IN IN - Herbert Richard Baumeister AKA Brian Smart Preyed on Gay Men - Remains Found at Fox Hollow Farm - Possibly I-70 IN/OH Serial Killer

HB had a thing for urine as a kid, IRCC - urolagnia or urophilia. He looks primed for peeing on something in that HS photo with classmates.

More reading, if posted previously, apologies:


Perhaps it was that same German-Hoosier work ethic that propelled Dr. Herbert E. Baumeister through medical school, then from the modest suburbs of Butler-Tarkington where his children were born throughout the 1940s and 50s to the Northern suburbs of Washington Township. He provided a comfortable life for his four children, who all appeared to be happy kids.

That was, until his eldest, also named Herb, began to have some trouble fitting in as a young man. He showed an interest in dead animals and gory subjects, repelling friends. He had urinated on a teacher’s desk, and then left a dead crow that he’d found on the playground on the same desk. He had outbursts in class. Teachers contacted his parents for help.

Ultimately, he was diagnosed with a combination of schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder. It’s unclear what kind of treatment they sought to help little Herb, but shock therapy was the most popular remedy of the day. He returned to some semblance of normalcy for a few years, though still ostracized from friends because of his macabre interests. Herb enrolled in Indiana University in 1965, but dropped out in his first semester, repeating the pattern again in 1967 at his father’s behest. During his second failed attempt at college, Herb met his future wife, Julie, whom he would marry in 1971 — the same year Herb’s father had him involuntarily committed for undisclosed reasons.


MOO
 
Welcome to Ws @nancradrew!
This pic?
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Herbert Richard "Herb" Baumeister in his North Central High School Yearbook photo from 1965.
Next to this image in the yearbook, it states,.
"HERB BAUMEISTER-Biology Club 3; Geology Club 3; Government Club 4; International Relations Club 4; Beginning Chess Club 4." [Source]
 
I know Baumeister's wife and kids spent a lot of time away at their lake house, but how did they never notice anything amiss at the home? Did his kids never venture into the woods? Mine would be playing in the woods all the time if we had wooded property like that! I know his son found bones once, but just that once? With how many bones were found by investigators, I don't know how the kids didn't find more. No one smelled or saw evidence of decomposing bodies? No one in the family ever noticed the burn pile? It just seems so bizarre to have so many bodies on the property yet apparently the family never knew.
 
I know Baumeister's wife and kids spent a lot of time away at their lake house, but how did they never notice anything amiss at the home? Did his kids never venture into the woods? Mine would be playing in the woods all the time if we had wooded property like that! I know his son found bones once, but just that once? With how many bones were found by investigators, I don't know how the kids didn't find more. No one smelled or saw evidence of decomposing bodies? No one in the family ever noticed the burn pile? It just seems so bizarre to have so many bodies on the property yet apparently the family never knew.
Yeah, I agree- It's very odd.. I also find it odd that there's conflicting reports of when the skull & bones were found.. But, I'm even more baffled to learn that the wife isn't the one that reported this-- Instead, it was her Divorce lawyer.
 
I know Baumeister's wife and kids spent a lot of time away at their lake house, but how did they never notice anything amiss at the home? Did his kids never venture into the woods? Mine would be playing in the woods all the time if we had wooded property like that! I know his son found bones once, but just that once? With how many bones were found by investigators, I don't know how the kids didn't find more. No one smelled or saw evidence of decomposing bodies? No one in the family ever noticed the burn pile? It just seems so bizarre to have so many bodies on the property yet apparently the family never knew.
Bodies were burned when they were away - evidently nothing to smell or (sorry for this) they got used to it when they were around. People I know who live near animal rendering plants don’t smell what I smell when driving into that particular town. They’ve gotten used to the smell when it’s around.

JMO
 
I use to think Herb was a good suspect being I-70 killer, But I don't think he is a good fit for those crimes. You really have to force a round peg into a sqaure hole to make him fit for those crimes.

He Is probably a much better chance that he was the Strangler. But even with that I think odds are is was just some other offender. With there own MO.
 
I use to think Herb was a good suspect being I-70 killer, But I don't think he is a good fit for those crimes. You really have to force a round peg into a sqaure hole to make him fit for those crimes.

He Is probably a much better chance that he was the Strangler. But even with that I think odds are is was just some other offender. With there own MO.
So, it turns out.. (this is what I was confused about as well)

There was the
“I-70 Strangler”
AND
“I-70 Killer”

I believe WS only has the I-70 Killer thread on here.
 
It’s weird because the strangler cases take place over a 11 year period. Big gaps between those murders.

Arguably, you could say Herb’s timeline with his killings which take over the same time period fit pretty well, at face value. I 70 killer spree was such a blitz spree one month and it’s basically over if you don’t count the later crimes which are attributed to him.

Herb and the Strangler going to gay bars to find victims is a notable similarity or maybe just a coincidence between two different offenders who were targetting men and gay bars were just the easy target.

If Herb wasnt so active I would probably just discount him, and say it was two different offenders.

I need to find a good comparison of the 3 different case/crime timelines to have a better understanding of how good or not they match and fit up with each other.
 
It’s weird because the strangler cases take place over a 11 year period. Big gaps between those murders.

Arguably, you could say Herb’s timeline with his killings which take over the same time period fit pretty well, at face value. I 70 killer spree was such a blitz spree one month and it’s basically over if you don’t count the later crimes which are attributed to him.

Herb and the Strangler going to gay bars to find victims is a notable similarity or maybe just a coincidence between two different offenders who were targetting men and gay bars were just the easy target.

If Herb wasnt so active I would probably just discount him, and say it was two different offenders.

I need to find a good comparison of the 3 different case/crime timelines to have a better understanding of how good or not they match and fit up with each other.
I-70 Killer was forcing women (& 1 man, but presumed the killer thought that it was a woman initially) to the back of stores before shooting them ‘execution-style.’

I-70 Strangler : ugggh there’s so much diff info I may just make a thread for it
 
I signed up for Hulu just to watch this, and "Flow" next. I finished watching the new miniseries, and as for Mark Goodyear, I have no idea if he's guilty, of this or anything else, but he sure was weird. No wonder people didn't take his warnings seriously!
 
I signed up for Hulu just to watch this, and "Flow" next. I finished watching the new miniseries, and as for Mark Goodyear, I have no idea if he's guilty, of this or anything else, but he sure was weird. No wonder people didn't take his warnings seriously!
The part that gets me about him is when he talks about knowing his ‘friend’ just to learn, that same friend said he was there when Herb shot at him .. demeanor changed
 
Hi! So I stumbled across something maybe? Apologies if it has been posted already (I don’t think so?) - it’s a write up of Baumeister and fox hollow. Rob Graves and Mark Goodyear both appear in the comments if you scroll down. from some years ago:

Herb Baumeister
 
Hi! So I stumbled across something maybe? Apologies if it has been posted already (I don’t think so?) - it’s a write up of Baumeister and fox hollow. Rob Graves and Mark Goodyear both appear in the comments if you scroll down. from some years ago:

Herb Baumeister
Those comments from Goodyear and his sister are unhinged!
 
Hi! So I stumbled across something maybe? Apologies if it has been posted already (I don’t think so?) - it’s a write up of Baumeister and fox hollow. Rob Graves and Mark Goodyear both appear in the comments if you scroll down. from some years ago:

Herb Baumeister
Mark goodyear is a seriously disturbed person. I don’t believe most of what he says. I don’t think he was involved at all and it’s just an attention seeker.
 

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