IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #28

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

2 things I came across last night while reading old articles that I had never read before, or had forgotten. These two things speak loudly to me.

Students who encountered Spierer, 20, and her pal -- identified by friends as Corey Rossman -- leaving the building told The Post that she was drunk, he was bothering her and that he got angry when they asked him to stop.
The first, "He" is CR.
"He was being overly aggressive . . . being so belligerent," one said.

But the two walked away together, winding up at Rossman's apartment, witnesses said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/09/corey-rossman-last-man-to_n_873992.html

The 2nd:
“I feel if she never met Corey Rossman, she’d be alive today,” Robert Spierer said. “His claim of memory loss is laughable.”

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04...erers-parents-dont-believe-daughter-is-alive/


I'm going on the assumption that Mr. & Mrs. Spierer, while they may not know everything LE knows, know more than we know and he feels this way for a reason.

Now. Where would these guys put her?
*All BBM

 

[deca]

It would be nice to hear a more detailed account from those witnesses who ran into CR and LS. Belligerent how? They imply towards LS, but I would like to hear more about exactly what they heard.

 

[Thinking About It]

Have you suggested this possibility to the BPD or BD?

So, as I have diligently made folks aware, by posting the "Stupid Newbie" picture with my profile, I'm working on lots of my own abilities and smarts, and have read all the posts up to now (yah, I know, hours...what am I thinking) but I'm really pathetic at acronyms.

So, does BPD mean Bloomington Police Dept? and if so, what is BD?

I have not made any suggestions to anyone, because, again, I am a complete rank newbie here, and at this point, my only sense of purpose, is to write and post what I think is important, and has not been discussed before.

Long answer to short question...no, I've not suggested this possibility anywhere. Today, I am going through responses, and responding to other people's responses. I've been offline for a couple weeks.

Thinking

 

[Thinking About It]

One thought I have is whether Bloomington requires residents to use brown paper yard refuse bags vs. the black plastic kind. In my town (in New England), we can only use the brown paper type ... and I'm not sure she would have been totally concealed. ???

Regardless what the rules are, when there is that much stuff around, big, black, plastic bags will be used, and folks taking them away will not spend much time complaining about the breach in regulations.

There are few things we can agree upon in this case. But one is that the girl disappeared in a way that no one has yet found her. Given we know her state that night, it is essentially impossible to expect that she somehow hid herself this well. Therefore, we can agree that someone hid her, and whatever method they used, covered her scent.

After a week-long power outage, we had to toss nasty stuff from our fridge. I have not smelled long-term death, but I suspect the pungency level of that rotting meat and other food, came close. Yet, bagged into plastic construction bags entirely hid the smell.

If we agree that her body was hidden, and we agree that there are serious clues available if her body were found, then it seems to me that finding her body would be the best step toward solving her disappearance. No matter what the reason was that someone made her disappear.

Thinking

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

I'm confused. What makes you think LS was locked out of Smallwood?

I was just about the ask the same question.

 

[Thinking About It]

All trash haulers should have been on the lookout for Lauren by Monday. And, a body in a trash bag would not feel the same as, leaves, shingles, or wood. Furthermore, if one has ever smelled death, this smell will make you puke right now. I think someone should have noticed.

I've been through a massive cleanup after a wide-spread, powerful storm. If the body were taken to where power had been out for a few days, while the weather was heating up for the summer, people would have had bags of the decomposing stuff from their refrigerators, not just blown around yard waste.

IF someone was intentionally trying to make her disappear--and the fact that she disappeared on a night when she was so impaired suggests that someone did--they would go to great pains to make sure they did it successfully. They could drive just a few miles to where the storm had been worst, and the piles of stuff was biggest.

Judging by what I saw here after a huge storm, those piles would not be orderly, and a lot of stuff would never be touched up close by humans. Big loading trucks come up to piles, scoop up a bunch of stuff, and drop it into dump trucks.

But even double-bagged, a dead body would likely be detectable to special dogs who sniff for death. Probably a huge endeavor to take dogs out through all the places storm junk was piled into land-fills that summer, but I cannot think of any better way to search the poor woman's body. If the future of humanity rested on finding her, that is what I think they should do to look. But it doesn't, and though crass and sad, finances limit what is done to solve cases.

Thinking

 

[akh]

Maybe my memory is fuzzy but I don't remember any storms of the type that would leave huge debris fields and loader cleanups from that period of time.

BD is usually used to mean Bo(Beau) Deitl (private investigator).

Not sure why the idea of the phone being tossed into Sports is coming from? Is there some reason to not believe she could've forgotten and left it there? Also, I'd assume any messages or texts that would be 'erased' from the phone would not actually be 'gone' and LE would've seen/heard them directly from the cell service provider's equipment in the course of the investigation.

The Smallwood confrontation is still IMHO a huge missing piece to the story whether it ultimately had anything to do with her disappearance or not. Regardless of whether we think it was over drugs, CR's trespassing, the fact he was with LS, or whether they felt he was disrespecting LS the fact remains she left with or followed him out of the building. If she wanted to be away from him and any advances then she had opportunity.

None of this means CR cannot be guilty of her disappearance but it ruins the narrative as to being he was somehow keeping her with him against her wishes. Unless the story isn't how it's been told, she made a decision to leave Smallwood with him after the confrontation.

 

[AbbeyR]

sorry to keep posting but I have alot of time off right now. here are a couple of police runs in the area, I think the assault is in SW IIRC:
CASENUMBER: B12-03753 2
Offense Code: SICK/INJURED PERSON
Officer: BURNS, BENJAMIN INACTIVE
Date/Time: 4/20/2012 2 2:58:21 AM INACTIVE
Address: 1335 N LINCOLN ST

OFFICERS BEGIN ADMINISTERING CPR TO THE INJURED FEMALE.
___________________________________________________________________________

CASENUMBER: B12-03753 3
Offense Code: SICK/INJURED PERSON
Officer: FORSTON, CODY C INACTIVE
Date/Time: 4/20/2012 2 2:58:21 AM INACTIVE
Address: 1335 N LINCOLN ST

SEVERAL OFFICERS ASSIST THE INJURED FEMALE.
___________________________________________________________________________

CASENUMBER: B12-03753 IR
Offense Code: SICK/INJURED PERSON
Officer: FOSNAUGH, ANTHONY INACTIVE
Date/Time: 4/20/2012 2 2:58:21 AM INACTIVE
Address: 1335 N LINCOLN ST

A 20 YEAR OLD MALE AND A 20 YEAR OLD FEMALE FELL FROM A PORCH WHERE THEY
BOTH SUFFERED INJURIES AND WERE TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL FOR CARE.
___________________________________________________________________________

CASENUMBER: B12-03758 IR
Offense Code: BATTERY/ASSAULT, SIMPLE
Officer: HUNTER, JACOB CLEARED ARREST ADULT
Date/Time: 4/20/2012 2 3:15:01 AM ADULT ARREST
Address: 601 N COLLEGE AVE

OFFICERS WERE CALLED TO A DISTURBANCE. UPON ARRIVAL THERE WERE TWO FEMALE
SUBJECTS AND TWO MALE SUBJECTS IN THE HALLWAY. ALISON F. 22,
COMPLAINED OF PAIN IN HER HEAD AND CHASEN B. 22, WAS BLEEDING FROM
HIS NOSE AND HAD INJURIES TO HIS HEAD. MR. B. STATED THAT HE HAD BEEN
IN A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION WITH AN UNKNOWN MALE WHICH RESULTED IN HIS
INJURIES. MS. FIELD STATED THAT SHE WAS INJURED BY ONE OF THE MALES WHILE
TRYING TO BREAK UP THE FIGHT, BUT SHE DID NOT KNOW WHICH MALE IT WAS.
CHRISTIE H. 19, WAS ARRESTED FOR ILLEGAL CONSUMPTION AND TRESPASS.
___________________________________________________________________________

CASENUMBER: B12-03751 IR

Snipped.

Also, I don`t really understand what these cases show or how they are related to stranger abduction? I'm pretty sure that CPR incident was the case of that IU student who fell off the balcony and died, and if I recall, that weekend there was some kind of event and a record number of IU students were arrested...

 

[AbbeyR]

The Smallwood confrontation is still IMHO a huge missing piece to the story whether it ultimately had anything to do with her disappearance or not. Regardless of whether we think it was over drugs, CR's trespassing, the fact he was with LS, or whether they felt he was disrespecting LS the fact remains she left with or followed him out of the building. If she wanted to be away from him and any advances then she had opportunity.

None of this means CR cannot be guilty of her disappearance but it ruins the narrative as to being he was somehow keeping her with him against her wishes. Unless the story isn't how it's been told, she made a decision to leave Smallwood with him after the confrontation.

I never thought it sounded like people were implying she was taken against her wishes, only that she was too intoxicated to be able to care for herself and people were worried he was taking advantage of her in that state. Even if she went with him willingly.

 

[imkeylime]

Regardless what the rules are, when there is that much stuff around, big, black, plastic bags will be used, and folks taking them away will not spend much time complaining about the breach in regulations.

There are few things we can agree upon in this case. But one is that the girl disappeared in a way that no one has yet found her. Given we know her state that night, it is essentially impossible to expect that she somehow hid herself this well. Therefore, we can agree that someone hid her, and whatever method they used, covered her scent.

After a week-long power outage, we had to toss nasty stuff from our fridge. I have not smelled long-term death, but I suspect the pungency level of that rotting meat and other food, came close. Yet, bagged into plastic construction bags entirely hid the smell.

If we agree that her body was hidden, and we agree that there are serious clues available if her body were found, then it seems to me that finding her body would be the best step toward solving her disappearance. No matter what the reason was that someone made her disappear.

Thinking

In response to your previous quote: BD is Bo Dietl, a NYC PI the Spierers hired to help in the investigation. He's a colorful character with a reputation, but I'm not sure how helpful he's been.

I agree that finding a body would be a great step. OTOH, where to look is vast ... it seems like knowing who made her disappear could provide some direction. But I understand your sentiment.

Where I live (New England), the waste department seriously refuses to pick up yard waste that's not in brown paper bags. But I do think that those black plastic bags can hold a lot.

Anyhow, in terms of places to look ... if she was disposed of as "yard waste" (sorry for the image), would the end location be a different landfill than the one searched? Other posters have suggested lakes around Indy ...

 

[deca]

Plus plastic yard waste bags are ripped up at a facility so the leaves are released and can be turned to mulch.

Everywhere I have lived the yard waste bags are physically lifted into the truck. If LS was 100 lbs, well, there is no way those men would be lifting that into the truck without taking a peek.

I think that poster was implying that she could have been picked up in some sort of other debris waste but I am not sure how that would have worked.

 

[Ixchel13]

Snipped.

Also, I don`t really understand what these cases show or how they are related to stranger abduction? I'm pretty sure that CPR incident was the case of that IU student who fell off the balcony and died, and if I recall, that weekend there was some kind of event and a record number of IU students were arrested...

by posting just a few SOs living and working in the exact area, and by posting the two police runs, one to SW, I'm showing what goes on around there, and who's walking through it. If you notice in the police run in the hallway, both the injured girl who got in the way and the boy who was fighting refused to identify the boy they were fighting with. IIRC, the kids witnessing CRs confrontation didn't identify ZO until the police got involved. By posting the balcony fall report, I'm showing that these kids get really effed up and hurt themselves all the time..
About the phone....we have the phone reported missing first by LS
because she was looking for it. Then we have it at Kilroys the next morning.
Since we are thinking about scenarios, and if we are thinking that someone purposely hid her phone, the only reason that could be would be to keep her from contacting JW. Again, the reason why all this happened does not have to include what happened at the end.
When asked if he passed a polygraph, JW replied to a reporter something like,"do you think I would be standing here if I didn't pass?" not much of an answer.
Actually, finding out what kind of behind-the-scenes drama was unfolding really doesn't matter unless JW was in fact in contact with Lauren's roommates while she didn't have her phone. It could also be why she was so desperate to find her phone. It's almost like someone issued a don't help Lauren order, i.e., also the girls who wouldn't let her in at 10th and College. As a veteran partier, I believe LS had most of her running around done, was running over to Kilroy's for a minute, and was coming right back. She made it up to her floor--the altercation did not happen in the lobby downstairs, but on the 5th floor lobby near her apt. Why in the world didn't her roommates help her? No one tells the roommates down the hall that their roomie is in trouble? Unless they already know because they have been in contact with DR the whole time. Jealously is probably the most destructive emotion--here's this beautiful, wealthy girl,with a handsome, wealthy boyfriend--who I hear was one of the underground frat's leaders; and she
also has the attention of the new available guy too. If I thought her boyfriend was hot and she was getting ready to cheat on him, I might try to
break them up when I finally had a chance. If she got back in the apt., w/o
cheating on her boyfriend, well that would not do. HT made it clear that she
was JWs champion, in fact her testimony practically cleared him. I do think alot of shenanigans were going on that night, typical heartless things young people do, and nothing deadly comes out of it. But if all of the things done add up to her being left defenseless, effed up and never making it home, a wise lawyer, really good lawyers like these kids have, would tell them not to admit to anything that may have contributed to this because of a civil suit.
IMO, MOO, like if I said I purposely wouldn't let my foaming at the mouth roommate into her residence so she could get help, so I could get her in trouble with her boyfriend, somewhere in that I could be initially construed as
partially liable for whatever happened later. Not saying that would happen, but if I talked first, until they had something better, I would be in the hotseat.

 

[Ixchel13]

about the confrontation at SW....ZO lived in 10th and College, not SW. But there he was, obviously not a trespasser. Lauren left, supposedly with DR, to go to Kilroys.
Did ZO leave a party at 10th and College because he knew LS was returning to SW with CR? or was he there already? As stated, the confrontation was NOT in the downstairs lobby. Both parties in the fight, ZO and CR, did not live in SW but were both on the 5th floor. LS and CR were outnumbered. They were supposedly prevented from entering Lauren's apt
and apparently made a getaway into the elevator. It is said Lauren was not the cause for the confrontation and is not seen participating in any way. Did she quickly enter her apt., again looking for the phone, and then decide to go with CR because she thought her phone was there? Maybe she never did leave her phone at Kilroys. All we know about the phone's whereabouts is that an employee from Kilroys called JW because he kept calling the phone. LE never tells us anything else about the phone. We don't know
when the phone was left there, and who called or whom she called. If I had something to do with the phone being hidden, and didn't want anyone to know, I could just put the phone over the fence. In the picture of LS leaving SW to go to Kilroys, it doesn't show her holding her phone which is what they all do. I guarantee you, Kilroys employees
could care less about phones, credit cards and keys which are left there all the time.
When they found it, and where, could be important. JW, HT, or anyone else could have returned the phone to Kilroys. No one knew LS was barefoot until an unidentified Kilroys employee said her shoes were with the phone. Not one of the POIs mentioned she was barefoot. Strangely, DR disappears from the scenario at Kilroys. Did he bring Laurens shoes and phone back to SW? This is what I mean by shenanigans. I have a weird feeling he was in HTs apt when the fight happened, with her phone and shoes--hence, she wanted to call him at JRs. I think they knew she was missing before they've admitted knowing, which was late the next morning/early afternoon. Not guilty of actually hurting her, but guilty of leaving her defenseless. My son, who helped look for LS
that summer, thinks the 5N guys are innocent, but that everyone involved wants to keep it in limbo, including the 5N guys, to avoid the civil suit they know, have been told, they will lose. And with the people involved all the way around from JR, JW, BW, MB,
the Spierers, DB, we are talking millions, not a few million but hundreds of millions, if
it can be proven that LS disappeared because of some people purposely placed her in danger and then did not help her.
I'm going to say it--her friends are a bunch of negligent A holes who caused her to disappear through their selfish actions. Whether they hid her body after an OD or someone grabbed her out of nowhere, it's their faults. Easy to say it's Lauren's own fault but in this case, I don't think so. We've all done things to our friends that we regret, but
it usually doesn't end up with someone disappearing out of thin air. Better to be under suspicion for something you didn't do that cannot be proven, then to pay out millions of dollars for something you did do that then caused her demise.

 

[sammi89]

I've noticed the phone keeps coming up. According to this article, Kilroy's called JW:

http://www.lohud.com/article/201206...ered-away-after-night-heavy-drinking-drug-use

I remember reading other articles from months ago where I think they actually interviewed one of the Kilroy's employees and the phone had been going off all morning. I unfortunately can't find that article now.

What I take from that is simply that the phone had been there for awhile so unless someone came back to Kilroy's that night and dropped it off or early in the morning, it was probably left by either LS or someone that was with LS when she was there.

Questions I have concerning the phone;
1) WHEN did Kilroy's find the phone? Before close, as they were closing, the next day as they were preparing to open?
Side notes off of this (maybe less valuable, but maybe insightful in how the phone was lost or if it was purposefully kept from her, or returned later):

A) Interesting that it was ever found at Kilroy's (and not stolen). I wondered if it was an iPhone or similar expensive phone that would have been more likely to have been stolen. So, what kind of phone did she have?

2) Where was the phone found? Most college kids are on the phone all the time when they are out. They are texting, taking pics, updating facebook and twitter. I can see taking off her shoes if she was in the sand, but leaving her phone? No way. Like A, it is more likely to be stolen and B) it would prevent her from being in touch with anyone. I could see it being lost in a bathroom though.


3) Who else was contacted by Kilroy's?

A) HT? Did HT even check in with her roomie?

B) JR? VeryVeritas mentioned JR told her to text HIM, but when he got no text did he seriously not bother texting even a, "hey, is this LS? Did you find your phone?" not even the next morning? Remember, HT has described him as their friend and a brotherly type.

C) CR and MB? They were asking if anyone saw a little blonde girl the next day. Did they know she had lost her phone? Regardless, instead of asking randoms, you'd think they would be texting/calling.



Sidenote: JW DID get the phone first. Obviously, he could erase incriminating texts and calls. However, the flip side is that he also had the ability to check out all of her texts and see what she had been up to before she lost her phone. Interesting that his reaction was to flip out on CR, MB, & JR.

 

[sammi89]

I never thought it sounded like people were implying she was taken against her wishes, only that she was too intoxicated to be able to care for herself and people were worried he was taking advantage of her in that state. Even if she went with him willingly.

Agreed. It sounds like LS could barely stand at that point (stumbling, falling over, etc.), possibly was already in a poor state, and they were literally ON HER FLOOR. Although how exactly they got back into the elevator is a little unclear (did they both go willingly into the elevator, did CR drag her back in with him, etc.), it has been described that when they emerged on the ground floor, it was LS that needed help walking and CR assisted her. She progressively appears to become worse from that point forward (hitting her head multiple times, being carried, etc.).

I wouldn't characterize that as "against her wishes/will" but I would say that it appears that she might not have been able to vocalize what her wishes or will was at that point.

ZO & CO. asked if she was okay. She did not respond. CR did for LS "She's okay, I've got it."

Later, another stranger would notice them and saw/heard LS hit her head. She was worried enough AT THAT MOMENT (NOT in hindsight) to ask if LS was okay. Again, LS did NOT respond. CR did, saying: "It's okay, I'll take care of it."


The BIG thing I notice is no one remembers LS speaking or stating she was okay. Did she not hear? Did she not understand? Did she try talking at all period?

I admit, college students can go in black outs, injure themselves, etc. etc. but if she was so bad she wasn't talking? Was she laughing? Some kids in black out stages will laugh as they fall over but usually, when asked, they'll insist they are fine or something. There's usually some kind of reaction. It's weird how hers is never really talked about until her miraculous recovery at JR's.

Throughout the night, CR said he had control of the situation. He would take care of it. It sounds like he did NOT have a handle on things and he certainly did not take care of LS. In fact, he gets back to his place and manages to get himself into bed (with the help of MB & LS supposedly) and leaves LS to figure it out on her own.


Honestly, I feel like Zo & Co. were one of very few who stepped in and at least tried to say SOMETHING. Heck, they got into a full-on fist fight because they thought she was in such bad shape. With what is known, it seems that they tried to do at least initially do the right thing.


I find it heartbreaking that two sets of relative strangers stopped CR and LS to ask if LS was okay and this tragedy still occurred.

 

[Ixchel13]

Questions I have concerning the phone;
1) WHEN did Kilroy's find the phone? Before close, as they were closing, the next day as they were preparing to open?
IIRC, the next day but they don't say when. The employee stated that they only called JW because he kept calling the phone. See, these kids leave this kind of stuff behind all the time. Employees don't call the phone to see whom it belongs to.Side notes off of this (maybe less valuable, but maybe insightful in how the phone was lost or if it was purposefully kept from her, or returned later):

A) Interesting that it was ever found at Kilroy's (and not stolen). I wondered if it was an iPhone or similar expensive phone that would have been more likely to have been stolen. So, what kind of phone did she have?

2) Where was the phone found? Most college kids are on the phone all the time when they are out. They are texting, taking pics, updating facebook and twitter. I can see taking off her shoes if she was in the sand, but leaving her phone? No way. Like A, it is more likely to be stolen and B) it would prevent her from being in touch with anyone. I could see it being lost in a bathroom though.

to get an idea, if you were standing on the "beach" in the back patio of Kilroys, you can look west and see SW just a street over. IMO, DR could have swiped LS's phone and walked it right over to SW, or maybe she even knew
he had it?
3) Who else was contacted by Kilroy's?

A) HT? Did HT even check in with her roomie?

To me, HT is smack dab in the middle of why LS continued on to 5N. I agree with Mr. Spierer, if Lauren hadn't met CR, this wouldn't have happened, but this HT betrayed LS somehow. IMO of course, out of jealousy, probably.
She says she never checked on Lauren at all the next day, and that was normal, supposedly. So, the kind of stuff that was going on that night was normal enough not to even peek in the direction of her room, even to see if she had hooked up? She didn't call JR to see if LS and CR had made it safely there? Did she call the girls at 10th and College and tell them not to let Lauren in? Or was she one of the girls at 10th and College and LS knew she went there? Did HT tell the girls at 10th and College who then told ZO, who then went over to SW because someone texted him that LS was on her way back to SW? HT is conspicuous in her absence after Lauren leaves for Kilroys.
What was she up to during this time? After Lauren leaves for Kilroys, HT supposedly never checks up on her until JW calls her the next afternoon.

Just had a thought about the girls at 10th and College who wouldn't let her in.
The alley that she and CR were last seen in runs between the two buildings,
and on either side of the alley are peoples' back doors, maybe the video shows her knocking on the girls' door, that makes perfect sense. Because otherwise, you cannot get to anyone's apt there without a key card at 10th and College. So if she was knocking on a door, it would have to be in that alley, because the storyline never has them walking all the way down to Morton and up the street, that would be the Village part. B) JR? VeryVeritas mentioned JR told her to text HIM, but when he got no text did he seriously not bother texting even a, "hey, is this LS? Did you find your phone?" not even the next morning? Remember, HT has described him as their friend and a brotherly type.

I think it's important to realize that these people are savvy, I'm sure they have burner phones that they call each other on. Who knows who called whom? hearsay is that JW also dealt, so possibly JR and JW had burner phones, as well as DR and DB. C) CR and MB? They were asking if anyone saw a little blonde girl the next day. Did they know she had lost her phone? Regardless, instead of asking randoms, you'd think they would be texting/calling.

Before or after JW and his dad came around?

Sidenote: JW DID get the phone first. Obviously, he could erase incriminating texts and calls. However, the flip side is that he also had the ability to check out all of her texts and see what she had been up to before she lost her phone. Interesting that his reaction was to flip out on CR, MB, & JR.

was he really in the dark about where Lauren went? IMO, someone--either DR, HT and/or BW, was keeping him informed.

 

[akh]

Honestly, I feel like Zo & Co. were one of very few who stepped in and at least tried to say SOMETHING. Heck, they got into a full-on fist fight because they thought she was in such bad shape. With what is known, it seems that they tried to do at least initially do the right thing.

I don't think that is known. Did the PI's fill in some blanks regarding the confrontation at Smallwood? I don't recall anything except speculation.

 

[sammi89]

After polling people, the answers that I got where similar.

1) Why did JR NOT tell LS to call him when she got back to SW?
He made a point to say that she had her SW keycard, so she would not need to call anyone to gain entry to the building, but would need entry to her apt.
So if he had told her to call him, and then she didn't call, he should have then started calling to find out what happened right away. Starting with HT, LS's roommate. But, no such calls occurred. Then he would have discovered that she didn't make it and could have called 911.

If JR had done the right thing and walked her home, none of this would have been necessary. But he couldn't walk her home if she were dead. He certainly could have waited the 10 minutes it would have taken for her to make it back to SW to call him to let him know she made it ok. Remember, he painted the picture of caring about her condition, giving her the walking test before letting her leave, and noticing her injuries. He then makes his caring continue by watching her from his tiny balcony... but then... he just goes to bed? No, not consistent. The Natural completion of this, and I know people of all ages that do this, is to ask the person to call and confirm that they made it home safely. Remember, JR also said that SHE made the calls from his place so he knows she is capable of using a phone.
He did not ask her to call, because this story of her leaving this way was a lie. He came up with all of this "caring" to increase the believability that she indeed was capable of leaving to get himself off the hook. Only, he did not think his story through far enough. If he did tell LE that he asked her to call. Then he would have to answer why he did nothing when she didn't call. He did nothing, because he didn't ask her to call, because she didn't leave that way. Now if he was more laissez-faire about letting her come and go as she pleased, he wouldn't have bothered with a "walk test", watching her from the balcony, etc... You see, he claims to be paying attention, to caring, to being a good friend. But there is NO request for her to call him, and NO follow up on that. That breaks his story.

2) Along with the 2 calls at 4:15 JR attributes to LS, why would LS not call HT to let her know that she was coming back in a few minutes and would need to get into the apartment? This also would be normal behavior so one is not standing in a hallway banging on a door at 4:30, or having to disturb someone else for entry. But this call didn't happen either.

3) LS never thinks of calling JW. This is also a bit strange. It's my understanding that she had tentative plans to meet up with JW later that night. It's not clear what attempts were made by him to call her, but he did claim to fall asleep. At the same time, if she knew that she has been without her phone for an extended period of time, and she has a pattern of texting or calling him at night, before bed, or even calling him to come over one might expect a call to JW to say she lost her phone, was headed back home, etc... But she makes no call to JW.

4) In fact, of all the people LS should be calling (#1 her own phone, #2 HT or someone at SW that could let her into her apt., #3 JW, etc...) She is instead calling people that who do not make sense. She calls Mr. POI, and DR??
This points to her NOT making those Calls. And if she didn't make the calls, WHY were these calls made?

5) This next missing call is also not so terribly strange. If she were as alert and able to walk as JR says, and was able to dial a phone, she also would be quite aware that she was injured and it would be hurting. Had she gone to the bathroom (how could a girl not go to the bathroom?) and looked into the mirror and felt the pain of the injuries, she may have felt like she should call someone and let them know she was hurt.
Who would be on this list of people to call? I don't see how DR would be on that list. Her sister would more likely be on that list than DR.

I also found it odd that JR did not call HT (both when LS supposedly made the 2 other calls before LS left and after LS had left and he had not heard from her to know she made it back okay) or ask LS to text/call from HT's phone.

I also agree that it is inconsistent that he was so "caring" to perform a "walking test" (which I found extremely odd) but did not think to call HT at any point. I think it is fair to assume that he did not contact HT at any point the following day because when JW contacted her, she hadn't bothered to check LS' room - something HT might have done had JR contacted her to see if LS made it back.

 

[sammi89]

I don't think that is known. Did the PI's fill in some blanks regarding the confrontation at Smallwood? I don't recall anything except speculation.

http://www.lohud.com/article/201206...ered-away-after-night-heavy-drinking-drug-use

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Are you OK?” one of the guys recalled asking her.

“She’s OK, I got it,” Rossman is said to have replied.

“Hey dude, you’d better take her to her room,” the guy shot back.

Rossman started cursing, and Zach Oakes, the burliest of the bunch, punched him in the chin, knocking him to the tile floor.

Rossman later would say, through his lawyer, that he was punched so hard that he lost memory of the rest of the night and the 15 minutes before he got clocked.

I mean, it's getting reported that way. I haven't heard or seen anything where CR denies this. He also claims amnesia though so....

I guess it might be more accurate that the fist-fight itself ensued when CR started cursing at ZO & Co. However, his cursing was in response to a comments about LS' welfare.


Edited to Add: I realize that the info is coming from one of the boys involved in the altercation. However, I see no reason to think it is not true. There is video surveillance from what I have understood (I highly doubt audio though, so that might detract from it). I also just haven't seen any ties to any of the other POI (rivalry, interest, etc.) that would make it seem like it was any different than it appears to be - concern for someone who seemed out of it.

 

[Ixchel13]

http://www.lohud.com/article/201206...ered-away-after-night-heavy-drinking-drug-use

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I mean, it's getting reported that way. I haven't heard or seen anything where CR denies this. He also claims amnesia though so....

I guess it might be more accurate that the fist-fight itself ensued when CR started cursing at ZO & Co. However, his cursing was in response to a comments about LS' welfare.


Edited to Add: I realize that the info is coming from one of the boys involved in the altercation. However, I see no reason to think it is not true. There is video surveillance from what I have understood (I highly doubt audio though, so that might detract from it). I also just haven't seen any ties to any of the other POI (rivalry, interest, etc.) that would make it seem like it was any different than it appears to be - concern for someone who seemed out of it.

If they really cared about Lauren, they could have kept her there by calling security, who would have warned her that if she left the building they would make sure she got a PI.