IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #18

[bx2]

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I don't really know how anyone has any idea how long she spent at MB/CR's or JR's.

There has been isolated (unsourced) accounts that have given time estimates of staying at CR/MB's for an hour and another that says arrived at JR's at 3:15. Obviously conflicting and I don't put any faith in either one.

Here is one:"Spierer and Rossman left the apartment building and she escorted Rossman back to his apartment. She was there for about an hour with Rossman and another young man.".

And the other: Spierer walked Rossman back to his apartment, two doors down from Rosenbaum’s, before going to Rosenbaum’s apartment at approximately 3:15 a.m.

 

[Tr.]

I've had a problem with the conflicting reports of LS's intentions vs. her appearance.

I think it's one or the other - she was not a "messed up" as described, and ready for more action -possibly went out to the DD's house for more - or she was really really messed up and OD'd at 5 North. Honestly, if she was THAT bad, I can't imagine that she was even capable of leaving JR's 2 hours later, nor that he would have allowed it.

I think that the original story about LS asking MB if he wanted to party came from HT. Since then, I've read that MB's statement says that LS and CR entered the apt., MB put CR to bed and turned to see LS walking out the door.
The later version of MB's account doesn't even mention LS indicating intent to visit JR's as the first reports from HT did.
This may be legal posturing since it has been reported that attorneys for the 5 North boys have been comparing notes.

I'm going to stick with MB's pre-lawyer version through HT. LS probably did ask MB if he wanted to party. It doesn't mean that she was in any shape to do so.
If anything it is further indication that she was not in control of her actions just after 3:00 am.

Whether or not everything HT relayed is point on or not I believe that without HT's quick attempt at fact gathering and subsequent interviews with the media, we would have a whole lot less to work with then we do.
Nice work HT.

 

[Jupiter812]

What day? If it were on Friday, even at 5 pm seems unlikely LE would have gotten to the dumpsters yet. By the way the times might not be the same each week. The garbage here where I live is emptied on the same days each weeks, but times could vary substantially. Could be early morning, could be afternoon, and sometimes a lot later in a day.

It was reported on Fox news yesterday that LE contacted landfill early in the investigation. Maybe info was relayed then. Also seems that the detectives may be saying don't bother because they know she's not there.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

LE has also recently been to his home searching, and with K9 units. Since that is the case, I feel it would be silly to disregard the chance that LE may have had a reason to be there.
There's no reason to convince others to "clear him" if you take away personal involvement motivation. As you yourself admitted, you have personal beliefs due to interactions with his brother and his friend. Please be aware that I find testimony given by people like that fairly meaningless. Think of how many times intimate friends and relatives have said "but he could never have done that! I know him!" and they turn out wrong.

My perspective may well be informed by the person apparently his brother, but I've never especially relied on that as compared to what has been said by others. And I'm relying on what they've said about the facts and other parties, not what they've said about JW.

Sure, LE has been to his place. It would be a failure on their part not to.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

There was a discussion ... a few pages back, I believe ... regarding this. If I recall correctly, it was reported somewhere that she spent a small amount of time at MB/CR's and then left when MB didn't want to party. But another source reported that she spent much longer at MB/CR's and less time at JR's, which would give her less time to party, etc., there. I'll try to find it ...

thank you for trying to find it. I don't think i've seen information about the length of time LS spent at MB/CR. And i haven't seen information regarding her arrival time to JR's.

 

[Jupiter812]

To Tony Gatto:

If I recall, you had posted a while ago that sources told you that CR ran out of the building on his own, then LS followed. Now you are saying that sources have described her appearance similarly to the guy who viewed the video, showing her stumbling out of the elevator and falling on her knees, needing to be helped up by a companion.

My question is: Do you think the story is changing and that the initial sources weren't correct? I have a hard time believing that if she was really that messed up, she'd have the frame of mind to go after CR (if he'd already left the building), after just having to be helped up by a "companion". I'm wondering if the original report wasn't true, and if the companion who helped her up wasn't CR. Can you elaborate on what you've been told please?

As I recall there was no source other than tony's own flash of inspiration of what he did in Brooklyn when he was a kid.

 

[jjenny]

It was reported on Fox news yesterday that LE contacted landfill early in the investigation. Maybe info was relayed then. Also seems that the detectives may be saying don't bother because they know she's not there.

I am sorry, but how could LE possibly know she is not there, considering they haven't found her, and appear to have no clue where she is.

 

[bx2]

thank you for trying to find it. I don't think i've seen information about the length of time LS spent at MB/CR. And i haven't seen information regarding her arrival time to JR's.

Just posted above where it had been reported (notice the conflicting accounts), I still very much believe we should be keeping the arrival to CR/MB's, the departure time from there, and the arrival to JR's in the unknown column.

 

[Jupiter812]

I don't know if its possible to get into the building without being on camera, but I have posted pics of the precise coverage of the cameras on the store front area.

Here is one. I'll have to look for the pic of the camera on the other end.

Ah, here is the other view.

Even if they are on camera and the building turned over the disc to LE we wouldn't necessarily know.

 

[Darcyline]

I've read a lot of that perspective, and believe it is a function of differences of age and/or geography.

What I have read from sources that I believe are reliable (as well as the public account of HT) says only good things about the relationship.

Most of what I have read just says he is a great guy and loved her very much. A bit different from the relationship being perfect. I do see that you may have contacts or resources that I don't though.

Relationship perfect or not, my angry meter is pointing in a different direction right now.

 

[elmomom]

Sure, LE has been to his place. It would be a failure on their part not to.

Have they brought the dogs to 10th and College? To Smallwood? To the landfill? This search happened much later than the initial searches of 5 North and JW's. This was after they knew everything we talk about here.
If they didn't suspect him, they would not have wasted time and resources searching.

 

[elmomom]

... about 10th and College. There are 2 different buildings, am I correct? One is the apartments, and the other..? Someone mentioned that the entrances on the one that ZO resides in may not have been on camera.

 

[jjenny]

Have they brought the dogs to 10th and College? To Smallwood? To the landfill? This search happened much later than the initial searches of 5 North and JW's. This was after they knew everything we talk about here.
If they didn't suspect him, they would not have wasted time and resources searching.

Well obviously they didn't find anything. Since there have been no arrests.

 

[Barry]

I haven't been able to cross any POI off of my personal list. IMO, any one or more of them could have inserted/re-inserted themselves in to the chaos of that night.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Have they brought the dogs to 10th and College? To Smallwood? To the landfill? This search happened much later than the initial searches of 5 North and JW's. This was after they knew everything we talk about here.
If they didn't suspect him, they would not have wasted time and resources searching.

There's no reason to bring dogs to 10th&C or Smallwood if cameras indicate that LS was at neither. And I'd imagine the cost of searching JW's is rather different from that of searching a landfill.

 

[elmomom]

ZO lived at 10th and College Village.

my source is personal communication with TG

 

[Jupiter812]

Yes they're saying that.

 

[bx2]

... about 10th and College. There are 2 different buildings, am I correct? One is the apartments, and the other..? Someone mentioned that the entrances on the one that ZO resides in may not have been on camera.

There is Tenth and College apartments (facing College) and Tenth and College Village (facing Morton). I've been under the impression that ZO lives in the former; if it is the latter, that appears to be just as covered by cameras (from Btown's pics) though I cannot speak with the same confidence that I have about the former.

Site for each is http://www.cedarviewapts.com/

 

[imkeylime]

Well, I did try ... and thank those who had more luck. I agree it should be an "unknown." There was a discussion, but that's probably why it didn't go too far, given the circumstances.

 

[elmomom]

Well obviously they didn't find anything. Since there have been no arrests.

And nothing anywhere else either, which is why no one is cleared of suspicion yet, as well as no arrests.