IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #12

[cluciano63]

No I did not say they have ruled it out. I am saying I am shocked that they MIGHT have ruled it out based on someone posting here about the lack of warnings being made concerning a possible non-related party being out there that could harm others.

Generally LE is very hesitant in issuing any but the most general warnings if they do not know for sure. They never want to cause a panic. And they don't have any specifics to warn the public about, i.e. a vehicle, a description, anything at all...

 

[Frogzilla]

There doesn't seem to be many leads to the stranger abduction theory, although I do agree it is a possibility here. It appears there is not a crime scene to work from, her personal items were discovered in separate locations and there is no video footage showing her after 2:51am. LE has shown the video of vehicle in the area when JR says she left his place, in the area of her supposed route back home and the white truck has been ruled out, there is a possibility of another vehicle LE has not shown the public, but that would be a guessing game.

 

[jennyb629]

I also think that the OD/cover up is the strongest scenario only with additional motivation such as 1) consensual (or nonconsensual sex) or 2) some substantial drug dealing. Otherwise, the simplest reaction would have been to call 911.

Yes, thanks for adding substantial drug dealing, I think that could definitely be another strong motivator for a cover-up. As far as consensual vs. nonconsensual sex, it really seems like in either case they'd be more motivated to cover up her death if they had sex with her-because it would be pretty hard to prove that it was consensual if she ODed after (or even during, as horrible as that is to say) and it would make the person look bad either way...having sex with someone who is on the verge of an OD and who is not your girlfriend=lots of motivation to conceal her death.

 

[sandangel]

The thread woodpecker is talking about is extremely interesting and, based on the fact that the thread started about the 1st or 2nd day LS went missing, along with what woodpecker said, the guy is almost certainly legitimately JW;s brother.

Back a couple of weeks ago I came across facebook profiles of JW's dad and brother. However for the life of me, I can't remember either one of their names? Anyone know?

 

[elmomom]

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However, it is not that which I have a problem with its that web blog and the posting of the link here which is a promotion of what that person is wrongfully doing.

If it is any consolation, I agree with you regarding that link. Maybe not so much that it is posted here, as it is a real webpage, and all, but its existence infuriates me. Whether or not JR is involved with anything, it is not right to
publicize his parents names, addresses, professional identities and then list names that may not even be vaguely associated with JR at all. None of these people (including his parents) had anything to do whatsover with LS and her evening. And, above all else, we do not know what the web page author's motives are - maybe the real perp is pointing fingers at JR!

I don't have a lot of time today to find it again, but a few days ago I posted to a MSM artice that CLEARLY stated that LE had spoken to JR very early in the investigation. IMHO, all the POIs that we know names for HAVE been cooperative and HAVE talked to LE. Insinuating that JR or anyone else immediately left town and covered their rear with an attorney is just purposely misstating the facts. The fact is, LE has said that they have spoken to ALL of them at least one time, and that is really all anyone knows.

As far as the Phish PT board, yes various people claiming to be related or familiar to people in this case are posting. And there is no consensus of opinion over there either.

We just do not know, and we cannot hang someone on the evidence we have, thus far.

IMHOIMHOIMHOIMHOIMHO etc

 

[shockedandappalled]

Generally LE is very hesitant in issuing any but the most general warnings if they do not know for sure. They never want to cause a panic. And they don't have any specifics to warn the public about, i.e. a vehicle, a description, anything at all...

Thank you that is what I thought as well.

Not giving a more serious warning to the public does NOT rule out stranger abduction.

I was shocked and appalled at any suggestion that they did.

 

[shockedandappalled]

If it is any consolation, I agree with you regarding that link. Maybe not so much that it is posted here, as it is a real webpage, and all, but its existence infuriates me. Whether or not JR is involved with anything, it is not right to
publicize his parents names, addresses, professional identities and then list names that may not even be vaguely associated with JR at all. None of these people (including his parents) had anything to do whatsover with LS and her evening. And, above all else, we do not know what the web page author's motives are - maybe the real perp is pointing fingers at JR!

I don't have a lot of time today to find it again, but a few days ago I posted to a MSM artice that CLEARLY stated that LE had spoken to JR very early in the investigation. IMHO, all the POIs that we know names for HAVE been cooperative and HAVE talked to LE. Insinuating that JR or anyone else immediately left town and covered their rear with an attorney is just purposely misstating the facts. The fact is, LE has said that they have spoken to ALL of them at least one time, and that is really all anyone knows.

As far as the Phish PT board, yes various people claiming to be related or familiar to people in this case are posting. And there is no consensus of opinion over there either.

We just do not know, and we cannot hang someone on the evidence we have, thus far.

IMHOIMHOIMHOIMHOIMHO etc

It is NOT a "real" web page. I could make up a dozen right now.

It is a blog and a slanderous one at that.

For all we know it was also created by a reporter looking for a story.

For all we know it was created by someone on WS.

I do hope the mods remove it and all links pointing to it OR allow us to post links to PT.

And, above all else, we do not know what the web page author's motives are - maybe the real perp is pointing fingers at JR!

YES!!!!!!

And thank you for this post!

 

[TonyGatto]

Well, we sort of have new info, no? According to HT, there was a friend from JR's hometown visiting and staying with JR at 5 North. This is new information.. unless I'm wrong. If so, someone kindly correct me.

That would be new. Link?

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I'm behind but pretty sure this has been posted. Here goes anyway..

Last Person to Admit Having Seen Lauren Spierer Is Reportedly Refusing to Talk

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/2...is-reportedly-refusing-to-talk/#ixzz1QUo0kLkm

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Re: anyone been found because of websleuths ..

Bessie you probably will know the case.. It was solved with the help of websleuths. Infact the murderer was posting here in the forum trying to throw ppl off..

Iirc it was the case where the woman befriended a homeless man and somehow had a policy of some sort taken out and had him make her the beneficiary. After doing so she killed him and iirc correctly she had him buried in her newly poured concrete outdoor patio in her backyard..

I know websleuths was somehow positively involved in resolution brought to the case. It was Tricia herself that I heard speak about it..

Bessie do u remember the case I am speaking of?

Lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare. I was on the thread late that night when the (alledged) murderer posted. We even had an investigator on the case posting with us.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104804"]Abraham Shakespeare Jan. 26th 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[shockedandappalled]

I'm behind but pretty sure this has been posted. Here goes anyway..

Last Person to Admit Having Seen Lauren Spierer Is Reportedly Refusing to Talk

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/2...is-reportedly-refusing-to-talk/#ixzz1QUo0kLkm

"reportedly refusing to talk" is a far cry from :

"hasn't been forthcoming in providing information to police and the young woman's parents, family friends told the New York Post."

Additionally was this said by the young woman's parents or the family friends of the young woman?

Poor journalism at its finest.

BTW maybe he is not forthcoming b/c he has told them everything.

Or maybe as I said LE and the Spierer's have asked him not to speak of what he has told them for personal reasons and the family friend is reading into it or maybe is not such a close family friend and not kept in the loop.

All kinds of maybes EXCEPT for sure it was NOT said reportedly refused to talk.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I am afraid this thread might get locked
We are not supposed to ask people to PM us on the boards, I don't think...?

That's correct.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm behind but pretty sure this has been posted. Here goes anyway..

Last Person to Admit Having Seen Lauren Spierer Is Reportedly Refusing to Talk

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/2...is-reportedly-refusing-to-talk/#ixzz1QUo0kLkm

Thanks...
I am not sure of the credibility of this, since it is Fox and they often add a spin, but that is just JMO...

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

"reportedly refusing to talk" is a far cry from :

"hasn't been forthcoming in providing information to police and the young woman's parents, family friends told the New York Post."

Additionally was this said by the young woman's parents or the family friends of the young woman?

Poor journalism at its finest.

BTW maybe he is not forthcoming b/c he has told them everything.

Or maybe as I said LE and the Spierer's have asked him not to speak of what he has told them for personal reasons and the family friend is reading into it or maybe is not such a close family friend and not kept in the loop.

All kinds of maybes EXCEPT for sure it was NOT said reportedly refused to talk.

Please don't shoot the messenger lol. I was only posting a link to an article. I don't have an opinion either way.

 

[shockedandappalled]

I'm just curious..."How close" are you to this situation? I've read your posts over the last few weeks, and it seems that your perspective is coming from a different angle than most of us.


Most of the people on this forum have no direct ties with LS, her family, or friends. I guess that makes it easy for some to say what they are thinking and feeling.


I get that someone coming from closer ties to LS, her family, or friends would find a lot of this offensive.


I don't think anyone here is intentionally trying to hurt others.

I have no direct ties to LS or her family or her friends.

My daughter goes to IU and knows JR.

I am basically just trying to keep honesty alive here. I have zero inside information.

Facts are facts and rumors are rumors which should not be reported as facts.

I also thank the Spierers for being the decent people they are and not making this a public witch hunt. It is not them pointing fingers at other people. They are pleading for information to try and find out what has happened.

It is so incredibly heart breaking that I so hope that there is no-one holding back information that will help break this case.

Especially when there are so many ways to submit it anonymously.

<modsnip>

 

[Ven]

I do believe the fight was about CR being with Lauren, JMO. But they were her BF's friends, possibly not really hers and therefore may not have been in any position to try to convince her to stay with them. Also, perhaps CR said something to "invite" a punch, in their minds. MYOB, or something along those lines. Tempers, and fists, fly under the influence.

This is kinda OT, but back in "my day" lol, one could still drink at 18 so we drank as a matter of course in college and it did not seem to be such a big deal. I never heard of anyone getting alcohol poisoining during my entire time, and seldom saw people passed out or shoeless, etc...and as it was a state school, no one seemed to have money for anything more than weed. Sometimes I think people tend to drink more when they are doing it illegally than they might otherwise...JMO. (Also, I find it beyond ridiculous that people who can vote, etc. can't buy a beer, but that is another story.)

Not to say people did not get "wasted" but it never seemed to reach epic proportions. I know there are far more "designer" drugs out there nowadays and much else has changed as well. I see some of these kids with over 2000 "friends" on FB, and wonder if I have even encountered that many people in my 40+ years...

I don't know how it was back in your day, but now kids and young adults don't drink a few or use a little to take the edge off, have a good time, etc ....

For the most part, they are drinking as much as they possibly can to get mind-blowingly drunk, high, etc.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Thanks...
I am not sure of the credibility of this, since it is Fox and they often add a spin, but that is just JMO...

ITA! Fox definately spins. It came through on my twitter feed via tweet from NewsonLaurenS, so I thought I'd post.

 

[Salem]

Can you please post a link? <modsnip>? I haven't heard anything about JW. That would be helpful.

It is against TOS to talk about pm'ing in the threads. You may certainly pm each other - you just can't talk about it in the threads. In our TOS, this is termed "inviting."

Also, a link may and should be provided. If the link comes up with asteriks in the title, that means it is NOT allowed on WS. There are many reasons for that but what is important to note is that the link may not be posted here.

Also remember - all blog info is considered rumor unless the blog has been verified. That doesn't mean you can't discuss it, it means you can't treat it as fact.

Hope that helps and makes sense. Let me or one of the other mods know if there are any questions.

Salem

 

[Frogzilla]

NY Post as well from today- Not only reported by Fox
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mom_vs_mum_ugY7m4oec8dcMheGbA0PYI

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Um yes. How many people here have decided that the guilty person is JR? OR one of LS other friends?

How many people here are still keeping a random abductor possibility?

Why is THAT word press link allowed but the PHISH tour link is not?

I do hope that the moderator makes ALL of the links be removed EVEN the ones who referenced the link.

As the Phish tour links were not allowed here.

FWIW, I have no idea what happened. I'm open to most possibilities. For example, clearly LS had a potent cocktail of drugs on board the night she disappeared, but without knowing more specifics, including her use history, I can't be sure that it killed her.