IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #23

[Jupiter812]

So many thoughts and good posts to thank and reply to; so little time!

I find myself repeatedly thinking, wishing, hoping that one day, hopefully soon, this case will be solved.

• We will learn every twist and turn, every meaningful detail.
• We will all respond with a collective "Wow! We didn't see that one! Who knew?! I never expected that.. or him or her!"

I don't think this is a WYSIWYG case. I think the truth is either somewhere in-between or something that none of us knows or can see.

Just musing... and raying:

 

[plaidmom]

Ok, got it. So the official timeline is she left Kilroy's at 2:30am and got to Smallwood at 2:42am. You're saying this witness sighting could have happened at 2:38am? Or just that she was seen at 2:38am on camera, but not necessarily in the scenario described by the witness?

I lost all faith in BPD's ability to decipher security camera time-stamps during the whole "white truck" debacle.

 

[Jupiter812]

The part of the CS message that catches me each time I read it is: "...as June 2nd becomes June 3rd..." (from memory so I may not have it exactly right.)

To me that is such an odd phrase to include. When I read it I cant help but wonder if CS might be using words verbatim from a text or vm on LS's phone from that night/morning. Then again, maybe that phrase was included to simply clarify the time of day for readers.
Just seems sort of strange to me.

I think it was twofold: To clarify the time of day and to add a bit of interest and literary flair. It was successful in both regards imo.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

CS: JR is lying.

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-laur...-rosenbaum-is-lying-20110830,0,3219029.column

I'd say it speaks for itself, but I'd add that to me it clearly means that JR has had contact with the family (and probably, as I've always assumed, LE) only through counsel.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

And people are really still asking if CR is the guy in the video? The only reason we can't say that 100% (99 imo) is that LE hasn't named any names.

And the JW-LS relationship thing? The idea that they were on the outs is contrary to the statements of LS's friends (at least HT, and I believe others), and, I believe, based on a misinterpretation of JW's facebook post.

 

[Jupiter812]

I'm not convinced that it's CR either... but I don't think it's JW which seems to be another popular option. (I truly believe that JW is out of this picture)
DR perhaps?

Your idea about LS being shoved is an interesting one... hadn't thought about that scenario... perhaps CR was pissed at her for whatever the altercation was about...

Yes, I am thinking DR as well. And regarding, CR--exactly.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Idk what this LS being shoved business is about, but LE was clear that she was not involved in the confrontation.

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

I think what it means is that LE has LS on video at ~ 2:38 am, which would have been around time she left the bar and went to smallwood, which fits with the rest of the timeline. No doubt Kilroy has video of LS being there presumably with CR, so that's not surprising LS is on video at 2.38 am. Absolutely nothing to suggest LE believes the witness actually saw her at 3.38 am. And in fact Qualters said that they have no evidence to suggest LS was out where witness said she was at 3.38 am.

This timeline is wrong. She arrived at SW at 2:30 and left at 2:42. Whether or not the witness is credible, the only video evidence of LS after 2:42 is at 2:48 going through the alley and 2:51 exiting the alley towards 5N.

 

[Jupiter812]

http://www.wthr.com/story/15363599/spierers-parents-concerned-message-isnt-heeded

"You can not walk by and expect somebody else to do the right thing. You have to take it upon yourself to do the right thing and that is the message we want people to hear, understand, absorb and incorporate into their behavior," Spierer said.

Interesting. Earlier she said something about calling 911 - three numbers that could change your future. Now, she refers to people "walking by". That choice of phrasing makes me think that she believes something happened outside. I've always really believed it was an accident, but now I strongly believe that. These recent statements by CS make me believe she knows something. "You can not walk by and expect somebody else to do the right thing."...seems to give some credibility to the 3:38 witness, huh?

I tend to agree. I'm of the opinion that both RS and CS are very intentional in their speech and wording. Also, this was a planned story. RS had time to plan what he was going to say.

It reminds me of this: “He who does not prevent a crime when he can, encourages it.” Seneca

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Interesting. Earlier she said something about calling 911 - three numbers that could change your future. Now, she refers to people "walking by". That choice of phrasing makes me think that she believes something happened outside. I've always really believed it was an accident, but now I strongly believe that. These recent statements by CS make me believe she knows something. "You can not walk by and expect somebody else to do the right thing."...seems to give some credibility to the 3:38 witness, huh?[/I]

If it does, it would seem to me that she is attacking a key witness who could help her go after the perp. Why would she do that?

 

[Jupiter812]

IDK, because he's not the brightest crayon in the box and spoke with HT (who this info originally came from) before he purchased a shiny attorney?

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I think this explains a lot, I really do. I mean look at what he's said even AFTER purchasing said shiny attorney! "I deal with them privately. I talk to them privately." wtf

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

I think this explains a lot, I really do. I mean look at what he's said even AFTER purchasing said shiny attorney! "I deal with them privately. I talk to them privately." wtf

I would guess that this is close to what his attorney told him to say.

 

[Jupiter812]

I imagine an unattended cell phone sitting on a table or wherever at a bar is v unlikely to be regarded as lost until after the bar closes.

Chances are the owner of the unattended-pre-bar-close cell phone is simply in the bathroom, outside having a smoke or otherwise indisposed and will return before/at closing-time to retrieve their phone (and might be a bit po'd if they do go back to where they left it and find out bar employees have taken it and have been scrolling through their contacts/text messages).

And it's doubtful the bar employees started calling LS's contacts at 3:30 am. Most likely they put it up on a secure lost and found shelf to be dealt with the next day. So probably sometime during the day Friday (after 11 am? not sure what time Kilroy's opens).

What I'd like to know is why on earth would a bar employee just turn over a customer's phone to some guy the very next morning?! Absurd. But that's Sports for ya.

 

[Jupiter812]

I would guess that this is close to what his attorney told him to say.

Attorney = BSer

 

[bloom54]

JR's attorney must be rather livid with him about now. He's either lying or jumbling up his tenses ... maybe he plans on talking with them privately? Wishful thinking ...

I thought maybe "privately" meant "in my head"... :floorlaugh:

I agree... his attorney is probably :banghead: or maybe even :sick:

 

[phantomthought]

At some point earlier in the thread, it was mentioned that CS (I believe) stated that the last time LS used her cell was at 12:16 BEFORE she left SW to go to JR's. This means that the entire time she was at JR's, then went to Kilroy's, where she left the phone, it was not used. This is despite the fact that JW claims that he was texting her and unable to reach her, so he went to bed at 2:30ish. It doesn't appear that she left the phone at Sport's until around 2:15. So, was he lying about texting her? Was he texting her and she was ignoring it? Did she have her phone turned off? Did someone else have her phone? Lots of questions I have about this info.

That is one of the confusing parts of HT's comments.She states that JW told her they were suppose to get together that night.She goes on to say JW could not get in touch with her because she left her phone at the bar.That would mean JW did not try to get in touch with her until after 2:15 which does not sound right.Then you have reports of JW roommate saying he did not make or receive any phone calls that night.Which would mean that even though they were suppose to get together that night neither one of them called each other which makes no sense.I would think the 12:16 phone call would have been to JW to tell him she did not want to get together that night.If not maybe JW just told HT that when he was trying to get her key to their apartment.

 

[Jupiter812]

Psst...pass it on:

To talk means to communicate by spoken words. :rolling:

 

[AnalyticalExaminer]

Attorney = BSer

Not sure what you're trying to say here. His attorney is mad at him and his attorney is a "BSer"? Do you know what you're trying to say?

 

[OldSteve]

So many thoughts and good posts to thank and reply to; so little time!

I find myself repeatedly thinking, wishing, hoping that one day, hopefully soon, this case will be solved.

• We will learn every twist and turn, every meaningful detail.
• We will all respond with a collective "Wow! We didn't see that one! Who knew?! I never expected that.. or him or her!"

I don't think this is a WYSIWYG case. I think the truth is either somewhere in-between or something that none of us knows or can see.

Just musing... and raying:

For me that will be that it was a random abduction.

 

[bloom54]

That is one of the confusing parts of HT's comments.She states that JW told her they were suppose to get together that night.She goes on to say JW could not get in touch with her because she left her phone at the bar.That would mean JW did not try to get in touch with her until after 2:15 which does not sound right.Then you have reports of JW roommate saying he did not make or receive any phone calls that night.Which would mean that even though they were suppose to get together that night neither one of them called each other which makes no sense.I would think the 12:16 phone call would have been to JW to tell him she did not want to get together that night.If not maybe JW just told HT that when he was trying to get her key to their apartment.

Many of HT's descriptions of the evening have been, shall we say, likely more "impressions" than facts... so I've always taken with a grain of salt what she said about "JW could not get in touch with her"... and even HT's assertion that they were supposed to get together that night... maybe those were the plans earlier in the evening and then LS decided she wanted to party, but JW wasn't interested. I've never found it odd that they weren't together that night... and never really bought into the fact that he must have been a raging maniac about her being with someone else. MANY relationships allow for members of that relationship to have other friends (even friends of the opposite sex!)...