IN IN - Amiah Robertson, 8 months, Indianapolis, 15 Mar 2019 #2

[castilloisno1]

ALWAYS great work @margarita25 Thank you for all you are doing on this thread!

 

[margarita25]

Timeline from Saturday, March 23rd PC:

I’m noting any points that we’ve have had questions about, bringing those quotes forward (I know @Kadoober has already transcribed this fully but I’d like to look and listen at this again a week later now that we’ve been able to process a little bit and discuss / question.

Saturday, March 16:
Roach:
•MP notified
(“That date id significant and you’ll know why when you listen to detective”)
•Enlisted help of homicide investigators (this a homicide investigation, has been all week since early on because things just didn’t add up)

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Tuesday, March 19:
• We let you all know / wanted to enlist help of community
•Silver Alert was done.
•SW served at a residence in hopes of gaining physical evidence &
•Additional interviews

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Wednesday, March 20:
•got a tip that @McCarty and BBM White River that there there were some child belongings that may or may not have belonged to Amiah...search...there were some items really close to the water, enlisted help of IFD, we collected some items from there.

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Thursday, March 21:
•expanded that search a little bit and went a little bit downstream, no additional information, just to be thorough

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Friday, March 22:
•group of community members unsolicited by us also went out and helped

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JB:

Saturday, March 9:
•”approx 1:15 last seen BBM alive and well ( @ageofaqaurius ) with RL in the 200 block of S Holmes...
vehicle info.

BBM “RL STAYED ON THE SW SIDE IF INDIANAPOLIS until 10pm when he returned back to the mother, AR, alone without Amiah” (there goes my distance range chart)...
•”Amber gave permission to stay with the baby sitter until the following morning.”
•”the baby sitter and the other witness saw RL leave her house at 1:15 with A.”

•”Since March 10 RL has taunted AR about A’s whereabouts.”

Saturday, March 23rd:
JB: “I’m asking the public to come forward if they saw RL or Amiah on March 9 or any day thereafter.”

BBM: “On March 9 he was in the area of Rockville road and Mapely Avenue BBM for an extended period of time so if you live in that area I would ask that you try to remember if you saw anything suspicious, saw RL, Amiah, or this truck.”

Re: “location site on McCarty and BBM Tibbs St, the items found on the bank have been identified as belonging to Amiah.”

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LS:
Again uses term “people” (imo “plural”), that were not providing good information. Some were, some weren’t. “They know who they are”...

Clearly plural, moo.

•Re: Criminal Charges:
“have been in communication with Marion Co. Prosecutor’s Office who ultimately decide what charges will be filed and who they would be filed against”...”so the ”persons” responsible for that is who we would look to be held accountable”.

Re: “clarity on timeline”:

“Arrested on the 17th in a BBM domestic related charge (ok I take my jab at the DM for using the word “domestic”, even though the charges listed are not domestic, JB clearly uses this word), “had noooothing to do with what we are talking about now. He was released.”

“As far as knowing his whereabouts this investigation is ongoing and I do not feel comfortable talking about what I’m doing with Robert Lyons.”

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BBM:
Reporter ?: Can you tell us a little bit more about this vehicle and when it was spotted over bout Rockville and M and what you think was going on over there, what’s in that part of town, why would somebody be driving around over there, does he know anybody over there, what is significant about that neighborhood and that day?:

JB:
“I’ll just tell you what is significant, it was approximately around 1:30 pm until about 8:30 in the evening on March 9th that he was in that area, there’s a food mart there, there are apartments there BBM and that’s as far as I want to go with that.”

(Inserted by me - Why? )

“Its R and M right there on the corner there’s a food mart and a laundromat and the Addison apartments.”

BBM:
?: “Is that an area that he frequents, he lives around over there, he knows people over there?”

JB: “It’s an area I know he was there on March 9, I’m not sure what he was doing and that’s why I’m asking for help, why he was in that area.”

?: “Should I assume then that you've either got people that spotted him over there, or maybe there’s surveillance video of that vehicle in the area?”

JB: “I think with the integrity of the investigation I would rather not answer that.”

(Again, why I ask, moo)

?: Based on the delay in reporting is AR a suspect?

LS: BBM “Not at this time”.

(Note: I have a question, M/R isn’t an hour and a half away from Holmes and/or Hamilton, so what was he doing between 8:30 and 10:00? Do they have evidence of him leaving thst area at 8:30? Sounds like they say 8:30 for a reason possibly, moo. But then she says above “stayed on the SW side until 10pm” above, (scratching head).

(-Note to pick up video at 11:51 / out of editing time on this post.)

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Now compare this to other timeline for any discrepancies via linked sources. Not seeing any off the top of my head (again, I have some additions/specific time order revisions and need to correct timestamp on Tuesday search to 12:40):

Qmfr:

Amiah Robertson Timeline
March 9, 2019 - March 26, 2019.
By Margarita25 for WS

Saturday, March 9:

A) Amiah Last Seen

“But the last time police have confirmed that she was seen alive was at 1:15 p.m. March 9, when Lyons had her in a residence in the 200 block of S. Holmes Avenue on the city's west side.”
Police: Search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old now classified as homicide investigation

“During a press conference Saturday (March 23, 2019), police say Amiah was last seen with the boyfriend of the baby’s mother, Robert Lyons, around 1:15 p.m. March 9. Lyons is said to have spent the day in the area of Rockville and Mickley. Lyons then returned to the mother’s home at roughly 10 p.m. that night without Amiah.

““If you live in that area I would ask that you try to remember if you saw anything suspicious. If you saw Robert or Amiah, or this truck," IMPD Detective Jean Burkett said.”

Police say Lyons was last seen driving a maroon 1996 Isuzu Rodeo.“
IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

“A babysitter and other witnesses saw Lyons leave the house on Holmes Ave. with Amiah at 1:15 p.m. March 9. Police said Lyons stayed on the southwest side until 10 p.m. and returned to Amber Robertson without the baby.”
Police: Search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old now classified as homicide investigation

B) Lyons returns without Amiah

“Lyons then returned to the mother's home at roughly 10 p.m. that night without Amiah.”
IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

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Sunday, March 10:

“Since March 10, Robert Lyons has taunted Amber Robertson about Amiah’s whereabouts.””
Police: Search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old now classified as homicide investigation

...

Thursday, March 14:

A) Last seen number 1:

“But police said she first told them the baby had been missing since the Thursday before.“
Amiah Robertson Missing: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

“Robertson said she doesn't know where her baby could be. She says the last time she saw Amiah was Thursday, before her boyfriend, Robert Lyons, was supposed to take the baby to a west side home.

"She was supposed to go to the babysitter's house on 220 South Holmes. She never arrived there," said Robertson.“
Mother of missing baby said she called tip in to police

“Amiah's mother initially reported the girl missing on Saturday, March 16. At the time, she told police she had not seen Amiah since Thursday and family members did not believe Amiah was in danger.“
Missing 8-month-old Indiana girl believed to be in extreme danger

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Friday, March 15:

A) Last seen number 2:

“Amber claims she hasn't seen her daughter Amiah since Friday and is concerned about her daughter's safety.

"I’m just hoping she isn’t with someone that could do any harm to her," said Robertson.

For their part, police say the family's story has been inconsistent. The family initially told investigators Amiah was last seen on Thursday, March 14 and they did not think the girl was at risk.”
UPDATE: FBI now assisting IMPD with search for missing 8-month-old girl

B) “A Neighbor Saw Her With the Baby Friday Night ‘Speed-Walking’ Toward an Alley”.
Amiah Robertson Missing: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

“"I definitely saw her Friday night around 9 p.m.," B said. "[Amiah] had a short T-shirt on, probably some thin pajama pants, no jacket and it was cold. The mom was just holding her up [away from her body, instead of cradling her] and was speed walking with her."“
Conflicting Stories In the Disappearance of Amiah Robertson

C) Motel 6:

“...the mother of the child said she was on a date with her ex-boyfriend at a Motel 6 on Friday for a date when Amiah went missing.”
Amiah Robertson Missing: 8-Month-Old Disappeared While Mother Was On Date

“She says she was with her ex-boyfriend, who is not Amiah’s father, at a Motel 6 on Friday, March 15 for a date. That was the last time Amber saw her daughter. She reported Amiah missing to police on Saturday.”
Silver Alert issued for 8-month-old girl missing from Indianapolis

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Saturday, March 16:

A) Reported Missing:

“According to the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department, Amiah's family reported her missing Saturday, two days after the last time she was seen.”
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

“Amiah Robertson was reported missing on Saturday, two days after her mother told authorities she was last seen, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department announced on social media.”
Indianapolis Police Search for Missing 8-Month-Old Baby Amid Conflicting Stories From Family

B) Last seen 3:
“According to the infant's mother, she was last seen on the city's west side in the 200 block of South Holmes Avenue on Thursday, March 14. State police says Amiah was last seen Saturday, March 16.“
Police use search warrant at home where missing 8-month-old was last seen

“Chris Bavender, spokeswoman for the FBI’s Indianapolis division, said Wednesday that the federal agency is assisting in the search for 8-month-old Amiah Robertson, who officials said was last seen on Saturday. She said that Indianapolis police is the lead agency.”
Baby missing since Saturday is subject of search in Indianapolis, with FBI assisting

“A "silver alert" was issued for Amiah by Indiana State Police on Tuesday that said the child is missing from Indianapolis and was last seen on Saturday at 4:35 p.m. "She is believed to be in extreme danger and may require medical assistance," the alert said.“
Baby missing since Saturday is subject of search in Indianapolis, with FBI assisting

“Authorities eventually discovered discrepancies in the timeline of her disappearance and updated her last reported sighting to Saturday.”
Detectives collect 'items' near creek possibly linked to missing 8-month-old

C) Domestic Disturbance:

“Police say Lyons and Robertson got into an argument Saturday, likely over whether or not Lyons was the father for Amiah. Lyons was arrested over that "domestic dispute", according to Amiah's grandfather Chuck Robertson.

"He physically abused my daughter and it escalated into where he actually ran a car into her," Robertson said. "All I can do it hope. I don't know."”
Conflicting Stories In the Disappearance of Amiah Robertson

(Note: Add snippet here from last thread re: time on officer responses)

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Sunday, March 17:

A) “Amber Robertson posted to one of her at least five Facebook pages, this one that uses the url logan.robertson, first on Sunday March 17 at 3:40 p.m. that her baby was missing. This coincides with the time Lyons was arrested. But police said she first told them the baby had been missing since the Thursday before.“
Amiah Robertson Missing: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

B) Surveillance video taken on Sunday /
Detailed description of video at link:
Video surfaces from day after 8-month-old girl was reported missing - WISH
(Article Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2019)

“...it shows Robert Lyons, Amber Robertson's boyfriend, coming out of the house of Amiah Robertson's babysitters on South Holmes Avenue.”

Snip

“The neighbor who provided the video told News 8 that Lyons, mom Amber and daughter Amiah had been living in a car behind the house. Amiah had just been reported missing the day before this video was taken. Her family said that house is where she was last seen.”

C) “A short time later, two IMPD officers show up at the house. The police are not shown going into the house.”

D) Car Towed

Towed Date and Time: 3/17/19 4:27 AM

Indianapolis, IN
Vehicle Details

TOW DETAILS
TR Number: 20190317A0015
License: BBU582 - IN
VIN: *************2027
Vehicle: RED 1996 ISUZU RODEO
Towed Date and Time: 3/17/19 4:27 AM
Towed By: Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department
Towed From: 1017 N Hamilton Ave
Reason: ARREST Arrest
Status: RELEASE PENDING
Tow Company: AutoReturn - Indianapolis
2451 S. Belmont Ave, Indianapolis, IN
https://www.autoreturn.com/indianapolis-in/find-vehicle/details?vehicle=3037547

E) “Police arrested Lyons later on Sunday on charges unrelated to Amiah's disappearance.”
Video surfaces from day after 8-month-old girl was reported missing - WISH

Name: ROBERT L LYONS

Sex: M DOB: 10/16/1992
Height: 508 Weight: 150
Hair Length: Hair Color: BROWN
Complexion: Eye Color: GREEN

Inmate Information
Booking #: 1909552 Race: White
Permanent ID #: 000000808302 Ethnicity: Not Hispanic or Latino
State ID: Marital Status:
Police/County ID: Citizen: UNITED STATES
FBI #: Country of Birth: UNITED STATES
ICE #:

Incarceration Information
Current Housing Section: Current Location: MAIN
Current Housing Block: County:
Current Housing Cell: Commitment Date: 03/17/2019
Current Housing Bed: Release Date: 03/20/2019 16:40
Bond Information
Case #: 49-NC1903-1353590 Amount: Percent: Additional: Total:
Bond Type: Status: Posted By: Post Date:
Grand Total: $0.00

Charge Information
Case # Offense Date Code Description Grade Degree
49-NC1903-1353590 03/17/2019 35-42-2-2(a) Criminal Recklessness B M
49-NC1903-1353590 03/17/2019 9-26-1-1.1(a)(1) Leaving the Scene of an Accident 6 F

Hearing Information
There is no hearing information for this inmate.
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Monday, March 18:

A) “Just after midnight, so on March 18, a second post.

“Amiah mommy loves you so much baby girl your out there some where and I’m not stopping till I find you your all mommy and bubby has we miss u so much I just wanna hold you and let everything be ok I love u more than life babygirl”“
Amber Roberston: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

B) Robertson’s father told local media that his daughter and Lyons, who the grandfather said was not the child’s biological father, had been involved in a domestic dispute tied to the child’s paternity. Charles ‘Chuck’ Robertson told a reporter he believed Lyon was involved in the baby’s disappearance calling it a “gut feeling.”

Chuck Robertson posted the above on March 18, where he alleged that Lyons kidnapped the baby.“
Amber Roberston: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

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Tuesday, March 19:

A) Silver Alert Issued

“ISP issued a Silver Alert for Amiah around 11 a.m. on Tuesday—about nine hours after IMPD initially asked the public for help with finding her.”
UPDATE: FBI now assisting IMPD with search for missing 8-month-old girl

“On Tuesday, police determined the child to be in possible danger and a Silver Alert was issued asking for the public's help.

Detectives then when to the home on South Holmes Avenue, where the baby was last seen, and using a search warrant began interviewing possible witnesses. Investigators were also on hand to collect potential evidence. Detectives say they have been given conflicting stories throughout the investigation.”
Police use search warrant at home where missing 8-month-old was last seen

“On Tuesday, a statewide Silver Alert was issued by the Indiana State Police stating that Amiah was now believed to be in "extreme danger" and may require medical attention.“
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

“The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department is asking the public to help find the baby, Amiah Robertson. IMPD sent out her photo with a vague description of what happened early Tuesday morning.”
UPDATE: IMPD now working with FBI in search for missing 8-month-old girl

B) “Police on Tuesday took to Twitter to directly address the social media talk and urge people to stop spreading "inaccurate reports."”
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

C) “On Tuesday, detectives obtained a search warrant for the home on South Holmes Street where Amiah was reportedly last seen. Police spent time in the neighborhood talking to potential witnesses, and the Indianapolis-Marion County Forensic Services Agency responded as a precautionary measure to collect potential evidence that might assist in locating the baby, police said.”
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

“Detectives searched the home for hours on Tuesday, focusing on a detached garage, but it’s unclear if they found anything.”
Why a Silver Alert, not an Amber Alert, was issued for 8-month-old girl missing from Indy

9:44 am 19 March is the stamp on this tweet from reporter who was live:
Steve Jefferson on Twitter

D) Police: Missing baby's mom 'lawyered up'
PUBLISHED: MAR 19TH, 2019 - 10:23PM

E) “Amber Robertson said she was distraught during a phone call Tuesday afternoon with News 8 and added she had been "praying for [her] daughter."

She was en route to an Indiana Department of Child Services appointment, she said, and ended the conversation before questions about the ongoing investigation could be raised.”
Police: Conflicting stories after disappearance of 8-month-old

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Wednesday, March 20:

A) Silver Alert Cancelled

“However, police say the Silver Alert was canceled at 10 p.m. Wednesday "due to very few tips coming in on that specific hotline."”
UPDATE: FBI now assisting IMPD with search for missing 8-month-old girl

“On Wednesday, the Silver Alert was canceled. IMPD officials said the alert was being pulled because "very few tips" were generated on that specific hotline, and detectives have been receiving numerous tips through social media and department lines.”
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

B) “FBI joins the investigation
The FBI confirmed Wednesday that it is assisting Indianapolis police in the investigation.

An FBI spokesperson told IndyStar that IMPD is leading the investigation and declined to comment further.“
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

C) “On Wednesday, the search extended to the White River. Officers responded to the area of West McCarty Street near the river just after 4:40 p.m. after getting a tip about potential evidence related to the case.

Items were found along the shoreline that could be related to Amiah's disappearance, but police said the items need to be analyzed further.

Divers also searched the water but nothing was recovered.“
What we know about the disappearance of Amiah Robertson

“On Wednesday afternoon, police were investigating an area about a half-mile from the babysitter’s address...”
FBI involved in search for missing Indiana baby, Silver Alert canceled

Investigators spent hours Wednesday collecting items possibly linked to missing Indianapolis 8-month-old Amiah Robertson.

“Police began searching Eagle Creek near Sadie and West McCarty streets around 4:40 p.m. following a tip from an undisclosed source.”
Detectives collect 'items' near creek possibly linked to missing 8-month-old

“Rescue crews and dive teams were dispatched to assist in the investigation but were only able to recover debris from the water, officials said.

Authorities declined to provide descriptions of items recovered from the shoreline but did not rule out toys, shoes or articles of clothing.”
Detectives collect 'items' near creek possibly linked to missing 8-month-old

“On Wednesday, investigators conducted a large search on the banks of Eagle Creek less than a mile from where Amiah was last seen. An IMPD spokesperson said they conducted the search after being tipped off that some “items related to the case” were there.

“We have to remain hopeful that we will see her again and see her alive again and that’s what we all want to see,” IMPD Sgt. Jim Gillespie said Wednesday.”
Community members hold vigil for missing 8-month-old Amiah Robertson

Police have concentrated their efforts at Little Eagle Creek since Wednesday afternoon.”
Drones Used in Search for Amiah Robertson

“On March 20, Indianapolis police say they received a tip regarding items that may be connected to Amiah along a bank of the White River, less than a mile from where the baby was reportedly last seen. Detectives searched the area with help from an Indianapolis Fire Department dive team, but police say their findings were inconclusive.”
WATCH: IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

“The search along the White River
On Wednesday, police investigated the bank of the White River because they received a tip that items possibly belonging to the girl had been seen there.

Police and volunteers on Thursday and Friday continued to search downstream of the spot on the White River where they had started so they could "completely exhaust the lead," according to IMPD.

Burkert on Saturday confirmed that items found on the bank of the White River were identified as belonging to Amiah or her family. Police would not provide additional details about the items that were found.“
'It's devastating': 8-month-old girl's disappearance investigated as homicide

D) “Emergency medical workers arrived at the scene around 5:40 p.m. in an ambulance with flashing lights and left by 7 p.m.”
Detectives collect 'items' near creek possibly linked to missing 8-month-old

E) “Online court records show Robert Lyons, the boyfriend of Amiah’s mother, Amber Robertson, is due in criminal court this morning.”

Lyons is in custody on preliminary charges unrelated to Amiah's disappearance.”
FBI now assisting in search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old

“He (Lyons) was released Wednesday.”
Why a Silver Alert, not an Amber Alert, was issued for 8-month-old girl missing from Indy

“According to online jail and court records, Lyons was arrested and charged with criminal recklessness and leaving the scene of an accident on St Patrick’s Day. He was released from jail Wednesday March 20 sans online explanation, meaning no court hearings are listed.“
Amber Roberston: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Release Date: 03/20/2019 16:40
(See 3/17 for link source)

F) Amber says she went to this location on Wednesday, found items, and called the tip in herself to police:

“Wednesday, police searched an area on the west side after getting a tip close to the investigation. That tip brought them to the banks of the White River near McCarty and Sadie Streets.

Baby Amiah's mom, Amber Robertson, told Eyewitness News she's the one who called it in to police.

"All I can do is sit and think of things that my daughter loves," said Robertson, who said she's had more on her mind, like trying to remember past conversations with her boyfriend, who she said was supposed to take 8-month-old Amiah to the babysitter's last Thursday, but never got there.

"Robert, a long time ago, told me about 1907. That it was somewhere where he and his friends used to hang around and he drove me by here one time," said Robertson.

So she went back there Wednesday afternoon.

That's where she says she found items that belonged to her daughter and boyfriend, so she called 911. The call brought out IMPD and IFD's dive team to collect possible evidence.

"They discovered some items that could be related to the case, however that is not conclusive at this time," said IMPD Sgt. Jim Gillespie.“
Mother of missing baby said she called tip in to police

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Thursday, March 21:

A) “Amiah's grandfather told the TV station that Amber Robertson, Amiah's mother, was talking to detectives again Thursday. She and boyfriend Robert Lyons may have had a fight before the baby disappeared last Thursday.”
Conflicting Stories In the Disappearance of Amiah Robertson

“Amiah's grandfather Charles "Chuck" Robertson told News 8 on Thursday that Amiah's mother was meeting with a detective.”
Search continues for missing 8-month-old girl

B) “Indianapolis metro police Thursday used a drone to search Eagle Creek.”
Search continues for missing 8-month-old girl

C) “Police and volunteers on Thursday and Friday continued to search downstream of the spot on the White River where they had started so they could "completely exhaust the lead," according to IMPD.”
Disappearance of 8-month-old now investigated as homicide

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Friday, March 22:

A) “Community members on the near west side of Indianapolis gathered Friday for a candle light vigil for missing 8-month-old Amiah Robertson.“
Community members hold vigil for missing 8-month-old Amiah Robertson

B) “Police and volunteers on Thursday and Friday continued to search downstream of the spot on the White River where they had started so they could "completely exhaust the lead," according to IMPD.”
Disappearance of 8-month-old now investigated as homicide

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Saturday, March 23:

A) Last Seen date is clarified as March 9:

“Amiah's family reported her as missing on March 16. But the last time police have confirmed that she was seen alive was at 1:15 p.m. March 9, when Lyons had her in a residence in the 200 block of S. Holmes Avenue on the city's west side.“
Police: Search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old now classified as homicide investigation

B) IMPD announces they are investigating Amiah’s disappearance as a homicide:

“The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department has announced they are investigating the disappearance of 8-month-old Amiah Robertson as a homicide.”
IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

“Roach said it has been a homicide investigation all week after officials realized things "didn't add up."”
Police: Search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old now classified as homicide investigation

C) “IMPD says they investigated the places Lyons told them baby Amiah should be. Amiah was not found at any of the described locations, and several of the locations Lyons detailed did not exist, according to police.”
IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

D) “Officials also confirmed that items found along the bank of the White River belonged to Amiah.”
IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

E) “Police urge anyone who saw Lyons with Amiah after March 9 to come forward.”
WATCH: IMPD announces missing 8-month-old baby now investigated as homicide

F) “Police have named Robert Lyons, who was the boyfriend of Amiah's mother, as a suspect.”
Police: Search for missing Indianapolis 8-month-old now classified as homicide investigation

“Although police listed Lyons as a suspect, they said they are not seeking his whereabouts now.”
Search for missing 8-month-old is now classified as a homicide, Indianapolis police say

G) It is stated that Amber is not a suspect and has been cooperative:

“Amiah's mother has been cooperative and is not a suspect, police said.”
Search for missing 8-month-old is now classified as a homicide, Indianapolis police say

H) “Police are asking for anyone, who saw a 1996 maroon Isuzu Rodeo SUV in "poor condition," to call the police tip's hotline 317-262-TIPS.”
Boyfriend named as a suspect in the disappearance of an 8-month-old Indianapolis baby: Police

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Sunday, March 24:

Firefighters were also called out around 7:15 p.m. Sunday to the same area, but called off the search when it became too dark for them to operate safely.“
Water search connected to missing Indy 8-month-old underway

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Monday, March 25:

Russ McQuaid
@RussMcQuaidNews
Divers enter the water at mariners village and pebble point Apts after unsuccessful Sunday night search called off by darkness in missing baby Amiah Robertson case
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9:39 AM · Mar 25, 2019 ·
Twitter

Crews search 2 locations for missing 8-month-old

Crews search west side pond for evidence in case of missing baby Amiah Robertson

“A water search in connection with the disappearance of 8-month-old Amiah Robertson wrapped up for the day Monday evening on the Indianapolis northwest side.

Authorities did not say whether they found anything that would lead them to Amiah.

Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department detectives and firefighters from several fire departments were called to a pond at the Mariner's Village Apartments just after 9:30 a.m.”

Snip

“Detectives were led to this area during the course of the investigation, law enforcement sources confirmed.

Detectives have been tracking down a number of leads across the city.

Fire department boats used side-scanning sonar technology that creates a picture or an image of what is at the bottom of the pond.

The crews are also utilizing divers to physically search underwater.

Firefighters were also called out around 7:15 p.m. Sunday to the same area, but called off the search when it became too dark for them to operate safely.“
Water search connected to missing Indy 8-month-old underway

“Law-enforcement crews on Monday searched two locations around the city in efforts to find 8-month-old Amiah Robertson.”

Snip

“A search using sonar, drones, cadaver dogs and divers turned up no leads on Monday in the search for Amiah. The girl's grandfather said he is not only worried about granddaughter, but also Amiah's mother.”
Crews search 2 locations for missing 8-month-old

Sierra Hignite‏ @SierraHigniteTV
AMIAH ROBERTSON: IFD, Wayne Township, and Pike Township conducted a water search today at an apartment complex on the far west side in relation to tips IMPD received on Amiahs disappearance. The search is complete and nothing was recovered. @WISH_TV

“Divers searched a west side pond Monday afternoon in connection with the case of missing baby Amiah Robertson.

According to the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department (IMPD), the Wayne Township Fire Department sent divers to a lake on Mariner Drive to look for potential evidence. The Indianapolis Fire Department and Pike Township Fire Department assisted in the effort, along with a canine.“

Snip

“The pond at the Pebble Point and Mariners Village Apartments is a couple miles northwest of that location. An IMPD homicide detective and fire department divers were at the scene for almost three hours Sunday night before darkness forced them to call off the search.

Monday's search, based on a tip, did not yield any clues.

After searching the pond Monday morning, Wayne Township firefighters then accompanied a search dog as it probed a wooded area behind the Addison Creek on Rockville Apartments and a nearby pond at the Ashton Pointe Apartments in what amounted to a proactive search of secluded areas in a part of town where IMPD believes Lyons travels.“
Crews search west side pond for evidence in case of missing baby Amiah Robertson

“Police dive crews were seen searching ponds and waterways over the weekend and Monday.”
Police in Indianapolis search waterway for missing 8-month-old

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Tuesday, March 26:

A) RL’s vehicle impound status returns to “STORED”
https://www.autoreturn.com/indianapolis-in/find-vehicle/details?vehicle=3037547

B) “Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department Lt. Bruce Smith said detectives have checked out about 40 tips related to the missing baby since a Saturday news conference, when it was announced the case was being investigated as a homicide. "Just because that particular lead doesn't provide evidence doesn't mean there's not value there," Smith said. "The more you eliminate, the more you narrow down and find the answers.""
Amiah Robertson missing: Police combing through leads, asking for help

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IN - IN - Amiah Robertson, 8 months, Indianapolis, 15 Mar 2019 #2

 

[CSIDreamer]

I dunno know why I thought he was basically unaccounted for for hours on end. This huge potential area for a body disposal doesn't strike me as a possibility any longer.

 

[margarita25]

I dunno know why I thought he was basically unaccounted for for hours on end. This huge potential area for a body disposal doesn't strike me as a possibility any longer.

Exactly, like I said there goes my distance chart after relistening to JB’s exact words with this question already in mind. I had wanted to refer to the transcript for this directly, but decided to just give the PC another listen to note any direct impressions.

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I hope that M/R is not an error as it turned out to be in Terrilynne’s case. Of course we should accept LE’s last seen and timerange for that day, but it bothers me to get tunnel vision on that—I’d like to expand the range on that area perhaps a few miles, and also look at the terrain and landscape of possible areas that may not have been searched yet by LE.

Noting ftr that even the areas searched once already in that vicinity (Monday the 25th water searches iirc) doesn’t necessarily guarantee that Amiah hasn’t been missed. We often see recoveries in an area that have already been searched.

(ETA:
Sorry for my typos in the post above, I’m cringing at them)

 

[pepper 34]

IMPD urges public to use caution when donating to causes surrounding missing 8-month-old

 

[Plo_Koon]

Timeline from Saturday, March 23rd PC:

I’m noting any points that we’ve have had questions about, bringing those quotes forward (I know @Kadoober has already transcribed this fully but I’d like to look and listen at this again a week later now that we’ve been able to process a little bit and discuss / question.

Saturday, March 16:
Roach:
•MP notified
(“That date id significant and you’ll know why when you listen to detective”)
•Enlisted help of homicide investigators (this a homicide investigation, has been all week since early on because things just didn’t add up)

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Tuesday, March 19:
• We let you all know / wanted to enlist help of community
•Silver Alert was done.
•SW served at a residence in hopes of gaining physical evidence &
•Additional interviews

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Wednesday, March 20:
•got a tip that @McCarty and BBM White River that there there were some child belongings that may or may not have belonged to Amiah...search...there were some items really close to the water, enlisted help of IFD, we collected some items from there.

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Thursday, March 21:
•expanded that search a little bit and went a little bit downstream, no additional information, just to be thorough

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Friday, March 22:
•group of community members unsolicited by us also went out and helped

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JB:

Saturday, March 9:
•”approx 1:15 last seen BBM alive and well ( @ageofaqaurius ) with RL in the 200 block of S Holmes...
vehicle info.

BBM “RL STAYED ON THE SW SIDE IF INDIANAPOLIS until 10pm when he returned back to the mother, AR, alone without Amiah” (there goes my distance range chart)...
•”Amber gave permission to stay with the baby sitter until the following morning.”
•”the baby sitter and the other witness saw RL leave her house at 1:15 with A.”

•”Since March 10 RL has taunted AR about A’s whereabouts.”

Saturday, March 23rd:
JB: “I’m asking the public to come forward if they saw RL or Amiah on March 9 or any day thereafter.”

BBM: “On March 9 he was in the area of Rockville road and Mapely Avenue BBM for an extended period of time so if you live in that area I would ask that you try to remember if you saw anything suspicious, saw RL, Amiah, or this truck.”

Re: “location site on McCarty and BBM Tibbs St, the items found on the bank have been identified as belonging to Amiah.”

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LS:
Again uses term “people” (imo “plural”), that were not providing good information. Some were, some weren’t. “They know who they are”...

Clearly plural, moo.

•Re: Criminal Charges:
“have been in communication with Marion Co. Prosecutor’s Office who ultimately decide what charges will be filed and who they would be filed against”...”so the ”persons” responsible for that is who we would look to be held accountable”.

Re: “clarity on timeline”:

“Arrested on the 17th in a BBM domestic related charge (ok I take my jab at the DM for using the word “domestic”, even though the charges listed are not domestic, JB clearly uses this word), “had noooothing to do with what we are talking about now. He was released.”

“As far as knowing his whereabouts this investigation is ongoing and I do not feel comfortable talking about what I’m doing with Robert Lyons.”

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BBM:
Reporter ?: Can you tell us a little bit more about this vehicle and when it was spotted over bout Rockville and M and what you think was going on over there, what’s in that part of town, why would somebody be driving around over there, does he know anybody over there, what is significant about that neighborhood and that day?:

JB:
“I’ll just tell you what is significant, it was approximately around 1:30 pm until about 8:30 in the evening on March 9th that he was in that area, there’s a food mart there, there are apartments there BBM and that’s as far as I want to go with that.”

(Inserted by me - Why? )

“Its R and M right there on the corner there’s a food mart and a laundromat and the Addison apartments.”

BBM:
?: “Is that an area that he frequents, he lives around over there, he knows people over there?”

JB: “It’s an area I know he was there on March 9, I’m not sure what he was doing and that’s why I’m asking for help, why he was in that area.”

?: “Should I assume then that you've either got people that spotted him over there, or maybe there’s surveillance video of that vehicle in the area?”

JB: “I think with the integrity of the investigation I would rather not answer that.”

(Again, why I ask, moo)

?: Based on the delay in reporting is AR a suspect?

LS: BBM “Not at this time”.

(Note: I have a question, M/R isn’t an hour and a half away from Holmes and/or Hamilton, so what was he doing between 8:30 and 10:00? Do they have evidence of him leaving thst area at 8:30? Sounds like they say 8:30 for a reason possibly, moo. But then she says above “stayed on the SW side until 10pm” above, (scratching head).

(-Note to pick up video at 11:51 / out of editing time on this post.)

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Now compare this to other timeline for any discrepancies via linked sources. Not seeing any off the top of my head (again, I have some additions/specific time order revisions and need to correct timestamp on Tuesday search to 12:40):

Qmfr:

Timeline Source:
IN - IN - Amiah Robertson, 8 months, Indianapolis, 15 Mar 2019 #2

Awesome job as usual, margarita!

 

[aimeea]

(Note: I have a question, M/R isn’t an hour and a half away from Holmes and/or Hamilton, so what was he doing between 8:30 and 10:00? Do they have evidence of him leaving thst area at 8:30? Sounds like they say 8:30 for a reason possibly, moo. But then she says above “stayed on the SW side until 10pm” above, (scratching head).

(RSBM) As always, amazing job on capturing all these details and also holy crap at catching that detail in particular! I wonder if they have a secondary source(s) who was able to confirm that he was with them between 8:30-10ish.

 

[margarita25]

Question, if “Amber gave permission to stay with the baby sitter until the following morning”, then this possibly indicates that AR (and RL?) were not staying at Holmes...?

And why would you give permission for the baby to stay overnight. This would have been Saturday, March 9. I’d be like no, I want my baby...

This is really really sad if RL was taunting her. So why didn't she call the police then? Maybe he blackmailed her or something...maybe re drugs idk...? The domestic incident referenced was not until Saturday the 16th, so if she was afraid of him, why? Does this mean he had abused her before? Does he have something big on her he was holding over her head? It would have to be something big to prevent her from calling the cops, moo.

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And what’s up with Motel 6.

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So trying some recalculations now on maximum travel distances based on the M/R location for 7 hours now (vs. 9 hours above), IN CASE he left that area (which it does not sound like he did, JB says “an extended period of time” (define “extended“), and say he returned at 8:30, what do those maximum distance figures look like based on the above formula?

ETA: (scrambling to edit for clarity, about to run out of time again, apologies in advance)

Was RL’s car maybe “parked” there (M/R) for 7 hours? If so, that would bring up these options/ thoughts:

a) Was Amiah’s body was left in the vehicle during this time and disposed of during the drive home?

Vs:

b) Did he leave the parked vehicle (IF it was parked) with Amiah and kill her elsewhere (and was his parked car visible or was it just captured as driving by, again IF there is even footage of his vehicle and we are to consider a “parked scenario”). Thinking about this further, Nah, she couldn’t have been alive on camera since they said last seen alive and well at 1:15.

So, thinking about this further, did they see any surveillance of RL and something on it to indicate she was dead?....“Homicide Investigation”?
Because supposedly there’s no way she could’ve been alive after that, meaning IF she’s seen on camera with RL then she was deceased to the best of LE’s assessment from the footage. Because alive and well at 1:15 means alive and well at 1:15, not 1:30...

Also, Could he have killed her during those 15 minutes, 115 to 130?
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Continuing from above:

c) IF he parked his car somewhere there, could he maybe have taken a bus to another location? (with or without her in tow, maybe a backpack, small suitcase, duffle)—
Is there a bus stop near there?

d) Did he maybe call someone to pick him up (who is maybe known or unknown to LE (is there a pay phone there? Or did he use his own phone to call someone, whom they’ve identified but are not releasing or they can’t find or identity?)
-this option would also lend itself towards “persons” notes re: LS’ verbiage.
E) so maybe he went and partied for 7 hours then he disposed of her on the way home between 8:30 and 10:00
(Thinking out loud).

Wait—-

Jumping off A, maybe he left with her alive (Holmes as we know), killed her at a second location, then went to a third location for the disposal.

So DUH, potentially we could be looking for TWO crimes scenes, not one (if we are to believe “the babysitter and the other witnesses” that she was alive when she left.

It would have to be that Unless he went to a location and killed her AND dumped her at the same spot (similar to CW’s recent assertions of B’s and C’s kill and disposal location being one in the same).

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It seems likely to me he was possibly visiting someone in those apartments.

How many units I wonder there. Looking it up.

 

[MsBetsy]

Thanks for the info. I thought the 1907 was where Amiyah’s belongings were found along the creek/river.

Yes, I think it is. In one of the videos by the neighbor on heavy.com, she says something that indicates 1907 being a river, and that bodies have been pulled out of there in the past.
It's probably a hangout place that may include the general area.
It is what Amber referred to as a place RL had been to and that's where she went and reported finding the items. Imo

 

[margarita25]

Grrr ran out of time above.

What happens to the trash from the dumpsters at M/R specifically:

Food Mart
Apartments
Laundromat

Incinerator or landfill, if so where and when? What’s their schedules?

Can we zoom in on those dumpsters, fwiw. Tia.

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Are there any parks or wooded areas near the M/R location? If so where and how far? Culverts...

Needle in a haystack.

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Here’s a big question I have, any chance RL was seeing another woman?

And, as I wondered about in Lucas’ case, IF there was drug activity, where did they go to get it? Or did they make it? Have it delivered?

Hypothetically IF they were in the presence where hypothetically meth would be being manufactured, that could cause serious illness to a baby, moo. Not to mention shady sorts coming and going and everything else bad and disgusting to do with meth, moo.

After watching the PC again, I wonder again who else is not being truthful as alluded to.

Is there a key person(s) who’s name(s) has not yet been released in this investigation, I wonder.

It is it possible they meant AR wasn’t being truthful in the beginning (“person”) But is cooperating now...but that wouldn’t fit with “they know who they are”...

I’m going to go snoop around places I don’t usually like to snoop for some clues on this.

 

[aimeea]

One thought I had... purely theory...

I wonder if someone saw Amiah harmed in the 200 block of Holmes and his presence in the Rockville/Mickley area is of interest purely in the interest of additional evidence removal (e.g. maybe he was at the laundromat trying to quickly get blood out of clothing? Would explain him being in the area for hours...)

I totally understand LE keeping what they have in their own hands for now but every day that passes I lose a little more hope that they’ll recover this baby, alive or dead

 

[sasha17]

Grrr ran out of time above.

What happens to the trash from the dumpsters at M/R specifically:

Food Mart
Apartments
Laundromat

Incinerator or landfill, if so where and when? What’s their schedules?

Can we zoom in on those dumpsters, fwiw. Tia.

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Are there any parks or wooded areas near the M/R location? If so where and how far.

Regarding the incinerator/landfill question:

Indianapolis cannot get its’ collective crap together and implement a true recycle program. It’s been talked about and voted down since the days of Mayor Goldsmith. Customers actually have to pay to recycle (facepalm)... and yep in Indy proper most waste goes to the Harding Street Incinerator


Unless you pay for the services of The South Side Landfill,
the Harding Street Incinerator
is the only option for municipal solid waste removal for the city of Indianapolis. Also known as The Indianapolis Resource Recovery Facility, the incinerator is managed by Covanta Indianapolis, Inc. As one of the largest incinerators in the nation, the facility processes 2,175 tons of solid waste per day, which in turn produces 4,500 pounds of steam. Citizens Thermal Energy (CTE) purchases around 70 percent of the steam to power 40 percent of the downtown heating loop. The heating loop is made up of almost all of downtown Indy’s businesses and institutions, including IUPUI and Eli Lilly (Covanta Energy 2012).
V515 Sustainable Communities- Fall 2012: Lesser of Two Evils: Indianapolis Waste Incineration

 

[margarita25]

One thought I had... purely theory...

I wonder if someone saw Amiah harmed in the 200 block of Holmes and his presence in the Rockville/Mickley area is of interest purely in the interest of additional evidence removal (e.g. maybe he was at the laundromat trying to quickly get blood out of clothing? Would explain him being in the area for hours...)

I totally understand LE keeping what they have in their own hands for now but every day that passes I lose a little more hope that they’ll recover this baby, alive or dead

Another specific question for LE (can we at least play the yes or no game lol?):

Yes or no questions for LE:

To your knowledge:
1. Did RL do laundry at that location?
2. Did he enter the food mart?
3. Does he know anyone at those apartments
4. Did traffic cameras capture his vehicle en route, if so where and when?
5. Is there any surveillance footage on RL on March 9:
6...

Wait a minute—-I know what it is possibly, his phone must’ve pinged there.

Note: Where’s the closest cellphone tower to that location? And which tower services near Holmes (if not the same tower)?

Cell tower map in progress
ETA:
FCC Registered Cell Phone and Antenna Towers in Indianapolis, Indiana

Small cell phone towers popping up in Indy

—interpreting cellphone tower data, that’s a whole nother ballgame.
—additionally, if this location is based on pings, then there is the “range involved” (1:30 to 8:30), which would require a start and end ping to determine. Again, I’m still not clear on the time between 8:30 and 10:00pm.

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“Addison Creek on Rockville is located on the west side of Indianapolis, right off of BBM I-465 and Rockville Road.”
Source: forrent.com

Noting AJ Thatcher Park near that location, there’s also Lynn Creek. I would imagine these areas have been searched...

(Again, Rhodius Park appears near 1907 W McCarty)

Seeing Gasoline Alley ( Sorry, talking out loud)

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Noting that the Eagle Creek Park itself appears to be 12 miles via Kessler:

http://www.eaglecreekpark.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Eagle-Creek-Park-State-Nature-Preserves.pdf

 

[aimeea]

Another specific question for LE (can we at least play the yes or no game lol?):

Yes or no questions for LE:

To your knowledge:
1. Did RL do laundry at that location?
2. Did he enter the food mart?
3. Does he know anyone at those apartments
4. Did traffic cameras capture his vehicle en route, if so where and when?
5. Is there any surveillance footage on RL on March 9:
6...

Wait a minute—-I know what it is possibly, his phone must’ve pinged there.

Note: Where’s the closest cellphone tower to that location? And which tower services near Holmes (if not the same tower)?

Cell tower map in progress

That would make so much more sense and why LE has been unable to specify where exactly in that area he was.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I just found this sad. And interesting, all things considered.

Kentucky, Indiana have highest child abuse rates in US

 

[margarita25]

I just found this sad. And interesting, all things considered.

Kentucky, Indiana have highest child abuse rates in US

Sad to read.

Additionally from above:

“Norton Children's Hospital said there are tips for parents and bystanders ahead of National Child Abuse Prevention Month in April:

If you feel yourself about to lose control with a child, know it’s OK to step away. Listen to your favorite song, take a few deep breaths or call a friend.

Keep a list of friends’ and family members’ phone numbers to call for support.

Learn the TEN-4 bruising rule: Children under age 4 should not have bruising on the torso, ears or neck. Infants who are not mobile rarely have any bruises.

If you know a parent who may be feeling stressed, offer to babysit so he or she can have a break for an hour or two.

Offer to run an errand for a neighbor with small children who has difficulty getting out of the house. A small gesture like that can greatly reduce stress for the parent.

If you see someone about to raise a hand to a child, you can help the situation. Even saying something like, “I remember when my child acted like that,” can break the tension and protect the child.

To report suspected child abuse in Kentucky, call 877-KY-SAFE1 (597-2331). In Indiana, call 800-800-5556. The National Child Abuse Hotline, 800-4-A-CHILD (422-4453), also offers professional crisis counselors who can provide intervention, information and referrals to emergency, social service and support resources.“

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Note to link DOT marker marker map
—estimate maximum distance in both directions of Hwy @ Rockville, I-465.

Check for tolls (cameras) and note exit side streets which may lead to wooded areas, water or are proximate to bridges.
Also note 70 and potential loops.

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Interstate 465 Indiana - Interstate-Guide.com

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Interstate 70 in Indiana - Wikipedia

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INDOT: Travel Information

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Check for any weatherbug, etc cameras

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Mark traffic light cams in vicinity and other business near M/R

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Pull up topographic/terrain map.

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Junkyards / sheds near @Rockville
—iirc a storage place was mentioned in a previous post.i wonder how wide of a radius LE has canvassed at M/R.

 

[pepper 34]

Possibly off topic but a body was found (news article dated 3-38)

I dunno know why I thought he was basically unaccounted for for hours on end. This huge potential area for a body disposal doesn't strike me as a possibility any longer.

There are so many places to successfully hide a small body right near the baby sitter's home for me to think anyone was motivated to travel any great distance to do so. It's taking a chance to drive to a "less familiar, less comfortable area with a deceased baby in the vehicle. The baby's items were found dumped along a nearby creek... a few streets away. After her death, I think the baby was disposed of very quickly and in familiar territory. "Just a quick run out" and back again. With all the businesses, restaurants, and apartment complexes along Washington and Rockville, it would take mere minutes to find a dumpster. The creeks and woods-y areas are all close by, too. Just a little over a mile is the faster moving White River with many woodsy areas along the banks.
This theory imo, is contingent upon the baby sitter's house or near that house being where the baby was killed. Items of the baby's could have ended up so nearby the sitter's house because those items, alone were removed from the baby sitter's house or area... and may or may not mean the baby, herself, was removed from that same house or area. Do we know, for sure, that the baby died at the baby sitter's house? JMO.

 

[Intrigued25]

Occam's razor (also Ockham's razor or Ocham's razor (Latin: novacula Occami); further known as the law of parsimony (Latin: lex parsimoniae)) is the problem-solving principle that essentially states that "simpler solutions are more likely to be correct than complex ones." When presented with competing hypotheses to solve a problem, one should select the solution with the fewest assumptions

 

[raja]

I believe it is also used for prostitution, this may play a part in the case as well. People who use drugs often will exploit themselves or others in order to make money. Perhaps Robbie had a girl working for him and offered to arrange child care in order to enable her to stay at the hotel for a few days

Trying to be delicate with wording, please delete if not within WS rules.

I think you are on the money with this post. This may be going on in other places as well like the Waterfront Inn (although it is a much nicer hotel with pool). This is all MHO only.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Possibly off topic but a body was found (news article dated 3-38)

What? Where?