Found Deceased IN - IMAGE discussion re Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi

[Confusion]

Gotta say I see a vehicle too. Always have. I see the posts but see a white vehicle. The posts are a different color than thee white vehicle

The white does look like it could be a vehicle, but I have two reasons for not thinking it is. One is that it would have to be an extremely short car to be that height in comparison to the posts. The other is that it would be something that really stood out to anybody who happened to see it since motorized vehicles aren't allowed on the trail (and you can't get there other than on the trail or across private property. MOO

 

[Jethro4WS]

I agree BG is not behind or in front of these girls at 2:07.

It seems possible the girls saw BG somewhere along their walk before the 2:30 time. They were dropped off at 1:00.

Could they have seen BG early in their walk like at 1:05-1:10 (making up an early time on their walk). Then when they saw him again at 2:30ish it alarmed her enough to start the video, like how did he get here so fast type of thing?

But perhaps I'm missing something?

Also many are asking why LE isn't releasing more video but it seems possible immediately after this frame she put the video down or in a pocket so as to not arouse more suspicion that she was filming/photographing him. Like perhaps it was a very quick turn to capture him but then went back to filming nature or put it in her pocket?

Poke holes?

My working assumption is that Libby only had mere seconds to turn on the phone to record and put it away. I don't think she aimed the camera at all. So, my guess is that the phone was in motion for all the frames that had BG visible and there isn't much more. I expect there should be 16 to 48 of them that contain BG (or portions of BG) and having those would be better than the 3 we have.

It is always possible that the girls had encountered BG prior to the time the video captures occurred.

 

[Falling Down]

Gotta say I see a vehicle too. Always have. I see the posts but see a white vehicle. The posts are a different color than thee white vehicle

Parking a vehicle on a long trail (takes 7 minutes to walk from what was the paring area to the bridge) seems far-fetched.

JMO

 

[LaneGirl]

Parking a vehicle on a long trail (takes 7 minutes to walk from what was the paring area to the bridge) seems far-fetched.

JMO

Is it a drivable trail? Was there only one way to get a car there?

I'm not saying it is a car (although it looks like one) I'm just asking since I'm kinda new and haven't seen all the maps and I'm not familiar with the trail itself.

ETA - I'm gonna rule out a vehicle just based on location and timeline. The location of the "white car" is the direction the family would have begun searching (unless they didn't go that far) shortly after the girls didn't show up at the 3-3:30 time. It would be too risky to park a car there.

 

[Billy Mabou]

<snip>I know opinions differ on that (plastic bag), but that's what I saw from day one.</snip>

-Nin

Me, too!

 

[No it's not]

Me, too!

BM, what do you think is this? Is this an artifact, or is there something else? Thanks

Here is the original:

Pic 1-2-3 color:

Pic 1-2-3 BW:

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

As a side note, it is interesting, how the three frames we have (now) are not only in progressive order, but also seem to develop more details one by one. Of course it is a result of how they were processed among else.

ALL IMO

-Nin

 

[LaneGirl]

NIN

I know you're not asking me but that is the hoodie/collar layer under his wind breaker. At least that is what it looks like to me.

I've thought he is wearing a hoodie under the windbreaker but the hoodie isn't on his head.

 

[No it's not]

NIN

I know you're not asking me but that is the hoodie/collar layer under his wind breaker. At least that is what it looks like to me.

I've thought he is wearing a hoodie under the windbreaker but the hoodie isn't on his head.

Yes, that is very possible, thank you.

Here is the original ISP picture, that looks distorted to me:

I went ahead and rotated/scaled it to fit the third frame. It shows a tad more detail IMO. So this could very well be part of the hoodie:

Original third frame:

So that little rectangular something ( few posts up) below the white thing ( plastic bag handles?) may therefore be part of a hoodie? Perhaps we can try to track down hoodie brands, that possibly have some kind of a logo (if that's what it is?) up there?

ALL IMO

-Nin

 

[Confusion]

NIN

I know you're not asking me but that is the hoodie/collar layer under his wind breaker. At least that is what it looks like to me.

I've thought he is wearing a hoodie under the windbreaker but the hoodie isn't on his head.

That's what I thought when I first saw the pictures too, although some altered versions do look like he is wearing the hood.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

I've been trying to figure out the white item since BG's pic was made public. Keep in mind that dh was standing still and in his normal manner where BG appears to be a bit scrunched up in the upper body as if he's trying to hide his true appearance . The graphic would be slightly skewed in that case. Opinions? Fire away wsers.

Edited to fix spelling error.
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[WebSight]

I've been trying to figure out the white item since BG's pic was made public. Keep in mind that dh was standing still and in his normal manner where BG appears to be a bit scrunched up in the upper body as if he's trying to hide his true appearance . The graphic would be slightly skewed in that case. Opinions? Fire away wsers.

Edited to fix spelling error.
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Hi! It is my belief that the white loopy thingy is sticking out of his jacket. I posted pictures a few pages back but here is one anyway. The more I enhanced the photo the more pronounced it became which solidified my belief. jmo, of course.:fence:

I would definitely think that what you posted is a close likeness if I did think that the white loop was an imprint on his shirt though.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Hi! It is my belief that the white loopy thingy is sticking out of his jacket. I posted pictures a few pages back but here is one anyway. The more I enhanced the photo the more pronounced it became which solidified my belief. jmo, of course.:fence:

I would definitely think that what you posted is a close likeness if I did think that the white loop was an imprint on his shirt though.

IF at all then yes, maybe! Rather not, IMO. A "thing" not a print, IMO.

Yippee! I'm just recognizing the press buttons for the first time: the blue circles along the vertical jacket ledge (HIS left side), of course IMO only.

 

[Ixchel13]

Are you saying you see his hand clenched there. Gosh I don't see his hand at all, I see the jacket a bit extended to the back. I will go examine it further to see.

yes i agree, and if you first look at the shadow below the "fist" to the right, and follow it up you will see the gun barrel, it's like doing magic eye. his hand isn't in his pocket, he is pointing a gun. Alot of posters think this guy may actually be taller, and that's why he could be hunched over, he has Abby and pointing the gun at Libby, he could be telling her to put the phone down and go down that hill.

Cops are going to do stuff like this. They don't owe us the full details from their perspective, so what we don't know could be huge. Sorry for stating the obvious.

When LE released the footage showing the perp's truck in the Mickey Shunick case, they erased her from the photo from the most important photo! They showed her riding her bike. But in the photo where they actually had the perp striking her with his truck and abducting her, they arased her and her bike out!

What was amazing to me was watch the team on here, the experts on here, analize these photos, oh, you knew there was something up with the photos, just like this case!

In the scheme of things, Mickey being erased from the photo did nothing to stop the people from catching BSL.

 

[Ixchel13]

His right hand...something is wrong with that part because his hand looks enormous compared to the rest of him. I can't put my finger on it but that area is weird.

i think you're both right, he is holding a gun. and, in many of your pictures, you can plainly see that he is not looking down, but right at the camera/Libby. When you see him staring out, that's when he looks younger. If you think he's looking down with hands in pockets, he looks older. IMO, everyone was right in the first place, I think the white thingy is rope, he has it sticking out because he is going to use it? my thoughts are just
IMO and everyone else did all the work.

 

[Billy Mabou]

I respect your opinion, but I personally don't think the BG pictures have been altered to erase Abby or a gun. I believe you'd see differences by comparing the three separate frames (inconsistencies where the cloning would've been done). But really it's just a guess in the end!

I'm interested in seeing the Mickey Shunick picture you make reference to, though! I don't see any mention of it in the timeline here: https://mickeyshunick.com/site/2012/07/17/timeline-of-the-mickey-shunick-missing-person-case/

Do you know which picture was altered?

yes i agree, and if you first look at the shadow below the "fist" to the right, and follow it up you will see the gun barrel, it's like doing magic eye. his hand isn't in his pocket, he is pointing a gun. Alot of posters think this guy may actually be taller, and that's why he could be hunched over, he has Abby and pointing the gun at Libby, he could be telling her to put the phone down and go down that hill.

Cops are going to do stuff like this. They don't owe us the full details from their perspective, so what we don't know could be huge. Sorry for stating the obvious.

When LE released the footage showing the perp's truck in the Mickey Shunick case, they erased her from the photo from the most important photo! They showed her riding her bike. But in the photo where they actually had the perp striking her with his truck and abducting her, they arased her and her bike out!

What was amazing to me was watch the team on here, the experts on here, analize these photos, oh, you knew there was something up with the photos, just like this case!

In the scheme of things, Mickey being erased from the photo did nothing to stop the people from catching BSL.

 

[Falling Down]

I respect your opinion, but I personally don't think the BG pictures have been altered to erase Abby or a gun. I believe you'd see differences by comparing the three separate frames (inconsistencies where the cloning would've been done). But really it's just a guess in the end!

I'm interested in seeing the Mickey Shunick picture you make reference to, though! I don't see any mention of it in the timeline here: https://mickeyshunick.com/site/2012/07/17/timeline-of-the-mickey-shunick-missing-person-case/

Do you know which picture was altered?

I'm hesitant re: the image where it appears there's a gun and the flap on the pouch is opened/almost open all the way. It looks to me like where there should be a hand is blacked out. I could be wrong.

Edit: As far as him looking at Libby/the camera, I see it, too. He's looking straight ahead, it's just difficult to see because the other side of the face is looking down (probably a screenshot as the frames were changing in the video).

WebSight's great image grab, BG's left eye is looking straight ahead:

JMO

 

[No it's not]

I pulled up the FBI poster and uploaded the POI/BG image again to look at that small rectangular area making sure nothing was added or dropped in all previous versions posted here.

Enlarged and lightly sharpened:

All IMO

-Nin

Source of (partial) image:
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams

 

[Falling Down]

I pulled up the FBI poster and uploaded the POI/BG image again to look at that small rectangular area making sure nothing was added or dropped in all previous versions posted here.

Enlarged and lightly sharpened:

All IMO

-Nin

Source of (partial) image:
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seeking-info/abigail-williams

Maybe if you take away the bluriness around it?

 

[No it's not]

Also, it looks like the POI/BG is carrying something else right here:

Original ( FBI poster download):

ALL INO

-Nin