IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #16

[TonyGatto]

Yep, that's the body that the artie is speaking about(posted direct quote of the 3 miles away..)

Says that two women's families are awaiting results from full autopsy performed today to see if it either of their loved one's.. One family being Lauren's and the other being the great grandmother Dorothy..

So, this is why I posted and my question of where it truly was found because according to that article it was found 3 miles from Lauren's school..

3 miles is wrong. I don't know how else to say it. Look at a map. Indianapolis is an hour from Bloomington where IU is. And we know it's not Lauren..that's already been determined.

 

[TonyGatto]

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=lNa1F5rGkB4

FWIW some of this seems to be conspiracy theory, however insightful.

OK. This is the person who has been the sole source of the JR FB friend who she alleges is the guest at JR's house, Runcible Spoon, etc. This person does a lot of looking at FB and Twitter feeds and then posts them. I applaud the research skills. But then he/she comes up with things like the BPD and Drug Cartels and ZO is a drug informant and blah, blah,blah. Gee...what a great story this would be. I live for uncovering a story like this. But one problem...no evidence. Which is why I pushback on this person she is trying to push forward. Unless he/she does something other than announce conspiracy theories, and unsubstantiated grandiose allegations of vast multi-agency corruption -- I would steer clear. This person was all over me on Twitter the moment I landed in Btown -- but when I didn't give this person acknowledgment -- never heard from he/she again. So I didn't buy in and then I reported some real stuff. He/she was not interested. There are two flakes in all this from what I can see. This person and the guy who goes around talking about the war on drugs. If I am wrong -- I will admit it when I get one piece of evidence that gives either of these people a shred of credibility. And I also wonder if these people are one in the same.

 

[elmomom]

And I also wonder if these people are one in the same.

yes I would believe that. And possibly throw in the ZO step-poser.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Well.. Excuuuuuuse me for being the dumbazz who did not know the body was identified.. Some do not have luxury of serfing and searching social media and blogs round the clock..

I think I got it now.. hahahha

 

[TonyGatto]

yes I would believe that. And possibly throw in the ZO step-poser.

Yup, unfortunately you may be right. The veritable tri-fecta.

 

[Thurston]

Lauren Spierer was last scene without shoes - I found it odd that a young girl would leave a bar without her shoes & cell phone - especially her shoes. In the security camera photo of Lauren Spierer - I cannot see her feet - however she looks alert, happy and healthy to me - It's not a picture of someone who appears to be out of their mind.

Has her boyfriend made any statement? Lauren was out at the bar with a guy who was not her boyfriend - the fight in her apartment building was with guys who knew her boyfriend.

I've wondered if her boyfriend was jealous & angry with her because she was out with another guy. I've also wondered how she could leave a bar drunk or not without her shoes.

How do the police know Lauren left her keys when she was walking - how do they know that she didn't leave her keys because someone grabbed her.

The White Truck: Has anyone seen the picture of the white truck? Police have stated that the person in this white truck is not a person of interest. From my understanding, the police have interviewed the driver of the white truck. However, many people believe that they see Lauren and another person in the back of The White Truck. One person is so convinced they set up a website outlining the area in the back of the white truck where Lauren & a male are supposed to be http://eagleeyeview.weebly.com/

I have to believe that with how involved Lauren's parents are in the search for their daughter - that Lauren's parents would be stating to the media that they see their daughter in this picture if indeed they did see her. I cannot see two people in the back of the white truck.

 

[bessie]

Yup, unfortunately you may be right. The veritable tri-fecta.

True dat. This all makes sense now.

 

[jjenny]

Well.. Excuuuuuuse me for being the dumbazz who did not know the body was identified.. Some do not have luxury of serfing and searching social media and blogs round the clock..

I think I got it now.. hahahha

As far as I know the body has not been identified. But it's an African-American female so can not be either LS or missing grandmother.

 

[elmomom]

Lauren Spierer was last scene without shoes - I found it odd that a young girl would leave a bar without her shoes & cell phone - especially her shoes. In the security camera photo of Lauren Spierer - I cannot see her feet - however she looks alert, happy and healthy to me - It's not a picture of someone who appears to be out of their mind.

The picture released was LS on her way out that evening, before going to a party and then the bar and then...

Has her boyfriend made any statement? Lauren was out at the bar with a guy who was not her boyfriend - the fight in her apartment building was with guys who knew her boyfriend.

Not a peep from JW.

I've wondered if her boyfriend was jealous & angry with her because she was out with another guy. I've also wondered how she could leave a bar drunk or not without her shoes.

Apparently she did leave drunk, according to witnesses, and shoeless according to LE.

How do the police know Lauren left her keys when she was walking - how do they know that she didn't leave her keys because someone grabbed her.

I'm thinking they have video of something from the alley. They also have a witness to the keys being there around 3 AM, and people claiming to have been with her at 5 North at later times.

 

[Walker]

Article about LS which shows a clip of her with her sister in Israel:

http://www.ky3.com/news/wpix-missing-ny-woman-in-indiana-folo,0,1953811.story

One interesting fact mentioned in this video: Whether LS had her prescription meds is unclear. (Of course, the article is dated June 8, and more information may have been determined since then).

The trip to Israel was only 3 months ago. No article has mentioned whether LS's passport has been found.

As of June 3, all of LS's academic work was complete, and she was planning to leave IN soon.

Could LS have voluntarily entered a car in the gravel lot at about 5 am, where her scent was detected? Maybe someone gave her a ride to Chicago (or other location) to board a flight to Israel.

 

[Cuoco7]

OK. This is the person who has been the sole source of the JR FB friend who she alleges is the guest at JR's house, Runcible Spoon, etc. This person does a lot of looking at FB and Twitter feeds and then posts them. I applaud the research skills. But then he/she comes up with things like the BPD and Drug Cartels and ZO is a drug informant and blah, blah,blah. Gee...what a great story this would be. I live for uncovering a story like this. But one problem...no evidence. Which is why I pushback on this person she is trying to push forward. Unless he/she does something other than announce conspiracy theories, and unsubstantiated grandiose allegations of vast multi-agency corruption -- I would steer clear. This person was all over me on Twitter the moment I landed in Btown -- but when I didn't give this person acknowledgment -- never heard from he/she again. So I didn't buy in and then I reported some real stuff. He/she was not interested. There are two flakes in all this from what I can see. This person and the guy who goes around talking about the war on drugs. If I am wrong -- I will admit it when I get one piece of evidence that gives either of these people a shred of credibility. And I also wonder if these people are one in the same.

Thanks Tony! I knew you could make sense of who they are and what they're doing!

 

[bluebirdii]

Hi, I'm new here.... from South Africa... sorry for just hopping on.... From these photos it looks like there is a lot of construction going on. The area would actually probably look a bit scary at 3h30 / 4am in the morning. Don't think I would've made the walk.... I was also in college and there was always lots of parties and things going on but I never went anywhere alone but then again I've always had quite a paranoid side... really hope they find Lauren. I've been reading this case and I really hope she is ok. Whatever she did or didn't do, she didn't deserve to be hurt by another person - if that was the case. IMO

 

[VeryVeritas]

So, basically, after all this time, we still don't know if JR actually had this visitor, and who this visitor was. If there was a visitor, how and when did the visitor leave? And do police actually have this information? What makes me think is that there might have been a visitor is that CR's lawyer implied three people in addition to CR saw LS. And we only know of 2.

!) CR has Amnesia right? He is not the witness saying there were others in his apt that night. Isn't it MB who said there were others present? From that point on, it was not only JR, but at least one other person, but the implication was more than 1 person.
2) It's not clear that JR's guest was there, was staying in his place or not, or if this mystery Michigan person was over at CR/MB's, though seems highly likely if JR was there.

Thinking this through a little has me wondering about something.... IF CR was out with LS and MB was studying... why would JR/Mystery Michigan guest/possible others be over at CR/MB's when they could be at JR's? This causes me to consider that, no one was actually there except MB when CR came back... or CR, went to JR's FIRST(possibly with LS if she was still ok) Then maybe JR & co walked him back to CR/MB's (likely including LS if she was still ok) letting either MB handle it or ensuring he was put to bed. Then everyone returning back to JR's or someone else's place. MB being invited but declining.

 

[Alliecog]

Article about LS which shows a clip of her with her sister in Israel:

http://www.ky3.com/news/wpix-missing-ny-woman-in-indiana-folo,0,1953811.story

One interesting fact mentioned in this video: Whether LS had her prescription meds is unclear. (Of course, the article is dated June 8, and more information may have been determined since then).

The trip to Israel was only 3 months ago. No article has mentioned whether LS's passport has been found.

As of June 3, all of LS's academic work was complete, and she was planning to leave IN soon.

Could LS have voluntarily entered a car in the gravel lot at about 5 am, where her scent was detected? Maybe someone gave her a ride to Chicago (or other location) to board a flight to Israel.

Personally I have a passport but I keep it at my family's home in NJ since I rarely use it. I honestly doubt that LS hopped on a plane to Israel, flights are insanely expensive last minute (and in advance for that matter) and the trip she was on was a community service trip. LS took some Jewish studies classes, but IU has a fabulous Jewish studies dept and many Jewish students take a few classes. Also wouldn't we have some record of her purchasing a plane ticket and such? She was last seen phone less, shoeless and without her keys/wallet... I think we should focus on bloomington and the surrounding area, not Israel.

 

[bluebirdii]

Article about LS which shows a clip of her with her sister in Israel:

http://www.ky3.com/news/wpix-missing-ny-woman-in-indiana-folo,0,1953811.story

One interesting fact mentioned in this video: Whether LS had her prescription meds is unclear. (Of course, the article is dated June 8, and more information may have been determined since then).

The trip to Israel was only 3 months ago. No article has mentioned whether LS's passport has been found.

As of June 3, all of LS's academic work was complete, and she was planning to leave IN soon.

Could LS have voluntarily entered a car in the gravel lot at about 5 am, where her scent was detected? Maybe someone gave her a ride to Chicago (or other location) to board a flight to Israel.

Personally I have a passport but I keep it at my family's home in NJ since I rarely use it. I honestly doubt that LS hopped on a plane to Israel, flights are insanely expensive last minute (and in advance for that matter) and the trip she was on was a community service trip. LS took some Jewish studies classes, but IU has a fabulous Jewish studies dept and many Jewish students take a few classes. Also wouldn't we have some record of her purchasing a plane ticket and such? She was last seen phone less, shoeless and without her keys/wallet... I think we should focus on bloomington and the surrounding area, not Israel.

I absolutely agree with u!

 

[bluebirdii]

Regarding her friends not saying anything and/or possibly hiding something - we had this one party where we were all up on this hill just behind the college. I was struggling to climb it and my roommate pulled me up, I thought to be funny I will pull her down, I did and she rolled down knocking her head against a rock and she was unconscience. I freaked into a panic state but the first thing on my mind was hospital right now! I didn't care that I was intoxicated or that all the other friends were intoxicated, we were going to the hospital now! All the way there my friend didn't wake up and I was in a complete state already envisioning murder charges and what not - got to the hospital and she woke up... I was so relieved. And I know any of my friends would've done exactly the same no matter what the circumstances.

 

[Walker]

Personally I have a passport but I keep it at my family's home in NJ since I rarely use it.

The question is, Has the passport been accounted for?

I honestly doubt that LS hopped on a plane to Israel, flights are insanely expensive last minute (and in advance for that matter)

We have no indication of the amount of cash available to LS personally.

What if she had contact with or associated with some group which wants to bring immigrants into Israel? They might provide the ticket etc.

and the trip she was on was a community service trip.

She was traveling in a foreign country.

LS took some Jewish studies classes, but IU has a fabulous Jewish studies dept and many Jewish students take a few classes.

That's very interesting.

Also wouldn't we have some record of her purchasing a plane ticket and such?

If she did board a plane, there must be some record. This possibility should be fully investigated.

She was last seen phone less, shoeless and without her keys/wallet... I think we should focus on bloomington and the surrounding area, not Israel.

Throwing away items for which she no longer has any need?

Prescription medications could be very easily tracked; but apparently LSs were missing from her belongings (or at least not accounted for as of 6/8/11).

Israel may be a possibility, but there is apparently no mention of this case whatsoever in Haaretz.

The gravel lot with the pretty house surrounded by a trellis in the background does not look like an easy place to abduct someone. The small area seems surrounded by residences. A woman's scream would likely get attention.

Many people seem to be assuming that the persons of interest were professional drug traffickers without evidence.

 

[PhiercePhi]

I am new here, and have been lurking here awhile, my insight might not be helpful but its just a few thoughts.
I went to ASU , and they had connections with other Jewish groups (i.e Hillel and Chabad) which give free student trips to Israel. It's not hard to get involved and go on those trips. But we shouldn't look at her travelling to foreign lands.It takes a long while to go through the process, so her family would have to know about it and in many cases when someone leaves to go to a foreign land, they tell someone and there is a paper trail.
Both ASU and IU are BIG party schools, with a bar style atmosphere. Out here we had a guy go missing from Tempe, and they found his body in the lake- it took weeks.
I would say that they should re scan the areas, also they need to find a way to get anyone who was at the bar, and spoke with her.
Out here I personally don't know about over there but everyone kind of intermingles especially when alcohol is involved, and with a pretty girl- it could be even more of an occurance.

 

[thesaint]

Hi, I'm new here.... from South Africa... sorry for just hopping on.... From these photos it looks like there is a lot of construction going on. The area would actually probably look a bit scary at 3h30 / 4am in the morning. Don't think I would've made the walk.... I was also in college and there was always lots of parties and things going on but I never went anywhere alone

Were you in college in SA or USA?

 

[thesaint]

The only "professional drug traffickers" I'm aware of operating within the USA call themselves "doctors". AFAIK, there's no professional licensing program for crack dealers in any US state.

However, the evidence available that illegal narcotics are involved in LS's disappearance falls under the same category as the evidence pointing to Casey Anthony's guilt: circumstantial.

Does anyone possess definitive proof that illegal narcotics were involved--at whatever level--the night of LS's disappearance? Sure, and those anyones are JR, CR, MB, ZO...

This might be a case where America's puritanical tendencies toward illicit substances is causing people who should know better to behave as crappy human beings--out of their own self-interest.

A potential nexus to LS's Israel trip might be that LS indulged in various substances while in a place where they are plentiful and not as verboten as Southern Indiana and came back to the USA with a taste for them that to indulge she found herself hanging out with a nefarious group of usual suspects.

Or maybe she ran off and joined the IDF.