding whether to charge with what they have or at least charge with obstruction and/or kidnapping. In the meantime, they are hoping to find her and find answers while he is free... I do believe something is possibly going on behind the scenes as he was released with no explanation--I hope whatever it is works...

Sorry for the less than happy post

Just my own thoughts and speculation. And I guess just a needed vent on behalf of Amiah...

Great post and don’t apologize for being negative nellie. This obviously IS a recovery situation of a little baby. Nothing good about it.

Thanks guys for being responsive to help pick up what I’m throwing down.
Like I said team effort.

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ETA:
I recommend everyone watch the PC. I do think some inferences can be made. I think the chief is kind of hot and I like his personal and sincere deameanor, moo. But honestly I don’t get that strong confident vibe from all players as much as I have with LE in other cases, JMO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Thank you, FrostedGlass.

I wonder if this area has been searched? Thoughts? I would think so considering the proximity?



Great post and don’t apologize for being negative Nellie. This obviously IS a recovery situation of a little baby. Nothing good about it.

Thanks guys for being reposnisve to help pick up what I’m throwing down.
Like I said team effort.

They searched the creek, didn't they? Since people seem to like to hang out under bridges and trestles, I would think that area would have been searched, too. But... who knows?

 

[margarita25]

They searched the creek, didn't they? Since people seem to like to hang out under bridges and trestles, I would think that area would have been searched, too. But... who knows?

Hmmmm...

So what now? I hate to assume they searched that area. And sometimes areas need to be searched more than once...

ETA: looking for volunteer with German Shepherd article

Also note to read RMcQuaids tweet with link source re dog.

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Current project:

Rewatch the PC and make abtimeline if ONLY what LE has mentioned in chronological order. I’m not trusting all msm sources for accuracy atm. Want to cross check.

 

[margarita25]

Delete

 

[pepper 34]

I’m at happy hour on official self imposed break from this thread lol.

But I have to know...how far are the railroad tracks from Holmes? What about Hamilton? What about M/R? Tia. Is there a spot where the tracks meet the water?

( @Johnny1181 )

Who else is local again?

Anyway. I know he could’ve driven to Tombuctoo and back. I’m just thinking about stuff close to home after Baby King, Sherin, (there’s was another paternal case where disposal was close). On the other hand he could be like DH, Noelani’s “father”...he drove 250 miles to another state, but he was involved with trafficking. Then there’s Malik’s dad, he drove 40 to 50..hmmm...maybe she’s not close idk

There was some discussion about the tracks previously (starts with the old historical document...); since then I recall a new name I think for the railroad.

Anyway just want to know more about the railroad tracks distance and route wise. Thanks.

(Turning phone off to enjoy a stiff margarita (or three) - that timeline hurts my head - cheers and here’s to finding baby Amiah. )

I have a #1 theory along with many others, on the subject of railroad tracks and bridges. Imagine this area late at night... nobody would see a thing. One end of Holmes is, almost literally a stone's throw from the RR tracks and the other end (further from the babysitter's house is a quarter mile from the other set of tracks)... the tracks split close by and become two RR lines. I have used red lines to show the RR tracks and red arrows to show the RR bridges that are over the same creek the police searched when the "items" were found on Sadie St. (ETA: there are 2 red arrows on the track closest to the babysitter's house because, there are 2 RR bridges along that RR track.) Between the two tracks is ALL junk cars, trucks, salvage, etc... what a dismal area it is. But, once again, nobody would likely be witness to someone walking along those tracks at night... or driving down Bertha Street (pictured on map.) I have "driven down Bertha Street via Google earth and, even in daytime, I can't see any shop or building where someone would see a person or car coming into the area.... and that creek is "available" for dumping in many areas throughout. Please let me know if I should clarify the maps. One is from way up to show the babysitter's house to RR bridges and one is closer down so the RR bridges and locations along the creek are easier to see. (Important streets are labeled with yellow pins.)
ETA: Added view from the end of the 200 block of Holmes Ave and, taking a right down the RR tracks to the bridge over the creek is 0.67 of a mile.

 

[margarita25]

I have a #1 theory along with many others, on the subject of railroad tracks and bridges. Imagine this area late at night... nobody would see a thing. One end of Holmes is, almost literally a stone's throw from the RR tracks and the other end (further from the babysitter's house is a quarter mile from the other set of tracks)... the tracks split close by and become two RR lines. I have used red lines to show the RR tracks and red arrows to show the RR bridges that are over the same creek the police searched when the "items" were found on Sadie St. (ETA: there are 2 red arrows on the track closest to the babysitter's house because, there are 2 RR bridges along that RR track.) Between the two tracks is ALL junk cars, trucks, salvage, etc... what a dismal area it is. But, once again, nobody would likely be witness to someone walking along those tracks at night... or driving down Bertha Street (pictured on map.) I have "driven down Bertha Street via Google earth and, even in daytime, I can't see any shop or building where someone would see a person or car coming into the area.... and that creek is "available" for dumping in many areas throughout. Please let me know if I should clarify the maps. One is from way up to show the babysitter's house to RR bridges and one is closer down so the RR bridges and locations along the creek are easier to see. (Important streets are labeled with yellow pins.)
ETA: Added view from the end of the 200 block of Holmes Ave and, taking a right down the RR tracks to the bridge over the creek is 0.67 of a mile.

Thank you , pepper 34. This is great and gives us something to really stare at.

This brings to mind, we have heard a lot about water searches, have we seen any organized land GRID searches? Surely they would have occurred as SP imo? (Need to reference manual in resources , eta link for reference:
Child Abduction Response Plan: An Investigative Guide . I do not recall seeing any photos of grid walks , maybe I missed it or there just weren’t any captured. photos I would expect to see might look something like this:

(ETA: This is a very painful and hard post Im realizing; as you guys know it is Jessica who brought me here, really bad memories, still hits like a ton of bricks...anyway it was her grid search photos that first came to mind:

Source link:
Investigators in Jessica Ridgeway murder case look beyond open space – The Denver Post
That wasn’t the pic I was thinking of.

I tried to google more and saw some really hard pictures Can’t do it. Anyway, land grid search.

GS are often done when the victim has not officially been considered deceased as we know, thinking about this further...

However, I am still thinking an organized land grid search would’ve been in order, 2 mile radius? This had to have been done...

They searched the creek, didn't they? Since people seem to like to hang out under bridges and trestles, I would think that area would have been searched, too. But... who knows?

(Just a had a flashback of our discussions in Abby’s and Libby’s threads, FrostedGlass. I know the cases are nothing alike, just sayin that was a weird Deja Vu. . “creek”.. “bridges”..)

 

[carbuff]

Often when there's no organized grid search, it's because they consider the area too dangerous. In this case, maybe concern about used needles or stumbling into toxic amounts of fentanyl or that kind of thing.