Identified! IN - Angola, WhtFem, 180UFIN, 30-50, Pachuco Cross tattoo, Sept 1999 - Tina Cabanaw

  • #21
deputylinda said:
hi Dark Knight...since you asked me to read and comment, i will offer ONLY MY OPINION/EDUCATED GUESS. she was a hooker/hitch-hiker in all likelihood, and frequented truck stops. she was the victim of a common garden-variety American phenomena...the traveling/trucker serial killer. there are so many out there it would scare the pants off you if you knew how many. they work with impunity and vanish into the night. it has all the earmarks. and there was no connection between them because he did not attempt to bury her or remove identifying jewelry. these guys do it because they can and because it's easy pickings. they know they won't be caught. it's 'fun', spices up life on the otherwise boring road. JMO :twocents:
Thanks DL for taking the time to read it and analyze it. But what a depressing conclusion, as I assume that would mean the odds of solving the crime, especially 5 years after the fact, is almost zero, correct?
 
  • #22
messiecake said:
I agree 100% Linda.

I know there are some honest,decent truckers out there * BUT* there is also a very large,very scary and violent trucker subculture.
Ive heard about unspeakable things(worse than that movie"Breakdown") which occur way more than most people know because they lead this nomadic life crisscrossing the country.
I can't put it better than DL's " they work with impunity".
How depressing. But thanks for the input! And nice to meet ya!
 
  • #23
Dark Knight said:
Thanks DL for taking the time to read it and analyze it. But what a depressing conclusion, as I assume that would mean the odds of solving the crime, especially 5 years after the fact, is almost zero, correct?
less than zero. these guys pick females who are unlikely to ever be missed by anyone, the throwaways of society. no discussions on the news except locally, briefly. oh, the tattoo...i can almost guarantee she got it in jail. reality can be depressing, i know. but this female also made some choices for herself along the way. not blaming the victim! but our lifestyle can place us in harm's way.
 
  • #24
deputylinda said:
less than zero. these guys pick females who are unlikely to ever be missed by anyone, the throwaways of society. no discussions on the news except locally, briefly. oh, the tattoo...i can almost guarantee she got it in jail. reality can be depressing, i know. but this female also made some choices for herself along the way. not blaming the victim! but our lifestyle can place us in harm's way.
Well this got plenty of regional attention, not just local, even with follow ups a year or so, ago, plus the FBI got involved, but it sure looks like no one ever looked for her.

Why do I remember investigators being so interested in her Lucky Star watch? I remember searching the net about it, too? Anything ring a bell, there?
 
  • #25
Dark Knight said:
Well this got plenty of regional attention, not just local, even with follow ups a year or so, ago, plus the FBI got involved, but it sure looks like no one ever looked for her.

Why do I remember investigators being so interested in her Lucky Star watch? I remember searching the net about it, too? Anything ring a bell, there?
when the feebs (FBI) get involved it means they suspect interstate transport of victim, they never involve themselves in local murders. so it bears out...they suspect trucker/traveling serial killer. watch rings no bells for me. but i am not out there.
 
  • #26
If she were in prison when she got the tatoo maybe the place to start is by sending her photo around to area prisons to see if someone recognizes her. It's probably hard, though, if you don't know where she's from. Start close and spread out. I think it's cool you are interested in this and want to help.
 
  • #27
gardenmom said:
If she were in prison when she got the tatoo maybe the place to start is by sending her photo around to area prisons to see if someone recognizes her. It's probably hard, though, if you don't know where she's from. Start close and spread out. I think it's cool you are interested in this and want to help.
hi gardenmom, lovely lady! i said jail , not prison, and there are a million jails. the "photo" is just a reconstruction. she looks like a thousand others. without prints to submit to NCIC it's pretty useless. and knowing who she is might be nice if someone cared about her and was searching...but won't connect her with her killer... because she did not know her killer. gruesome facts that most nice people like you don't encounter. thankfully. xoxoxox
 
  • #28
Thanks both gardenmom and DL. I realize she was likely a prostitute or had some other criminal history, but she is still a person, so that is why I wish it could be solved.

Her poor dental history was something I found interesting. Sure made it sound like she was a transient of some sort. Although that wouldn't do much for her business if she WAS a hooker. And a previously broken nose, too, possibly from a bad encounter or relationship.
 
  • #29
Dark Knight said:
Thanks both gardenmom and DL. I realize she was likely a prostitute or had some other criminal history, but she is still a person, so that is why I wish it could be solved.

Her poor dental history was something I found interesting. Sure made it sound like she was a transient of some sort. Although that wouldn't do much for her business if she WAS a hooker. And a previously broken nose, too, possibly from a bad encounter or relationship.
um, er, hmm, how can i put this delicately...no teeth means higher price, by about a buck. sorry. i had to say it. i always get myself in trouble. :doh:
 
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  • #31
Dark Knight said:
Her poor dental history was something I found interesting. Sure made it sound like she was a transient of some sort.

This reminded me immediately of one of my relatives. While not a transient by any means, she has a host of mental illnesses, and her teeth (among other things) have paid the price. Might be another angle to consider...
 
  • #32
For amandab

:clap:
 
  • #33
Jeana (DP) said:
Thanks Lanie!! That other link took me to a website for black women!! LOL Was the bra the only clothing of any kind found with her?
Yes, besides the jewelry.
 
  • #34
Dark Knight said:
Yes, besides the jewelry.


Thanks. Do you know if there was any "animal activity" on her (i.e., were bones missing or scattered around)?
 
  • #35
Jeana (DP) said:
Thanks. Do you know if there was any "animal activity" on her (i.e., were bones missing or scattered around)?
I don't recall. We have plenty of scavangers in these parts, so it'd surprise me if there wasn't some. The pictures I saw were only of parts of her body, so hard to tell. Arms and hands where intact, anyways. What did you have in mind?
 
  • #36
amandab said:
This reminded me immediately of one of my relatives. While not a transient by any means, she has a host of mental illnesses, and her teeth (among other things) have paid the price. Might be another angle to consider...
Good insight, thanks!
 
  • #37
Dark Knight said:
I don't recall. We have plenty of scavangers in these parts, so it'd surprise me if there wasn't some. The pictures I saw were only of parts of her body, so hard to tell. Arms and hands where intact, anyways. What did you have in mind?


Just trying to get the full picture. I don't want to get too graphic, but I don't think hands are arms are the first places that animals would spend time on.
 
  • #38
Hi, I'm still kinda new at the site, but I love a mystery. This is a "doe" that has been seen quite a bit. I have wondered if what kind of leads or follow-ups they may have with the tat and jewelry.

Is it possible, that the watch could have come from the "Lucky Star" casino? The casinos I have been to have promo gifts like watches. The Lucky Star casino is in Clinton, OK and Concho, OK. These are enterprised by the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes. Does anyone know what the picture on the watch face is?

The tattoo seems to be Mexican in origin, but maybe it has nothing to do with in relations to a Hispanic spouse or gang relations. The tattoo/symbol can be seen on the hand of a scene of art on Frank Zappa's album, "One size fits all".

It is referred as symbol that a Mexican American or Roman Catholic may have tatooed on his hand(on the album it's located on the hand).
The meaning of the symbol in this reference would be a cross with the three lines representing the Holy Trinity-The Father, The Son, the Holy Ghost. This cross also appears on the cover of Zappa's album of "Absolutely Free".

So, could be a possiblity that the tattoo, could have a religious meaning for her or could she have been a fan of Frank Zappa?
 
  • #39
sarainak said:
Hi, I'm still kinda new at the site, but I love a mystery. This is a "doe" that has been seen quite a bit. I have wondered if what kind of leads or follow-ups they may have with the tat and jewelry.

Is it possible, that the watch could have come from the "Lucky Star" casino? The casinos I have been to have promo gifts like watches. The Lucky Star casino is in Clinton, OK and Concho, OK. These are enterprised by the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes. Does anyone know what the picture on the watch face is?

The tattoo seems to be Mexican in origin, but maybe it has nothing to do with in relations to a Hispanic spouse or gang relations. The tattoo/symbol can be seen on the hand of a scene of art on Frank Zappa's album, "One size fits all".

It is referred as symbol that a Mexican American or Roman Catholic may have tatooed on his hand(on the album it's located on the hand).
The meaning of the symbol in this reference would be a cross with the three lines representing the Holy Trinity-The Father, The Son, the Holy Ghost. This cross also appears on the cover of Zappa's album of "Absolutely Free".

So, could be a possiblity that the tattoo, could have a religious meaning for her or could she have been a fan of Frank Zappa?
Hi Sarainak! I think the casino idea is a GREAT lead, their logo is quite similar to the watch face, from what I can tell! I may pass that along to LE. The extra info on the pachuco cross is also tremendous!! Thank you so much!!! Have you seen this "doe" in the news, before?

I tried blowing up and zooming in on the watch face and back with no luck. But the logo on back does seem similar to the casino's, as I said. Maybe an old logo of theirs?
 
  • #40
Ok, read this story, compare it to the facts in our Jane Doe case, along with the information that websleuthers have posted, and tell me just how similar this sounds:

Sam Lewin 9/21/2004

Police are describing a Nebraska man arrested for rape as a “person of interest” in a series of slayings in the South and Midwest, with American Indian women a disproportionately high number of the victims.

Carl Lawson, a 32-year-old Lincoln resident, was taken into custody this month. A trucker, Lawson faces rape, kidnapping and assault with intent to kill charges stemming from the alleged abduction of a woman from a truck stop in Oklahoma County, Oklahoma. The 51-year-old woman reported to investigators that Lawson told her "you can bite me, scratch. The first three or four I killed. It bothered me, but I kinda like it now."

She says she was raped and beaten, eventually passing out during the assault. When she came to she was on the side of an interstate. A passing motorist picked her up.

Lawson has denied the accusations, saying he struck the woman following a dispute over drugs and money.

His protest aside, officials with both the Oklahoma City Police Department and the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation say they are looking at Lawson in connection with a series of unsolved slayings that have baffled investigators, a case so complicated that officials are not sure how many victims there are or even how many killers are involved.

One thing is certain: many of the known victims were Native American and most are believed to have worked as prostitutes. Casey Jo Pipestem is one example. A passing motorist discovered the nude body of Pipestem, 19, on January 31 in the Texas town of Grapevine. Officials say she was choked to death and her body then dumped from a bridge. Pipestem was a member of the Seminole Tribe.

At least four victims were last seen at a truck stop, and at least three were strangled. Some were also sexually assaulted. The bodies were found near highways and creeks in Arkansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas and Indiana.

Not all suspected victims of the killer have been identified. Police are still looking for help in learning the name of a woman found dead on Oct. 15 of last year in Gray County, Texas. She is described as an American Indian about 40 years old, about 5 feet, 6 inches tall and 140 pounds. She had black hair and brown eyes and was last seen wearing a man's plaid shirt and tan slacks the day before at a truck stop in Sayre, Oklahoma. Witnesses recall that she was looking for a ride.

The most recent killing appears to be Jennifer Hyman, 24, of Oklahoma City, last seen at an Oklahoma City truck stop. Hyman, a prostitute, was found nude and strangled below a Tallahatchie River bridge near Oxford, Miss. on Aug. 20.

Lawson’s home in Lincoln has been searched and some items seized. His bail is currently set at $3 million.

 

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