In Defense of Mary Lacy

[Pedro]

Anyone know the financial tally yet?? How much did this whole ordeal cost Boulder and the rest of us???????? Couldn't have been cheap. It's a shame for anyone to end their career with such a stunt, but Lacy should have known better.

We should know soon the cost of "Mary's Thai experience" soon and I hope the constituents of that County scream at high heaven for her immediate removal from office and her investigation at the hands of the pertinent disciplinary committee in that state.

 

[Pedro]

I,m extremely puzzled why this woman is being subjected to such vitriol, from some of you...
A man was insinuating in emails that he had, at most, killed a child, or at least, had inside knowledge of the crime...he then went on worldwide TV & made a "confession"....
Was the DA to say "He`s a nutter, lets just ignore him".....???????????

Rightttttttttttttttttttttttt!

It just seems that if the powers that be, dont go along with the theories, you believe....you are yelling "lop off their heads".......
Alice in Wonderland is just fiction, people...we are dealing with REAL life here...the woman was DOING her job!

Inside knowledge of the case? Nothing I didn't knew 4 or 5 years ago and most of it for about 6 or 7 years now, and much of it since early 1997.

Right, that is what a DA with a functional brain would have said ; "The guy is nutzs, inform the Thai authorities so they can keep him away from children and lets get a DNA sample"

Help me Jesuszzzzzzzzz!

 

[Pedro]

>IWell, at least for once it wasn't Bush's fault LOL!

Yes, it was, it ALWAYS is I can find a way...

 

[Show Me]

Lacy admitted didn't even read the autopsy report or she'd know the bracelet was public knowledge............which was one factor on why she had Karr arrested.

and she's the DA? She stated reporters had more resources and knew more about the case? DOES SHE KNOW ANYTHING ON THIS CASE OTHER THAN WHAT TRACEY AND WOODY TELL HER?

She stated she was friends with Patsy so she attended her funeral and later said she wasn't friends.

SHE'S GOT TO GOOOOOOOOOOOO....what a joke!

 

[Pedro]

What did this woman do that was so wrong? A lot of the vilification of her is because the source of the emails was Tracey. If they had come from someone else, then everything would be ok and a lot of people would be thanking the DA for following up on the lead. The vilifying of Mary Lacy is because of one person...Michael Tracey. Yes, he's a but a broken clock is right atleast twice a day.

If you want to discuss botched police investigations, please PM me and I will tell you all about the murder of one of my closest relatives. Seriously, the crime scene was so botched that when we went out there two weeks later, pieces of her burnt skin and hair were still lying on the ground. Talk about crime scene cleanup. I just have a unique perspective on this that I hope no one will ever have to suffer thru. Even bad press for a case is still press. I've seen the killer of my relative out on the street and everytime her name is mentioned in the paper...he gets nervous...even 15+ years later.

This isn't that bad for the investigation...if she had charged him, it probably would have been the death nail. This is no different than bringing in a suspect for questioning. The reason it garnered so much attention was because it involved child , extradiction, and a nutcase. From the beginning, the BDA was saying let us investigate...let us find out the truth. They didn't go out proclaiming to have captured Al Capone or something. No one ever officially said, we've captured the killer of JBR.

The problem with Mary Lacy is that she isn't good with public relations. She's not an eloquent speaker or bullsh*tter. But, Nine times out of Ten when you're dealing with people like that...they KNOW their jobs and they're damn good at them too. Being in law school, i just hear things about her from professors who know her or who have worked with her and all have said she has a brilliant legal mind. And, yes, this case has been discussed to the nth degree to the point that its repetitive.

1. - Wasted taxpayers money.
2. - Arrested a man for nothing with no evidence beyond delusional mamnbo jambo.
3. - Trusting Tracey.
4. - Failing to show the lowest acceptable level of diligence.
5. - Failing to resign today, on the spot.

 

[Chebrock]

My opinion is that Mary Lacy did the right thing. I can understand why she did what she did and I actually think she did a good thing for society as well. I dont understand the vitriol myself. I think I may send her an email and tell her so. She took a dangerous creep off the street if nothing else. Also, if I had been in her shoes I would have arrested him also. She did the right thing. There is no doubt about it and after listening to the news conference I am even more convinced of it. I actually think Tracey did an admirable thing also trying to get the scoop on the creep. I don't know what his motives were but he did a good thing. I would have been sick just listening and corresponding with such a inhuman piece of junk. At least this creep will be watched til his dying day.

I realize I've been upset about Mary Lacey and Michael Tracey recently as well, but after reading some of Karr's emails and listening to part of the press conference, I have to agree with Chiquita2.

If I was in either one of their places, I probably would have done something as well.

At least Lacey did SOMETHING! Even if it was wrong. Everyone is entitled to mistakes, unfortunately Michael Tracey has had just a few too many but I would give Lacey a little more slack.

 

[FactorFiction]

Sometimes I wonder if people are just ignorant of the truth in this case or actually a part of the problem. If you have an agenda, it will be found out here. Welcome to Websleuths

Thanks for the welcome! I have actually been reading websleuths for a LONG time now...it wasn't till recently that I decided to join in the discussion because of time constraints. I have no agenda other than ensuring that victims receive justice hence the reason I chose the legal profession. Which is another reason that I cringe when I see that a DA is blasted for following a lead. No matter how farfetched it may seem. If I have learned anything these past few years it is that lawyers do not think the same way as others. There is usually method behind the madness. Yes, I am aware of Lacy's stance towards the Ramsey's. I have my own thoughts on her reasons. Just to state up front, I tend to believe that the Ramsey's didn't do but that doesn't mean that I dismiss the possibility.

My own theory is that Tracey was about to go public with those emails via book, newspaper, etc. If that is what happened then it was a no win situation. Unfortunately, a large majority of the country isn't informed on what a fraud Michael Tracy is. If those emails came out and BDA didn't investigate, the media would jumped all over it. Just like they did when they did investigate. While i respect the work that Steve Thomas did on the case...i think he also has a level of bias that exists based on his own experiences.

 

[Pedro]

Difference: Tracey was not elected by the people to represent their interests, Mary L was!

Mary L's responsibility is much higher.

 

[justice2]

Difference: Tracey was not elected by the people to represent their interests, Mary L was!

Mary L's responsibility is much higher.

Agreed.

But think about him the next time you send your kid off to college. While I'm not saying all college professors are like that, I'll say I'm not surprised at the whole situation. Colleges are just about as political as governments.

 

[Seeker]

In this case Lacy was probably between a rock & a hard place. If she did nothing she would be attacked as well as for what she did do.

However, there is no excuse for the kid gloves used with this potential murder suspect, nor with the lavish and extravegant meals he was served. You treat a self confessed murderer like the filthy piece of scum they are. They don't get any perks.

It's not like this guy was in custody and coerced into saying what he did, so he shouldn't have been treated as well as he was.

Lacy needs to know HER case, the case she helped get via Lin Wood's threats to sue BPD (just so he could get what he wanted which IMO was a full and previously undisclosed copy of the entire case file) unless it was turned over to the DA's office.

Lacy is an idiot IMO. She not only didn't check this out thouroughly, but she never invested any time in researching the case that she has total and unfettered access to, or into the "professor" and his previous antics before she makes decisions on how to waste the taxpayer's money.

I think she should have to reimburse Boulder personally and she should file obstruction as well as other charges against Tracey and LOCK HIM UP!

It wasn't John Ramsey who had to "grow a brain". It was the BDA and her subordinates and they still need to.

And no, I am SOOOOOO not done ranting about this...

 

[Elberethe]

Thanks for the welcome! I have actually been reading websleuths for a LONG time now...it wasn't till recently that I decided to join in the discussion because of time constraints. I have no agenda other than ensuring that victims receive justice hence the reason I chose the legal profession. Which is another reason that I cringe when I see that a DA is blasted for following a lead. No matter how farfetched it may seem. If I have learned anything these past few years it is that lawyers do not think the same way as others. There is usually method behind the madness. Yes, I am aware of Lacy's stance towards the Ramsey's. I have my own thoughts on her reasons. Just to state up front, I tend to believe that the Ramsey's didn't do but that doesn't mean that I dismiss the possibility.

My own theory is that Tracey was about to go public with those emails via book, newspaper, etc. If that is what happened then it was a no win situation. Unfortunately, a large majority of the country isn't informed on what a fraud Michael Tracy is. If those emails came out and BDA didn't investigate, the media would jumped all over it. Just like they did when they did investigate. While i respect the work that Steve Thomas did on the case...i think he also has a level of bias that exists based on his own experiences.

We all have some level of bias based on our experiences. The problem begins when one allows that bias to cloud their better judgement. I know how lawyers think. I also have a legal background. I left the legal field because of how lawyers think. There is my bias. Admittedly, I may have over-reacted and there is good and bad in everything. I have a history of biases, however. We all do.

It takes a really special person, like Steve Thomas, to set those bias aside and follow the evidence to its logical conclusion. I can't give Lacy a free pass on this one. She has a long history of bias too. She had other options available to her for what she became privy to. She didn't bring Karr back because she wanted a dangerous pedophile brought to Justice. She brought him back because she truely believed he was the intruder. She should pursue ALL LEADS (including no intruder leads) as vigorously as she pursued this one. Perhaps then, I could see her just following up on a good lead.

I really don't care what the fallout would have been to her and the DA's office if Tracey released his information. That shouldn't be her concern either. Again, this case isn't about her and her Political future .. it is about Justice for JBR. Many have sacrificed their careers and suffered terrible attacks against their character because they pursue a course of true Justice in this case. I have no sympathy for someone who would haul a mentally disturbed man to Colorado on a hunch he might know something about a case just to avoid being embarrassed should he come to light in the media. Moreover, it wouldn't have taken much basic investigative work to know that she would wind up with egg on her face anyway. Perhaps that is just her bias showing.

 

[fundiva]

I was just listening to Banfield & Ford on Court TV. They were talking to experts who indicated that all the information about this case is on the internet and that there are groups who have already dissected all the facts....they even mentioned Websleuths.com by name!

 

[Elberethe]

In this case Lacy was probably between a rock & a hard place. If she did nothing she would be attacked as well as for what she did do.

However, there is no excuse for the kid gloves used with this potential murder suspect, nor with the lavish and extravegant meals he was served. You treat a self confessed murderer like the filthy piece of scum they are. They don't get any perks.

It's not like this guy was in custody and coerced into saying what he did, so he shouldn't have been treated as well as he was.

Lacy needs to know HER case, the case she helped get via Lin Wood's threats to sue BPD (just so he could get what he wanted which IMO was a full and previously undisclosed copy of the entire case file) unless it was turned over to the DA's office.

Lacy is an idiot IMO. She not only didn't check this out thouroughly, but she never invested any time in researching the case that she has total and unfettered access to, or into the "professor" and his previous antics before she makes decisions on how to waste the taxpayer's money.

I think she should have to reimburse Boulder personally and she should file obstruction as well as other charges against Tracey and LOCK HIM UP!

It wasn't John Ramsey who had to "grow a brain". It was the BDA and her subordinates and they still need to.

And no, I am SOOOOOO not done ranting about this...

Seeker, when one finds themselves between a rock and hard place, the best action to take is the right one. There is always an option which is better. She missed it. Moreover, Lacy finds herself in that position of her own doing. Make your bed; sleep in it.

You rant and I will continue to strum a tune titled "No sympathy for BDA" ......

 

[Show Me]

Lacy needs to quit listening to the Ramseys lawyer Lin Wood.
Lacy needs to quit listening to the Ramseys friend Tracey who does intruder theory documentaries.
Lacy needs to quit listening to Lou Smit who prayed with Patsy and declared her innocent.
Lacy needs to quit attending funerals and consulting the Ramseys on the facts of the case.
Lacy needs to give the case BACK to the Boulder cops who have NOT ruled out the Ramseys.

Actually lacy needs to go and an UNBIASED DA who might actually know the facts of the case, take Lacy's place.

 

[Elberethe]

I was just listening to Banfield & Ford on Court TV. They were talking to experts who indicated that all the information about this case is on the internet and that there are groups who have already dissected all the facts....they even mentioned Websleuths.com by name!

I have often wondered if there is anything still secret, but I find myself thinking it isn't likely. Everything was shared with the BDA who in turn shared it with the Defense who in turn shared it with the likes of Tracey, Smit who in turn shared it with......

I think my chances of winning the lottery are greater then there still being "yet to be disclosed information" in this case.

 

[BBB167893]

She's got to go!

 

[Elberethe]

She's got to go!

Boulder can keep her .. they deserve her. The case needs to go. Go to an independant investigator. Get the case away from Boulder = hope for Justice for JBR. Not that I think they can ever bring the guilty party to Justice. She has met her maker and I'm sure accounted for her crimes.

 

[Seeker]

Lacy's term doesn't expire until 2009. She'll try to hang onto this case for as long as she can. If you wonder why she's so inept and corrupt it's because she was hand picked by Hunter to replace him when he finally vacated the office.

She's worthless. Too bad the people of Boulder don't seem to care as much as some of us do. They voted her in after all....

Boulder is probably the next most corrupt city in the entire US ranking right under Washington DC.

 

[BBB167893]

Seeker, there's an old saying: you get the government you deserve.

 

[Actspeaklouder]

Thanks for the welcome! I have actually been reading websleuths for a LONG time now...it wasn't till recently that I decided to join in the discussion because of time constraints. I have no agenda other than ensuring that victims receive justice hence the reason I chose the legal profession. Which is another reason that I cringe when I see that a DA is blasted for following a lead. No matter how farfetched it may seem. If I have learned anything these past few years it is that lawyers do not think the same way as others. There is usually method behind the madness. Yes, I am aware of Lacy's stance towards the Ramsey's. I have my own thoughts on her reasons. Just to state up front, I tend to believe that the Ramsey's didn't do but that doesn't mean that I dismiss the possibility.

My own theory is that Tracey was about to go public with those emails via book, newspaper, etc. If that is what happened then it was a no win situation. Unfortunately, a large majority of the country isn't informed on what a fraud Michael Tracy is. If those emails came out and BDA didn't investigate, the media would jumped all over it. Just like they did when they did investigate. While i respect the work that Steve Thomas did on the case...i think he also has a level of bias that exists based on his own experiences.

Can't say that I was upset with Ms. Lacy’s decision to bring this pathetic, psychotic pedophile back to the U.S; with one exception. I believe that Karr could have had his DNA taken here is sunny California and the results forwarded to the D.A.’s office. Had she done so, I am of the opinion that she wouldn’t have taken nearly the flaming she has, to date. :truce:


After reading the majority of the emails (that the D.A. requested Tracey to continue; who also made an agreement NOT to write about same), there is no doubt, whatsoever, that this quasi-being has committed some type of sexual crime against a child, or would have.

I’ve read some post where some have suggested that he should have been left in Thailand . . . I find this somewhat disturbing. It leads me to believe some hold the opinion that as long as he molests/abuses children outside of our country, no problemo (outta sight, outta mind?). Karr is,in fact, an American citizen AND a fugitive from OUR justice system. Odds are, he didn’t committed any serious crime(s) against Thai children (yet) that he could be held for (keep in mind this country is known for turning its back on children being sold for sex). Once released from serving his time in Sonoma County, I’m of the opinion that John Karr has pretty well guaranteed that he will be unable to go anywhere, unnoticed. I am also of the opinion, if left unchecked, this animal will, in fact, fulfill his sick sadistic animal fantasies, one day.


It is for these reasons that I thank you Ms Lacy.

Doesn’t everyone feel better knowing that there is one least sicko perverted being exposed, making it more difficult for him to prey on children . . . no matter where they live? :waitasec:


BTW . . . According to Ms Lacy, their office has investigated approx. 200 suspects without media intervention/scrutiny and would have preferred to keep the dealings with Karr the same way. Had one cable from the Justice Department to (I believe) ICE not been read/intercepted (by, gawd only knows, who?), I believe the Karr Fiasco would not have occurred.



JMHO :angel: