IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #29

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a distinct difference between the reaction, and tone of voice, of Lauren's friends in the video from NY and the video of HT's comments regarding Lauren's disappearance?! HT, IMO, sounds unemotional and detached. When I first heard and saw her speak, I guess I didn't notice that as much as I do re-hearing it now. No tears, no sympathy, no call to action, no protection of her, just matter of fact, slightly perturbed/bothered (IMO), past tense talk. Not the way a true friend, again IMO, would react to a missing friend and roommate. It just doesn't sit right with me.

Thanks for re-posting those videos!! It was good for me, and perhaps others, to have another listen!

I totally agree, and the other thing that really bothers me most is WHY does she even say that at all? I mean really, if you think about it, what should overdoing it out partying one night have to do with being missing? How does 'taking it to far this time' intersect with a stranger abduction that she puts out there the next second? It shouldn't have anything to do with it all. She seems to say it as a fact. It appears to me to be one of only a couple of things, 1) a cheap shot at Lauren/victim blaming 2) an unconscious reveal or 3) utterly shallow stupidity.

 

[Ros]

***RUMOR***THE FOLLOWING IS CONCERNING RUMOR FROM AN UNKNOWN SOURCE***

I recently read a post about Lauren on some sketchy site that I stumbled across on a broader search for something on her case. It was a short paragraph or two that I think some site admin posted there pretty early on after she disappeared. The posting was just basically asking anyone with any inside information to come forward. The site is sketchy and not a 'news' site, the post was pretty much what you would expect from a college kid. Nothing that outstanding about it. But, in the comments there was a post by 'anonymous' that says AB's car matches the description of a 'small sports type car' that was seen on video circling the block several times around SW around the time that she was last known to be around. I have heard about the sports car on the video, but I'd never heard that one of ZO's boys has (or had?) a car that matches the one seen on that video. Has this already been covered and I missed it, or does anyone know if there is any truth to any of this?

Haven't heard this one before. Before the "white truck" photo was released, BPD said something about looking for a specific vehicle or vehicle(s) and a driver or driver(s), which would lead one to believe that there may have been more than one vehicle and driver on the video. But the white truck photo was the only one ever released and BPD never alluded to there being any other vehicles of interest.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20070880-504083.html

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

Haven't heard this one before. Before the "white truck" photo was released, BPD said something about looking for a specific vehicle or vehicle(s) and a driver or driver(s), which would lead one to believe that there may have been more than one vehicle and driver on the video. But the white truck photo was the only one ever released and BPD never alluded to there being any other vehicles of interest.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20070880-504083.html

See posts in this thread #55, 58 and 70.

 

[Kadence]

I totally agree, and the other thing that really bothers me most is WHY does she even say that at all? I mean really, if you think about it, what should overdoing it out partying one night have to do with being missing? How does 'taking it to far this time' intersect with a stranger abduction that she puts out there the next second? It shouldn't have anything to do with it all. She seems to say it as a fact. It appears to me to be one of only a couple of things, 1) a cheap shot at Lauren/victim blaming 2) an unconscious reveal or 3) utterly shallow stupidity.

Agreed! I've listened a few more times and remember listening to HT on at least one live news interview, which further has made me question her possible involvement, in a cover up, or perhaps more? I noted that the "transcript" of her conversation left out the word "unfortunately" that she spoke with regard to Lauren going "too far this time" - the use of the word unfortunately sounds like, IMO, a term that someone would use when they KNOW that something bad has indeed occurred. If one thought something MAY have happened wouldn't one use the wording "MAYBE something bad happened, MAYBE she went too far this time."? Her wording seems, to me, to be more definitive in nature.

I know I should know this after all of this time, but I don't recall anyone mentioning whether HT met with LE or took a police-issued lie detector test. Can anyone help me out here?

Thanks again to all of you who continue in the search to bring Lauren home. In the beginning, I promised myself I would only follow on WS and not participate but as the two year mark draws near, the need to find her presses even heavier on my heart and has led me to open my big mouth.

Think inside and outside of the box, whatever it takes, let's bring her home!!

One Republic with Sara Bareilles:

"Come Home"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeuIMeSShvQ"]One Republic ft. Sara Bareilles - Come Home - YouTube[/ame]

Excerpt:

"Come home
Come home
Cause I`ve been waiting for you
For so long
For so long
And right now there's a war between the vanities
But all i see is you and me
The fight for you is all I`ve ever known
So come home"

You are not forgotten Lauren...

 

[AbbeyR]

In a short interview with a reporter a few weeks after Lauren went missing, she seemed unsure of what happened, and said she didn't know what to think about the fact that some of the POI weren't talking to her

Quoting my previous post because I just noticed that in the other interview it is mentioned that the person not speaking to her is JW. (?) How soon after Lauren went missing was this?

Watching those interviews now, the interview with HT seems really strange. Because she was basically talking for JR though, it's hard to know what comes from her vs. him. It's also hard to know if her statements came out of nowhere or if they were responses to specific questions from the reporter. For example, if she was asked about rumors about drinking or drugs, her response would still be a bad one, but it might explain the disconnect between her statements.

On the other hand, we also know now that the POI were trying to claim that Lauren "wanted to party" when she left, so the 'going too far" comment could be coming straight from them, just like the "watched her walk out the door" part of the script. If so, she could know more than she is saying, or she could be repeating pieces of the story they told her.

It's interesting to see the difference between the interviews. As Kadence notes, they are so different in tone and how they come across, and in content. In the other clips the friends express disbelief that something could have happened on a well lit busy street in Bloomington, while HT seems to be justifying the possibility of abduction -- i.e. It's only 3 blocks, but anything can happen at 4 am in the dark.

But again, she could either be covering or she could genuinely believe JR... I don't know. HT is a wild card.

I wonder if she regrets being his media rep.

 

[AbbeyR]

***RUMOR***THE FOLLOWING IS CONCERNING RUMOR FROM AN UNKNOWN SOURCE***

I recently read a post about Lauren on some sketchy site that I stumbled across on a broader search for something on her case. It was a short paragraph or two that I think some site admin posted there pretty early on after she disappeared. The posting was just basically asking anyone with any inside information to come forward. The site is sketchy and not a 'news' site, the post was pretty much what you would expect from a college kid. Nothing that outstanding about it. But, in the comments there was a post by 'anonymous' that says AB's car matches the description of a 'small sports type car' that was seen on video circling the block several times around SW around the time that she was last known to be around. I have heard about the sports car on the video, but I'd never heard that one of ZO's boys has (or had?) a car that matches the one seen on that video. Has this already been covered and I missed it, or does anyone know if there is any truth to any of this?

the exact same comment is posted on various websites -- early in the investigation AB supposedly had a white truck that matched the description too. (FTR, I don't think any of it is true but it makes me wonder who wanted people to think it was)

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

the exact same comment is posted on various websites -- early in the investigation AB supposedly had a white truck that matched the description too. (FTR, I don't think any of it is true but it makes me wonder who wanted people to think it was)

I remember that rumor about the white truck being AB's now that you mention it. I hadn't heard the other one before, but it's good to know it was posted multiple places because that tells me that regardless of truth, (I don't think it's true either) the poster was rather determined to spread that information around so it would've likely gotten back to LE some way or another and was looked into. It's just one more reason I wish LE would open up to the public more about what they have, or don't have. After this length of time it hardly seems like it could hurt. If they had something so damaging against someone it seems like they would've been able to move on it more aggressively. It's discouraging to think about what they may have that we don't know because it seems like that may in fact be very little.
I wonder, knowing there was other vehicles recorded in the area, if the fact that LE never mentioned them publicly was because they didn't need help finding them? Without that, we can't know if they have been cleared or not. There could be a major sighting that points directly one direction or another and we wouldn't even know about it. i.e. Someone specific's car being seen on video leaving 5N or SW or something like that. We don't know, and it's so frustrating to think we've been spinning our wheels for 2 years while that information may be sitting in a file not helping find her.

 

[Kadence]

I remember that rumor about the white truck being AB's now that you mention it. I hadn't heard the other one before, but it's good to know it was posted multiple places because that tells me that regardless of truth, (I don't think it's true either) the poster was rather determined to spread that information around so it would've likely gotten back to LE some way or another and was looked into. It's just one more reason I wish LE would open up to the public more about what they have, or don't have. After this length of time it hardly seems like it could hurt. If they had something so damaging against someone it seems like they would've been able to move on it more aggressively. It's discouraging to think about what they may have that we don't know because it seems like that may in fact be very little.
I wonder, knowing there was other vehicles recorded in the area, if the fact that LE never mentioned them publicly was because they didn't need help finding them? Without that, we can't know if they have been cleared or not. There could be a major sighting that points directly one direction or another and we wouldn't even know about it. i.e. Someone specific's car being seen on video leaving 5N or SW or something like that. We don't know, and it's so frustrating to think we've been spinning our wheels for 2 years while that information may be sitting in a file not helping find her.

While I realize that LE is under no obligation to disclose any information they have, I sure wish they would "leak" something! It just seems like the answer is right there yet still so far away, if that makes sense.

 

[AbbeyR]

Here's the link to the other HT video I mentioned:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnr8XuKoWCI"]Spierer's roommate clings to hope - YouTube[/ame]

ETA: I said this was a few weeks after Lauren went missing in my last post. It must have been right after -- days, not weeks.

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

Here's the link to the other HT video I mentioned:

Spierer's roommate clings to hope - YouTube

ETA: I said this was a few weeks after Lauren went missing in my last post. It must have been right after -- days, not weeks.

Yeah, in the beginning of the video it says "Day 11" at the bottom.

 

[AbbeyR]

I remember that rumor about the white truck being AB's now that you mention it. I hadn't heard the other one before, but it's good to know it was posted multiple places because that tells me that regardless of truth, (I don't think it's true either) the poster was rather determined to spread that information around so it would've likely gotten back to LE some way or another and was looked into. It's just one more reason I wish LE would open up to the public more about what they have, or don't have.

(Snipped)

Yeah, I think a lot of those ZO/AB posts came from a single person. They were posted on PT, Gatto, IDS, The Dirty, etc. If any of the info is true, I'm hoping they went to LE themselves instead of just launching an internet campaign. If it's not true, they must either have wanted to create a red herring in the case or had some personal vendetta against ZO and AB...? I can't think of why else someone would post fake information for almost two years.

It bothers me looking back to the first month after Lauren went missing, to think that the Spierers were pleading with people daily to come forward with any information, as supposed 'insiders' to the case bombarded the internet with anonymous 'tips' and alibis. Did those people give the info to LE or just chat on PT?

 

[imkeylime]

... But again, she could either be covering or she could genuinely believe JR... I don't know. HT is a wild card.

I wonder if she regrets being his media rep.

I agree HT is a wild card. While I agree her words sound staged, I try to remember how young she is and probably (hopefully) never dealt with anything like this before. So she may have talked herself into a corner that she can't get out of. Or maybe not ... maybe she lacks empathy or has more feelings for JR than LS. It could roll either way, IMO.

I feel the same about JW. He didn't always come across that great with the press (though differently than HT). But I can kind of imagine how conflicted he might be. He could be grieving, yet he could feel anger, even embarrassment, over what he perceives or thinks others perceive about LS and CR. OTOH, maybe he's guilty of something else. JMO.

 

[AbbeyR]

I agree, ImKeyLime. You could look at those interviews and imagine she is a trusting, somewhat naive girl who has never talked to the media before and is doing her best to get Lauren's story out there. Or you can imagine that she's collaborating with JR to get a particular story out to the media at Lauren's expense. Both seem believable, given the circumstances.

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

I think the most we can really get out of any of this HT stuff is that even though the media repeatedly used the phrase, 'one of Lauren's best friends' that probably was only based on the fact that they were 'suite-mates'. Most anyone that's ever lived with room mates can tell you that it wrong to automatically assume two girls are close simply because they live together and socialize in the same circles and that it's more often than not very very far from the reality of situation. My take away is that she probably didn't really even care much for Lauren for any number of reasons. Personality differences, envy, whatever, and if she knows anything then JR has talked her into believing that there was nothing he could have done and that it was really HIM that was in the wrong place at the wrong time and it would just be an even bigger tragedy to ruin more lives over something that wasn't really his fault 'i.e. because it was really Lauren's own fault for 'taking it to far this time' and that it's because of Lauren that they've all been put in this bad situation. I also think this because of the fact that she's apparently never involved herself in the follow up events. I know if it was my best friend, who I feel is the closest thing to a sister I have and feel she IS my family, that I would be right there with her family at every single event where they would have me and most all the women I know feel that same way about their best friend. We've seen none of that from her.

 

[Ros]

I have also wondered about what Lauren's friend BW might know. She made some strange remarks about wanting to be "left out of this" and made complaints about the media putting out "false names," remarks that appeared on TG's site in June 2011.

There is a financial company whose name includes BW's surname and MB's surname. According to his LinkedIn profiel MB interned for that company. I do not know whether BW is connected or not.

So, what connections are there between MB and BW? I seem to recall that BW was back home on June 3, but I don't know if that is rumor or fact now.

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

I have also wondered about what Lauren's friend BW might know. She made some strange remarks about wanting to be "left out of this" and made complaints about the media putting out "false names," remarks that appeared on TG's site in June 2011.

There is a financial company whose name includes BW's surname and MB's surname. According to his LinkedIn profiel MB interned for that company. I do not know whether BW is connected or not.

So, what connections are there between MB and BW? I seem to recall that BW was back home on June 3, but I don't know if that is rumor or fact now.

Ohhh, the nepotism.
I don't know if there is a connection to BW, but I do know that one of the owners of that company does indeed have the same name as MB's father. (DB). BW's last name isn't common though so I think a connection is highly likely.

If there is a connection to BW, when you place that next to her comments about leaving her and HT out of it, then putting that side by side with HT's 'Lauren took it too far this time' comment and well...it looks bad. Really really bad.

 

[SeeingForThe1stTime]

Ugh. BW has her involvement with events for LS on her LinkedIn resume. Is it me or is does that seem to be in incredibly bad taste?

For the record, I'd never thought of BW as involved in any way at all nor had I perceived her as covering for any of the boys. SO, to be fair, while I don't think all these connections look good and I think the resume thing is ridiculous and gross, at least BW's been involved in the events for LS while it doesn't appear that HT has bothered.

 

[sammi89]

While HT is up...

I'm still wondering why LS OR JR would call DR instead of HT to pick her up/make sure she got home/let her in/whatever they are claiming the reason was. JR & HT are good friends. They had known each other since HT's freshmen year. HT & LS were over at his apartment all the time the previous year. SO... why didn't JR call HT? I'm sure he had her number. Why make 2 calls to other people to get LS a ride, make her perform a walking test, yet not call her roommate and JR's good friend HT?

http://www.lohud.com/article/201106...ken-some-persons-interest-?odyssey=nav|head'=

Lauren Spierer's roommate shares details of night before her disappearance
Jun 12, 2011
Written by
Shawn Cohen

Hadar Tamir, Lauren Spierer's college roommate, shared new details Sunday about the morning her roommate went missing.

She said she was with her roommate for much of the previous day and remained with her until shortly after midnight the morning of June 3.

They were "just hanging out" in a friend's apartment down the hall at Smallwood Plaza around 12:30 a.m., when Spierer left.
That's shortly before Spierer went to a bar and met fellow student Corey Rossman.

Indianapolis 500. Tamir was also at the auto race, as was Rossman's roommate, Mike Beth, and Jay Rosenbaum, a mutual friend who lives elsewhere in Rossman's building.

Rosenbaum was the one who introduced them, Tamir said.

"I've been good friends with Jay since our freshman year," she said, and added "we always used to be at his apartment last year."
Tamir said she's not certain what Spierer's boyfriend, Jesse Wolff, was doing early June 3.

"From what he told me, he was watching the basketball game at his house and was then supposed to come over to hang out with Lauren," Tamir said.

But Spierer left her phone at the bar.

"She could no longer get in contact with (Wolff), so he never came out," Tamir said. "He ended up just sleeping at his house."

 

[sammi89]

Maybe meaningful, maybe not, but what exactly was HT up to that night?

Notice that HT was at the indy 500, so BOTH HT & LS were there.
Jr introduced BOTH HT & LS to MB & CR (at the indy 500).
HT says, "WE used to always be at his (JR) apartment last year." (although also: she says SHE (HT) was good friends with JR - NOT WE (she and LS) were good friends with JR)

Finally, note that HT was with LS up until LS heads out for the night. It just seems odd to me that HT was not present at JR's at any point when it seems like she would normally be. Why? Was something going on at HT/LS apartment? Did HT have a reason to not want to be at JR's?

Again though, why didn't JR call HT?

http://www.lohud.com/article/201106...ken-some-persons-interest-?odyssey=nav|head'=

Lauren Spierer's roommate shares details of night before her disappearance
Jun 12, 2011
Written by
Shawn Cohen

Hadar Tamir, Lauren Spierer's college roommate, shared new details Sunday about the morning her roommate went missing.

She said she was with her roommate for much of the previous day and remained with her until shortly after midnight the morning of June 3.

They were "just hanging out" in a friend's apartment down the hall at Smallwood Plaza around 12:30 a.m., when Spierer left.
That's shortly before Spierer went to a bar and met fellow student Corey Rossman.

Indianapolis 500. Tamir was also at the auto race, as was Rossman's roommate, Mike Beth, and Jay Rosenbaum, a mutual friend who lives elsewhere in Rossman's building.

Rosenbaum was the one who introduced them, Tamir said.

"I've been good friends with Jay since our freshman year," she said, and added "we always used to be at his apartment last year."
Tamir said she's not certain what Spierer's boyfriend, Jesse Wolff, was doing early June 3.

"From what he told me, he was watching the basketball game at his house and was then supposed to come over to hang out with Lauren," Tamir said.

But Spierer left her phone at the bar.

"She could no longer get in contact with (Wolff), so he never came out," Tamir said. "He ended up just sleeping at his house."

 

[Ros]

While HT is up...

I'm still wondering why LS OR JR would call DR instead of HT to pick her up/make sure she got home/let her in/whatever they are claiming the reason was. JR & HT are good friends. They had known each other since HT's freshmen year. HT & LS were over at his apartment all the time the previous year. SO... why didn't JR call HT? I'm sure he had her number. Why make 2 calls to other people to get LS a ride, make her perform a walking test, yet not call her roommate and JR's good friend HT?

And why make two calls, observe her walking, etc. but not take the time and energy to walk six blocks (round trip) to see her home?