GUILTY IN - Jada Justice, 2, Gary, 16 June 2009

[Kat]

Do I believe Jada was beaten to death and it was probably about potty-training? Yes.

Do I believe that EC hit Jada with her knuckles in the head and it caused multiple fractures of Jada's skull? Nope.

That scenario doesn't wash with me. I don't have any medical training but IMHO it takes a bit more than just striking a child in the head with one's knuckles in order to produce multiple fractures of the skull.

But I'm not surprised that what happened to Jada is being lied about. Hopefully her autopsy has/or will reveal exactly what they did to her.

 

[Soulscape]

Question for nurses/ medical folks/ drug counselors:

What would be the probability that a person high on heroin/marijuana would go berserk and mercilessly beat a baby to death in a fit of anger?

You would think she'd have been too wasted to even care.

Thanks,
Soulscape

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Question for nurses/ medical folks/ drug counselors:

What would be the probability that a person high on heroin/marijuana would go berserk and mercilessly beat a baby to death in a fit of anger?

You would think she'd have been too wasted to even care.

Thanks,
Soulscape

I posted something similar earlier Soulscape. Not that I'm proud of it, but I have done both drugs in my past. I can't imagine getting enraged while on either and especially both of those drugs. Strange.

 

[Salem]

Question for nurses/ medical folks/ drug counselors:

What would be the probability that a person high on heroin/marijuana would go berserk and mercilessly beat a baby to death in a fit of anger?

You would think she'd have been too wasted to even care.

Thanks,
Soulscape

My questions also, Soulscape. I thought that marijuana and herion made you mellow and relaxed, not nutso. My guess is that it was probably meth OR the hangover from the drugs?

I know little about the use of herion. Does it give you a hangover? Maybe they were drinking also?

You could tell from the pain in this baby's eyes that it was not the first time she suffered at the hands of someone that was supposed to care for her, in my opinion. Her pictures made me sad when I first looked at them. And I am finding it very difficult to sympathize with the mom in this case. There is no doubt in my mind that she knew her cousin used drugs and WHY would you give your 2 year old child to someone else to potty train?

Salem

 

[Mimiof8]

AFFIDAVIT, I hadn't seen this before

http://www.nwi.com/extras/pdfs/JADAAFFIDAVIT.pdf

 

[eyes4crime]

Question for nurses/ medical folks/ drug counselors:

What would be the probability that a person high on heroin/marijuana would go berserk and mercilessly beat a baby to death in a fit of anger?

You would think she'd have been too wasted to even care.

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape - Three possibilities come to mind...the first is that they were needing their next fix - withdrawal can cause severe agitation. OR

The marijuana/heroin they took was laced with PCP, crystal meth or a contaminant. When analyzed, some street marijuana has been found to be laced with contaminants such as decon rat poison, crystal meth, etc. More recently, heroin has been found to have a contaminant from Mexico that can eventually end in death.

***OR - they have a nasty, hateful, abusive, controlling temper to begin with.

Experience: I have been a pharmacist for decades. Worked in a methadone clinic where my specialty was to help pregnant women to term while on methadone. Also worked in agencies where analysis of street drugs took place. No mater where I worked as a pharmacist, there was addiction.

 

[Alison]

How dare they!! This was not about the drug abuse this was about ego and power. She wanted to send Jada back to mom potty trained and say "See! Look I did it for you!" When she couldn't accomplish this, she resorted to abuse. When Jada would not cry for the monster it became a power struggle. She wanted to hurt her to prove she was the boss. Evil evil woman and man.

 

[KR2tonenow]

Precious Jada will be missed. I was hoping NG would at least give a blurp on what happened. This would raise anyone's blood pressure up.

Again mothers, caregivers, and extended family members SCREEN the people that watch your children, better yet just stay home!~!

 

[Searchfortruth]

After reading that affadavit it looks like the "babysitter" has some real anger/rage issues and I don't think it's all about the drugs. What she did to this baby is beyond human. Then she actually hits the detective when he tells her he doesn't believe her and shows her a picture of Jada, the second time she tries to hit him in the face and has to be restrained. The bf's story is sounding a little more believable, although I still think he was trying to paint himself in a better light.

Now the mother had no idea that this cousin, whom she had known for years, used drugs and has a horrible anger problem ? I am not buying it.

Also, what kind of mother hands her child off to be potty trained by anyone, but herself ? Potty training is not something that is accomplished in a week or two and it's something that the parent's should have been doing, not an 18 year old cousin on drugs. I can't help but to feel extreme anger at the babysitter, her boyfriend and the mother, in this case.

 

[jnTexas]

After reading that affadavit it looks like the "babysitter" has some real anger/rage issues and I don't think it's all about the drugs. What she did to this baby is beyond human. Then she actually hits the detective when he tells her he doesn't believe her and shows her a picture of Jada, the second time she tries to hit him in the face and has to be restrained. The bf's story is sounding a little more believable, although I still think he was trying to paint himself in a better light.

Now the mother had no idea that this cousin, whom she had known for years, used drugs and has a horrible anger problem ? I am not buying it.

Also, what kind of mother hands her child off to be potty trained by anyone but herself ?

i agree I think this girl was very capable of beating this child. I dont think she used her knuckles. I think she pulled her by the hair and slammed her into that table more than once. Even if the BF never touched the girl beofre death he sat in there watching TV while she beat her?? Then covered her body in his car and left her. While they drove around in another vehicle. Then puts her in garbage bags in a hole and burns her. When that doesn't work they leave her there in the hole open to the elements and animals. To top it off he decides to encase her in cement and put her in water.. WTH!! He is just as guilty as the GF. Sadly this girl had no idea how to potty train. You don't critize you praise them!!

I know alot of people have been wondering where was the mother, but I want to know where was the father? She was going to be there two weeks. Doesn't he have visitation? I do believe alot of people let this child down also.

 

[cuppy199]

Dead toddler's mother under investigation by Child Services http://nwi.com/articles/2009/06/27/news/top/doc99f48010ba24f8d2862575e20001eefb.txt

 

[eyes4crime]

i agree I think this girl was very capable of beating this child. I dont think she used her knuckles. I think she pulled her by the hair and slammed her into that table more than once. Even if the BF never touched the girl beofre death he sat in there watching TV while she beat her?? Then covered her body in his car and left her. While they drove around in another vehicle. Then puts her in garbage bags in a hole and burns her. When that doesn't work they leave her there in the hole open to the elements and animals. To top it off he decides to encase her in cement and put her in water.. WTH!! He is just as guilty as the GF. Sadly this girl had no idea how to potty train. You don't critize you praise them!!

I know alot of people have been wondering where was the mother, but I want to know where was the father? She was going to be there two weeks. Doesn't he have visitation? I do believe alot of people let this child down also.

an article was posted on this thread saying the babysitter's mom was going to file a complaint against the dad because he 'intimidated' her 18yo child. Seems they all have a sense of entitlement beyond belief.

 

[charminglane]

No picture of Jada has her smiling.
I am glad the mother is being investigated.
You do not go off and leave a 2 year old with a druggie for two weeks to go on a vacation with your boyfriend. EVER.

 

[KR2tonenow]

The and boyfriend didn't suddenly have drug habits that appeared during Jada's brief time with them. MOM knew about this drug involvement. Again another case were child endangerment needs to step up a notch and parents need to be held accountable for the caregivers and babysitters they are using period!

 

[believe09]

This story has me physically ill, as it does the rest of you I am sure.

 

[jaycee]

This story has me physically ill, as it does the rest of you I am sure.

Yes, it is beyond sickening.

 

[HesterMofet]

That affidavit made me sick. How could she treat Jada like that? Before and after death. Stupid dopers. I have a pretty liberal view about marijuana, but heroin? Yikes. And I cannot imagine doing any drugs while I was watching a baby.

I find it hard, no impossible to believe that the mother had no idea about the drugs. She knew her cousin did drugs. Now she might not have known the extent or known it was heroin (again, Yikes!) but she knew Engelica was not on the straight and narrow.

Maybe the dad and the stepmom couldn't take her for two weeks because they couldn't take the time off work. It doesn't sound like the mom, the cousin or the cousin's boyfriend have a legitimate job. Okay, you can beat me up for this one, but what kind of mom takes off for two weeks without her young children? That's just not right on so many levels.

Where is the responsibility to the children? If you have children and you are raising them alone, guess what? Your social life is not on the top of the list. Your children should come first. There should be no leaving them with druggies relatives or people you just met. (The pedophile you are trying to give a second chance isn't into you, lady. He's after your kid, plain and simple. Don't listen to any of the lies because these guys know how to make up a whole mess to get you to believe there was nothing to their charges.) I know it's hard and moms sometimes need to get away, but, (and you can rag me again) no one made you have three or four kids and be single. Yes, there are circumstances like divorce and death, but why oh why do some women persist on having multiple children with multiple men? I know the answer, but it's just not cutting it with me as far as all these "baby daddies," etc. It's not fair to keep bringing different men into your children's lives and then have them disappear months later. It's not healthy for the child to live with a succession of "mom's boyfriends." I know I am old fashioned and sound like a prude, but I've seen what this does to the self esteem of children and to the success of their future relationships.

 

[believe09]

That affidavit made me sick. How could she treat Jada like that? Before and after death. Stupid dopers. I have a pretty liberal view about marijuana, but heroin? Yikes. And I cannot imagine doing any drugs while I was watching a baby.

I find it hard, no impossible to believe that the mother had no idea about the drugs. She knew her cousin did drugs. Now she might not have known the extent or known it was heroin (again, Yikes!) but she knew Engelica was not on the straight and narrow.

Maybe the dad and the stepmom couldn't take her for two weeks because they couldn't take the time off work. It doesn't sound like the mom, the cousin or the cousin's boyfriend have a legitimate job. Okay, you can beat me up for this one, but what kind of mom takes off for two weeks without her young children? That's just not right on so many levels.

Where is the responsibility to the children? If you have children and you are raising them alone, guess what? Your social life is not on the top of the list. Your children should come first. There should be no leaving them with druggies relatives or people you just met. (The pedophile you are trying to give a second chance isn't into you, lady. He's after your kid, plain and simple. Don't listen to any of the lies because these guys know how to make up a whole mess to get you to believe there was nothing to their charges.) I know it's hard and moms sometimes need to get away, but, (and you can rag me again) no one made you have three or four kids and be single. Yes, there are circumstances like divorce and death, but why oh why do some women persist on having multiple children with multiple men? I know the answer, but it's just not cutting it with me as far as all these "baby daddies," etc. It's not fair to keep bringing different men into your children's lives and then have them disappear months later. It's not healthy for the child to live with a succession of "mom's boyfriends." I know I am old fashioned and sound like a prude, but I've seen what this does to the self esteem of children and to the success of their future relationships.

Oh I think you are not far off the mark-I cannot envision taking off without my children for two days as a single mom....there is something not right unless she was going into detox.

 

[PMLsmom]

Wow, oh wow...What is WRONG with people these days???????? I am at a loss for words. RIP Jada, you're in no more pain - Fly with the angels...

 

[Amster]

Mom has 5 kids....no job....no husband....decides to vacation with boyfriend.

Until it is not acceptable or profitable for irresponsible people to indulge in this lifestyle, Jada's fate will be repeated.