IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #21

[Pedrosmom]

Almost positive the time listed above is in Pacific Time, if it matters to anyone. Which would put the time of the actual tweet at 1:00PM EDT.

Someone that needs an alibi, IMO

 

[Pedrosmom]

Alright. Not my favorite topic but this has been bothering me.

If two different search/cadaver dogs indicated LS at a dumpster "in the area" but yet LE doesn't believe she's in the landfill, what does this mean? Do any of these fit?

a. The dogs are wrong.
b. She was in the dumpster at some point but was moved before the dumpster was emptied.
c. She was near the dumpster alive or not, but never in it.
d. Other?

Possibly put in the dumpster until daylight when more activity was on the cameras, cars driving about, kids walking to class, people moving out, easier to have a reason to be seen on camera at 8AM than 3AM. Easy to say I was driving my roommate to class at 8AM rather than explain why your car was seen near/around dumpster at 3AM. JMO

 

[katydid23]

That would make total sense if LS never made it to 5 North. But WHY would JR place himself with Lauren if he didn't have to. That brings me back to my original theory that JR was the pasty, throw the scent toward JR and LE will focus on JR. But there's no evidence against JR and he would get off. Who is JR trying to protect and why? Did the boyfriend find LS in a near death condition, those drugs compliments of the 5 North gang and if you cover for me, I'll cover for you? IMO, she never entered 5 North (aside from earlier in the night when she was there with DR and HT). She met her demise at 3AM per the video. CR takes off because he already got the snot kicked out of him, which puts him on the sidewalk and not the alley - where she is met by someone else, or maybe two. JW being one (out looking for his girlfriend) with maybe someone else... then they hide the body for the night. JW gets up and drives his roommate to class, then he takes off for a couple hours and disposes of LS when he can blend in with other cars and people out at 8AM. Much harder to find his car on video at 8AM than at 3AM. My gut tells me that the Spierers are speaking to JW to talk. Maybe she was too far gone to be saved by the time he got to her, or maybe he was raging mad that she was with CR, heading toward CR's apartment. JMO but that attorney video makes a lot of sense. The atty statement that excludes the CR, JR, MB crowd also makes sense as LE states the activity was at 3AM. Makes sense that she never even entered those townhomes. The 5 North crowd has some culpability in supplying the goods that put her in the condition she was in, but I don't believe they had anything to do with hiding the body.

I find it so strange that while he is looking for his girlfriend, he drives his roommate to class. My answer to that would be walk your own a**, I have some bigger problems. But it was an excuse to take out the car - in case it was seen on video. I have no doubt it was. Let's hope he wasn't smart enough to leave the cell phones (his and LS's) behind or LE has got the pings. Why aren't those pings leading to anything? Because they're all coming from the same tower. She is/was close.

My theory. My opinion. We are all entitled to one. Have at it.

BBM

I agree with much of this theory. I have always been suspicious of JW. Reportedly they were supposed to get together that night after the game he was watching. He began calling her cell and received no response. Would he just go to sleep? I wonder, because they dated for 2 years. So he must have cared about her. Would he just ignore it if she stood him up and never answered her cell? Wouldn't he worry about her? I know my daughters BF would worry and look into it if they had plans and she stopped answering her cell. Especially if he knew she was out late in a bar by herself. He would be worried and jealous, depending upon what he found out. But I don't think he would just go to sleep and forget about it.

 

[Pedrosmom]

BBM

I agree with much of this theory. I have always been suspicious of JW. Reportedly they were supposed to get together that night after the game he was watching. He began calling her cell and received no response. Would he just go to sleep? I wonder, because they dated for 2 years. So he must have cared about her. Would he just ignore it if she stood him up and never answered her cell? Wouldn't he worry about her? I know my daughters BF would worry and look into it if they had plans and she stopped answering her cell. Especially if he knew she was out late in a bar by herself. He would be worried and jealous, depending upon what he found out. But I don't think he would just go to sleep and forget about it.

I also think that her roommate, HT is protecting him for some reason. O believe that she was in contact with him that entire night, down to LS leaving Smallwood with CR and headed to CR's apt. She had made a strange comment and altough I don't have the exact quote it was along the lines of Lauren made some poor choices that night. She talks of what a loving boyfriend he was while the facts seem to be different. The day before LS de-friended JW on FB, things were rockier than HT would have you believe. She was supposed to go to JW's that night and I don't believe he would "fall asleep" without knowning where she was. I'm sure HT gave him a blow by blow of everywhere she was that night (starting out at JR's with DR and HT and others), then the fight at Smallwood, then she goes back to Smallwood after the bar and leaves rather quickly - WITH CR. HT was the one to throw out that JR was the last to see LS at 4:30 when she left. Throw the scent off JW. Now if I were a loving boyfriend, which I'm not, I would tend to think that knowing that your GF is with another guy all night could strike a mean streak into the situation. LE debunked his sleeping alibi and searched his car and house and he submitted to a poly. He boasts that he passed but LE hasn't confirmed that. I wonder if cadaver dogs hit on his car? One would think that you'd need some good probable cause to search his car and house even though the guy was claiming to be sleeping all night. That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah he's the boyfriend, and he's under the microscope but he's NOWHERE in sight of Lauren that entire evening - Unless LE sees something we don't - like the unnamed person on the 3AM video, or his car in a precarious location, in a spot of interest. There's something about JW that is keeping him in the ring of POIs. My gut is they're grilling him over some hot coals but he's protecting someone or perhaps a group that is bigger than what he can handle. like the 5 North crowd. JMO but a strong one at that.

 

[Walker]

That all depends on the time CR sees himself on the video. Seems to me it would be on his way back to 5 North and not at 4:30 when JR says LS left. LE confirms that there is no sighting of LS on video apparently walking in the direction JR seems to think. In fact, the last sighting of LS on video was the activity at around 3AM. If CR is alone, what time was that at? Did LS even make it to the 5 North townhomes? Sounds to me from LE confirming last sighting exiting the alley and person or persons there, then CR caught on tape on the sidewalk in front of attys office, I can only deduce that CR sighting is around or after the time LS "activity" is caught on tape - and not with CR, whom she originally set off to 5 North with. If CR is on tape long after the 3AM activity, then he's questionable. But why publicize a tape that gets your client off the hook if it in fact makes him more culpable?

Do you have a link?

If CR was caught on video in front of the attorney's office, he would have had to run away alone from the "activity" towards College Avenue leaving LS behind? Then get MB to lie that the two of them arrived at 5 North, and the events & conversation that supposedly followed.

JMO: LS then asking MB if he wanted to party doesn't sound quite right to me. After the Smallwood altercation, and the activity, and CR going to bed (passed out)?

 

[Inspector Gidget]

I also think that her roommate, HT is protecting him for some reason. O believe that she was in contact with him that entire night, down to LS leaving Smallwood with CR and headed to CR's apt. She had made a strange comment and altough I don't have the exact quote it was along the lines of Lauren made some poor choices that night. She talks of what a loving boyfriend he was while the facts seem to be different. The day before LS de-friended JW on FB, things were rockier than HT would have you believe. She was supposed to go to JW's that night and I don't believe he would "fall asleep" without knowning where she was. I'm sure HT gave him a blow by blow of everywhere she was that night (starting out at JR's with DR and HT and others), then the fight at Smallwood, then she goes back to Smallwood after the bar and leaves rather quickly - WITH CR. HT was the one to throw out that JR was the last to see LS at 4:30 when she left. Throw the scent off JW. Now if I were a loving boyfriend, which I'm not, I would tend to think that knowing that your GF is with another guy all night could strike a mean streak into the situation. LE debunked his sleeping alibi and searched his car and house and he submitted to a poly. He boasts that he passed but LE hasn't confirmed that. I wonder if cadaver dogs hit on his car? One would think that you'd need some good probable cause to search his car and house even though the guy was claiming to be sleeping all night. That doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah he's the boyfriend, and he's under the microscope but he's NOWHERE in sight of Lauren that entire evening - Unless LE sees something we don't - like the unnamed person on the 3AM video, or his car in a precarious location, in a spot of interest. There's something about JW that is keeping him in the ring of POIs. My gut is they're grilling him over some hot coals but he's protecting someone or perhaps a group that is bigger than what he can handle. like the 5 North crowd. JMO but a strong one at that.

I agree with you on all and I think HT was very fond of JW and most likely wanted him for herself JMO.Yes why hasn't JW been cleared,there has got to be a reason

 

[Chris007]

Alright. Not my favorite topic but this has been bothering me.

If two different search/cadaver dogs indicated LS at a dumpster "in the area" but yet LE doesn't believe she's in the landfill, what does this mean? Do any of these fit?

a. The dogs are wrong.
b. She was in the dumpster at some point but was moved before the dumpster was emptied.
c. She was near the dumpster alive or not, but never in it.
d. Other?

Maybe they put her in the dumpster while they went to dig another spot for her. They thought they might get caught if they have the body with her, if she is found in the dumpster that would be ok or if the trash is picked up they are find that way too.

They dig up a spot, go back to the dumpster pick her up and then bury her in the spot. Then they also know that the police will be picking up the scent for the dumpster and searching for her in the wrong area.

 

[imkeylime]

That would make total sense if LS never made it to 5 North. But WHY would JR place himself with Lauren if he didn't have to. That brings me back to my original theory that JR was the pasty, throw the scent toward JR and LE will focus on JR. But there's no evidence against JR and he would get off. Who is JR trying to protect and why? Did the boyfriend find LS in a near death condition, those drugs compliments of the 5 North gang and if you cover for me, I'll cover for you? ...

IMO, unless he actually did something to harm her, JW would have more to gain than lose by taking LS to Emergency if he found her ODing. He didn't party with her that night and knew she had long QT syndrome (I think I read this?), so if he found her collapsed, he might think about more than an OD. And he appears to have had feelings for her. But if he'd actually injured her, and had something over JR, that would change everything.

JR as pasty for CR and/or MB also obviously works. He gives CR more of an alibi ... not only was he home sleeping off a punch or whatever, but LS left his apartment for JR's, with MB watching her go. I've never doubted CR as much as JR, maybe because he stayed in town longer and seemed more accessible. But actually, why not provide DNA ... his would be on LS if they were hanging onto each other, just not intimately unless they had sex.

That said, I don't see why JR would cover for CR, either, unless CR had something over him. But it still comes back to JR, just like it began with him.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Instead of the "drug wars" and overly stringent laws, we need to educate people away from substance abuse. Do young people understand the drugs essentially work by interfering with their brain chemistry, and how much damage that might do to their mental and physical health?

O/T...

I go to local high schools and give presentations about this stuff. I give them the knowledge but I can't force them not to feel invincible. :/

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

JW gets up and drives his roommate to class, then he takes off for a couple hours and disposes of LS when he can blend in with other cars and people out at 8AM. Much harder to find his car on video at 8AM than at 3AM.

Can I ask where this 8AM is coming from? JW's roommate said JW drove him to a noon class. He reported her missing just before 4:30PM - http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/07/03/news.qp-1931501.sto. Iirc (and I may not), he got the keys from HT during a class that started at 2PM.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

The rumors I've heard (and they are rumors) is that he was there for at least a few days, that he was in his apt the first time LE searched it, that he talked to Mr Spierer and that he went to Israel on a pre-planned trip over the summer. And that Barcelona is on his FB page only because he was there first semester last year.
I do not endorse this info, I am simply stating what I have heard. Mainly from PT threads. You can still find the early threads if you look.

The only above "rumor" that comes (in the first instance) from a PT thread is that he was in Barcelona during one semester of the past school year. The notion that JR was in the apt when LE searched it can only be derived by inference from a post indicating that LE kicked down the door of the apartment, information that could (and probably would) have been learned by any one of the residents in absentia and which might be taken to imply that no one was at home at the time (wouldn't they just have opened the door?). The notion that JR was in town for a few days seems to follow inferentially from that first inference.

Can you provide a cite for the notion that JR was either in town for a few days or talked to Mr. S?

 

[illinialum]

I haven't been following this case as closely as I did earlier :/ so I'm out of the loop a bit...

Can someone please explain this "new" video showing CR alone at 3 a.m.?

Also, to repeat the previous poster, where in MSM does it say JW drove his roommate to class at 8 a.m.? I've seen this mentioned a few times before on Web Sleuths, but I don't recall reading it in a news story. Or is this something from PT?

Thank you!

 

[imkeylime]

Instead of the "drug wars" and overly stringent laws, we need to educate people away from substance abuse. Do young people understand the drugs essentially work by interfering with their brain chemistry, and how much damage that might do to their mental and physical health?

Drugs need to be demystified: the music industry glamorizes the drug experience, but young people need to hear the results of actual drug abuse in the most clinical terms.


The above linked article should be required reading for all high school and college students.

I thank you for this, and thank elmomom for the link (will have my kids read it) ... and PlainJaneDoe for speaking in the schools. I don't get it, either. I wonder, for example, if kids think it's safer to add Rx drugs to the mix just because they're Rx drugs? I was floored by my daughter telling me that one of her friends tried to "smoke" tylenol as a joke. Now I'm no chemist, and perhaps the only harm here is emulating crack, but why? Even the effects of steroids need to be discussed, IMO ... even the effects of energy drinks like Red Bull when combined with vodka.

It's not like I never partied during my college years, and I feel great empathy for LS. She seemed like a beautiful person, so one way to honor that could be to educate others, IMO.

 

[Alliecog]

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/08/03/news.qp-2477468.sto

BPD refusing to speak about landfill warrant, this is discouraging to say the least.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Can someone please explain this "new" video showing CR alone at 3 a.m.?

There is no such video

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

I agree with you on all and I think HT was very fond of JW and most likely wanted him for herself JMO.Yes why hasn't JW been cleared,there has got to be a reason

Does this answer the question? “We have taken the position to not speak about details related to the investigation unless it would be done to solicit tips or assistance from the public." http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/08/03/news.qp-2477468.sto

 

[Jupiter812]

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/08/03/news.qp-2477468.sto


This is a huge piece of positive news! It's news to me anyway.

"On July 16, The Herald-Times reported that Bloomington police had contacted the landfill’s manager soon after Spierer went missing inquiring if the trash from Bloomington from after June 3 still was there. It was, and was set aside. "

:great:

 

[jjenny]

There is no such video

Exactly.

 

[mamamia54]

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/08/03/news.qp-2477468.sto


This is a huge piece of positive news! It's news to me anyway.

"On July 16, The Herald-Times reported that Bloomington police had contacted the landfill’s manager soon after Spierer went missing inquiring if the trash from Bloomington from after June 3 still was there. It was, and was set aside. "

:great:

Yep. I don't know who the BPD is attempting to fool, but the FBI doesn't request a landfill search unless they have an idea that a body could be there.

 

[jjenny]

Yep. I don't know who the BPD is attempting to fool, but the FBI doesn't request a landfill search unless they have an idea that a body could be there.

I don't think anyone would want to do a landfill search unless they believed that a body could be in there. It's so much less pleasant than searching in a nature environments.