IN IN - Amiah Robertson, 8 months, Indianapolis, 15 Mar 2019 #2

[FunkyMonkey]

I am not sure exactly where it is,but many people who live in the area told me that it is a railroad bridge that has a sign 1907 in front of it. With so many locals telling me that,I am trusting that they know.

Thanks for the info. I thought the 1907 was where Amiyah’s belongings were found along the creek/river.

 

[sasha17]

Thanks for the info. I thought the 1907 was where Amiyah’s belongings were found along the creek/river.

I think you're right. If you enter 1907 Sadie Street into Google Maps, it puts the pin right on the corner of Sadie Street and W. McCarty Street.


"Officers with the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department are investigating items found on the city’s near west side... Several law enforcement vehicles are at the scene near the intersection of McCarty Street and Sadie Street, which is a few blocks away from where Amiah’s mother said she last saw her daughter on Holmes Avenue last Thursday."

IMPD investigating items found on near west side; unclear if related to missing baby

 

[maureen718]

In the presser they state at least two times RL's Isuzu is in "poor condition" I think that describes the car's running condition as much as dents and lights. I wonder when the 1996 vehicle last got tires? Imo that car could get you around town but probably not road ready for an hour's drive at most, plus it needs gas to travel, you need 30 bucks or more if you run down the highway a while and back. Just a few thoughts I had while trying to figure out where RL would go.

 

[aimeea]

Apparently 1907 is something on that CSX bridge that goes over the creek. I know someone shared an urban dictionary thing earlier but I think that was just a huuuuuge coincidence. (I can’t find links to cite that as a confirmed source unfortunately, but I have seen enough pics on SM of the area from people who have been out there to feel pretty confident about it)

As for RL having a valid license, he does. It’s listed on the police reports.

 

[margarita25]

In the presser they state at least two times RL's Isuzu is in "poor condition" I think that describes the car's running condition as much as dents and lights. I wonder when the 1996 vehicle last got tires? Imo that car could get you around town but probably not road ready for an hour's drive at most, plus it needs gas to travel, you need 30 bucks or more if you run down the highway a while and back. Just a few thoughts I had while trying to figure out where RL would go.

Question for LE, can you please elaborate for specifically on “poor condition”.

Anyone near the lot? Want to get a pic from a distance? you know, no trespassing, nothing like that. Jk

 

[margarita25]

Apparently 1907 is something on that CSX bridge that goes over the creek. I know someone shared an urban dictionary thing earlier but I think that was just a huuuuuge coincidence. (I can’t find links to cite that as a confirmed source unfortunately, but I have seen enough pics on SM of the area from people who have been out there to feel pretty confident about it)

As for RL having a valid license, he does. It’s listed on the police reports.

Whaaat? link please. I thought someone mentioned that earlier but the numbers didn’t match? Tia.

I thought I found 1907 on the map (McCarty iirc) in thread 1 but that seemed booted for the urban legend thing lol.

Wait @aimeea, 1907 Sadie. Right by tibbs, the creek and 70. Yes. McCarty is further down at 1907 I think.

 

[sasha17]

Here's the Bridgehunter page for that specific bridge: CSX - Eagle Creek Bridge

 

[margarita25]

I am not sure exactly where it is,but many people who live in the area told me that it is a railroad bridge that has a sign 1907 in front of it. With so many locals telling me that,I am trusting that they know.

Huh??
Let’s find this sign.

 

[sasha17]

Just to clarify...

1907 Sadie Street is where LE found the items. Are you all thinking that 1907 also applies to a second location somewhere else? Or are you talking about that railroad bridge that's near 1907 Sadie Street (the CSX Eagle Creek Bridge)?

 

[aimeea]

The railroad bridge supposedly has some sort of placard on it denoting when it was built, in 1907. I'm struggling to find a reputable non-SM source on this but I did find these two things confirming the date:

http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/Hagley/PRR1907 Mar 05.pdf
Railroad Gazette

Not... great. I wish I could find something better because like I said, I'm pretty confident when those involved in this case, like AR, are talking about 1907, that railroad bridge and the area surrounding it, is exactly what they're talking about.

ETA: Is 1907 Sadie Street even an actual address? I know if you enter it into Google Maps, it'll pinpoint you to that area, but it doesn't seem like it's an actual physical address. lol, if you google "1907 Sadie Street" the only result is this thread

 

[sasha17]

The railroad bridge supposedly has some sort of placard on it denoting when it was built, in 1907. I'm struggling to find a reputable non-SM source on this but I did find these two things confirming the date:

http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/Hagley/PRR1907 Mar 05.pdf
Railroad Gazette

Not... great. I wish I could find something better because like I said, I'm pretty confident when those involved in this case, like AR, are talking about 1907, that railroad bridge and the area surrounding it, is exactly what they're talking about.

That makes sense. It was (is?) pretty common to put a year on a bridge, especially if it was made of concrete. There is a bridge down the street from my house like that. Here's an example of a bridge with the year. I found it on Google Images: Free photo Date White Painted Crumbling Concrete Bridge Old - Max Pixel

 

[sasha17]

ETA: Is 1907 Sadie Street even an actual address? I know if you enter it into Google Maps, it'll pinpoint you to that area, but it doesn't seem like it's an actual physical address. lol, if you google "1907 Sadie Street" the only result is this thread

It doesn't look like there's actually any building/house at that address, but it is the address of the intersection of Sadie and McCarty, if that makes sense? I imagine if a house was built at that spot, that's the address it could have!

 

[aimeea]

@sasha17 That was my initial impression too but if you look at the house numbers on Sadie Street, they're all 800-900, so it logically doesn't make sense for 1907 to be an address anywhere near there. And the cross-street, McCarty is 3100-3200 at that spot.

 

[sasha17]

@sasha17 That was my initial impression too but if you look at the house numbers on Sadie Street, they're all 800-900, so it logically doesn't make sense for 1907 to be an address anywhere near there. And the cross-street, McCarty is 3100-3200 at that spot.

Wow, you're right. I put in 7000 Sadie Street just to see and it puts the pin in the same spot. After testing a few numbers, it looks like it puts the pin at the intersection of Sadie and McCarty for any number larger than about 1800.

Edited to add: Okay, so I'm back to the thinking that 1907 refers to just the year stamp likely on that bridge rather than a specific address, and LE parking at Sadie and McCarty was just the closest place to park to get down to that bridge.

 

[ilovechili]

Thank you, FrostedGlass.

I wonder if this area has been searched? Thoughts? I would think so considering the proximity?



Great post and don’t apologize for being negative nellie. This obviously IS a recovery situation of a little baby. Nothing good about it.

Thanks guys for being responsive to help pick up what I’m throwing down.
Like I said team effort.

-//

ETA:
I recommend everyone watch the PC. I do think some inferences can be made. I think the chief is kind of hot and I like his personal and sincere deameanor, moo. But honestly I don’t get that strong confident vibe from all players as much as I have with LE in other cases, JMO.

I found the PC interesting too. I think there is a lot of reading between the lines that can be done... I found that with both the chief and the detective...

My negative nellie was just a cycle I have of needing an occasional vent on behalf of a victim and a frustration with a case. Generally long winded as well so I generally apologize Then I go back to (usually) shorter posts. You are right, it is likely a recovery effort, pretty hard to have much hope otherwise here... I pray they find her and have more than we know.

 

[margarita25]

@sasha17 That was my initial impression too but if you look at the house numbers on Sadie Street, they're all 800-900, so it logically doesn't make sense for 1907 to be an address anywhere near there. And the cross-street, McCarty is 3100-3200 at that spot.

Not that this this necessarily significant, but 1907 W McCarty is .9 mile from Sadie St.

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As far determine the maximum range of travel RL could have gone on March 9:

The absolute maximum round trip distance that RL could have traveled in 9 hours with no stops IF he was going 80 miles an hour on the freeway would be 360 miles if I calculated correctly.

(80mph x 4.5 hours each way)

Obviously the high speed variable of 80mph with no stops is conducive to a large (and impractical imo) buffer range so as to no way underestimate. So, if he did travel out of the area the actual distance would likely be less than this. One would then have to account for any time he took at the disposal site, which could be anything from zero (quick toss) vs. more time (burial, etc).

Again this is IF he even left the area of M/R. Another specific question I would have for LE is IF they believe he remained in that area for the full time range and what evidence do they have to confirm he was there, and when and for how long. They didn’t seem to want to elaborate on this in the PC, and I’m not sure exactly why.

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More maximum distance estimates, again with no stops, at different speeds would look like this, again based on the 4.5 hours maximum time he would have had to travel there and back.

70 mph: 316 miles
60 mph: 270 miles
50 mph: 225 miles
40 mph: 180 miles
30 mph: 135 miles

Now for fun, I’m going to average the 5 above miles numbers, not using 80 mph as a variable as I find it unrealistic.

Average is 225 miles, 30-70 mph.

So a very rough estimation considering stops and accounting for approx 30 minutes for the disposal, I would say she would have to be around or under 200 miles at a maximum figure, if even that far, IF he even traveled out of the area, moo.

(I hope I did the math right on those, I think I did..if not oops as I’m out of editing time.)

 

[margarita25]

Qmfr:

Not that this this necessarily significant, but 1907 W McCarty is .9 mile from Sadie St.

——
As far determining the maximum range of travel RL could have gone on March 9:

The absolute maximum round trip distance that RL could have traveled in 9 hours with no stops IF he was going 80 miles an hour on the freeway would be 360 miles if I calculated correctly.

(80mph x 4.5 hours each way)

Obviously the high speed variable of 80mph with no stops is conducive to a large (and impractical imo) buffer range so as to no way underestimate. So, if he did travel out of the area the actual distance would likely be less than this. One would then have to account for any time he took at the disposal site, which could be anything from zero (quick toss) vs. more time (burial, etc).

Again this is IF he even left the area of M/R. Another specific question I would have for LE is IF they believe he remained in that area for the full time range and what evidence do they have to confirm he was there, and when and for how long. They didn’t seem to want to elaborate on this in the PC, and I’m not sure exactly why.

—-

More maximum distance estimates, again with no stops, at different speeds would look like this, again based on the 4.5 hours maximum time he would have had to travel there and back.

70 mph: 316 miles
60 mph: 270 miles
50 mph: 225 miles
40 mph: 180 miles
30 mph: 135 miles

Now for fun, I’m going to average the 5 above miles numbers, not using 80 mph as a variable as I find it unrealistic.

Average is 225 miles, 30-70 mph.

So a very rough estimation considering stops and accounting for approx 30 minutes for the disposal, I would say she would have to be around or under 200 miles at a maximum figure, if even that far, IF he even traveled out of the area, moo.

(I hope I did the math right on those, I think I did..if not oops as I’m out of editing time.)

Continuing with this post as related to disposal distances (if Amiah was not placed in a dumpster, etc.), some other distances I like in this case are, based on two other paternal child homicides, Baby King and Sherin Mathews, are, as I already mentioned, “less than a mile” and additionally, 1-2 miles.

Another distance range I “like” is 6 to 11 miles and 22 to 28 miles, if he were to possibly head out of town into a more rural area; however these are numbers I’ve seen occur more in random child and adult abductions and homicides, moo.

I have noted previously in another case that it seems that men are more inclined to drive a further distance in the disposal than women, imo.

(I wonder if the FBI is reading this going “where the hell does she get this stuff” lol)

—everything is jmo.

ETA: Dylan Redwine, who was murdered by his father (moo, trial is soon to begin, need to check on that), was found ten miles away ftr.

 

[Jim_M]

Qmfr:


Continuing with this post as related to disposal distances, if Amiah was not placed in a dumpster, etc., some other distances I like in this case are, based on two other paternal child homicides Baby King and Sherin Matthews and as I already mentioned, “less than a mile”.

Others include 1-2 miles.

Another distance range I “like” is 6 to 11 miles and 22-28 miles, if he were to possibly head out of town into a more rural area; however these are numbers I’ve seen more in random abductions, moo.

I have noted previously in another case that it seems imo that men are more willing to drive a further distance in the disposal than women.

(I wonder if the FBI is reading this going “where the hell does she get this stuff” lol)

I'm reading this and hoping LE is using your posts, and especially your timelines, to figure out some of the 'unknowns' in this case. I realize this is wishful thinking, but you never know. LOL to your self deprecation

 

[margarita25]

I'm reading this and hoping LE is using your posts, and especially your timelines, to figure out some of the 'unknowns' in this case. I realize this is wishful thinking, but you never know. LOL to your self deprecation

That’s very kind of you. I’m doubting the FBI cares about my input LOL, however if they DO happen to be reading here I better hurry up and correct that Tuesday time stamp to 12:44 lol...been dreading the next round of editing...

I did want to do a concise, separate timeline though as I mentioned, strictly based on last Saturday’s PC.

(Wow it’s been a week since that last PC...)

Where are you little Amiah?

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-rewatching PC now, timeline in progress.

( ETA: @Jim_M:
If the FBI wants me to work for them, they’re going to have to approve medical marijuana use
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[margarita25]

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