IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #3

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  • #181
It seems like she could have been "intimately" involved with any number of these guys....obviously, the boyfriend....but what about CR or JR? Good grief, these initials are testing my late night nerves....

There is more than one definition of intimacy.
Close friends in a drug culture are also "intimate" it's a special kind of relationship that is rather private to the external world for obvious reasons.

Yet I agree with an earlier post, he could be trying to steer this toward JW and off of his client. That is his job. He would get more traction with that, than trying to ID drug dealers who might have done business with his client.
 
  • #182
There is more than one definition of intimacy.
Close friends in a drug culture are also "intimate" it's a special kind of relationship that is rather private to the external world for obvious reasons.

Yet I agree with an earlier post, he could be trying to steer this toward JW and off of his client. That is his job. He would get more traction with that, than trying to ID drug dealers who might have done business with his client.

Oh yes, I am very knowledgeable about the drug culture...my beautiful, brilliant son became engrossed in it...and not with low life felons. He ran with the cool kids....the doctor's son, with the sports car, and LEO son, with the weed t-shirt. He hung with the beautiful girls that were straight off the homecoming court. Sadly all of them experimented with all kinds of drugs and alcohol, even though they were underage.

Drugs took everything from my son....his best looks, his bright mind, his musical talent, his quick wit and sharp attention to detail....it took his full scholarship to college, and his relationships with some caring friends....and his relationship with his loving family. Drugs bring you down.....and you can't get up. The cost is immeasurable and devastating.

I know more about them than I ever wanted to know....and it makes me sick. I loathe them....and you can quote me on that.

And btw, alcohol is a drug....just like the rest.....and I hate it too.

Any questions on how I really feel?
 
  • #183
Oh yes, I am very knowledgeable about the drug culture...my beautiful, brilliant son became engrossed in it...and not with low life felons. He ran with the cool kids....the doctor's son, with the sports car, and LEO son, with the weed t-shirt. He hung with the beautiful girls that were straight off the homecoming court. Sadly all of them experimented with all kinds of drugs and alcohol, even though they were underage.

Drugs took everything from my son....his best looks, his bright mind, his musical talent, his quick wit and sharp attention to detail....it took his full scholarship to college, and his relationships with some caring friends....and his relationship with his loving family. Drugs bring you down.....and you can't get up. The cost is immeasurable and devastating.

I know more about them than I ever wanted to know....and it makes me sick. I loathe them....and you can quote me on that.

And btw, alcohol is a drug....just like the rest.....and I hate it too.

Any questions on how I really feel?

I look forward to your posts on this thread and others; your photo is beautiful and very easy to spot. A personal thank you for sharing! Please remember life is in front of you so keep moving forward!!
 
  • #184
Oh yes, I am very knowledgeable about the drug culture...my beautiful, brilliant son became engrossed in it...and not with low life felons. He ran with the cool kids....the doctor's son, with the sports car, and LEO son, with the weed t-shirt. He hung with the beautiful girls that were straight off the homecoming court. Sadly all of them experimented with all kinds of drugs and alcohol, even though they were underage.

Drugs took everything from my son....his best looks, his bright mind, his musical talent, his quick wit and sharp attention to detail....it took his full scholarship to college, and his relationships with some caring friends....and his relationship with his loving family. Drugs bring you down.....and you can't get up. The cost is immeasurable and devastating.

I know more about them than I ever wanted to know....and it makes me sick. I loathe them....and you can quote me on that.

And btw, alcohol is a drug....just like the rest.....and I hate it too.

Any questions on how I really feel?
Yes, shefner, I know from whence you speak, as I have lost three under similar circumstances. Not a child, but two siblings and a lifelong friend. Drugs destroy the human spirit and the will to live.
 
  • #185
I look forward to your posts on this thread and others; your photo is beautiful and very easy to spot. A personal thank you for sharing! Please remember life is in front of you so keep moving forward!!

Thanks, Kiln....
 
  • #186
Yes, shefner, I know from whence you speak, as I have lost three under similar circumstances. Not a child, but two siblings and a lifelong friend. Drugs destroy the human spirit and the will to live.

Bessie....blessings be on you....
 
  • #187
Not that I disagree with you, but can you explain why you think this means drugs? Is that particular expression one that it known to be related to drug use? Maybe so. Maybe she was just wanting to drink more? Maybe she went to JR's room, scored some whatever and OD'd. Who the heck knows.

Partying is a euphemism my friends and I will often use to distinguish between just drinking and more extreme substances, Mrsu. That's why it immediately jumped out at me when the roommate of the friend Lauren walked home used that term. And thanks Bloomington for the info about coke on campus and Mrsu about the reports of there being other drug issues on campus. All college campuses have drug issues to some extent. I went to Yale and, even though Yale isn't considered a party school by any means, some students on all college campuses do drugs. It's just a fact of life in the 21st century.

And I'm not sure if it was Bloomington or someone else who said that Lauren showed a lot of activity for someone who was drunk that night. Alcohol does tend to be a depressant while coke and a lot of other drugs are stimulants. (And I'm not saying Lauren must have been on drugs -- just speculating to try and figure out what happened to Lauren.)

And VeryVeritas (which reminds me of Harvard, speaking of colleges :D) that's what I'm getting at in talking about Lauren's motivations that night. In reading more of the details about that night, she showed a lot of activity that's potentially increasingly motivated in one direction: she started out with her friends at home, I think, but then went to the bar, back to her apartment, maybe just to get another pair of shoes which she abandoned after the fight, walked her friend home and then went to a second friend's apartment afterward, after mentioning partying.

I think it would be pretty natural to call it a night after walking the friend home at that hour given that she had no shoes, it had been an eventful night and it's not like the second friend was having a general kegger party. But the thought of partying brought her to the second friend's apartment which makes the whole night seem less like she was looking to cheat or hook up and potentially looking for something else. And, if I was going to pick a POI out of the friends/boyfriend, that second friend who was the last to see her stands out because the trail ends with him and partying made her think of him.

I do think the whole romantic triangle thing is compelling but, after hearing some more details, I'm just not sure that's where Lauren's head was. And her boyfriend, knowing her well, may have known that her motivation may have been less likely to be cheating on him but possibly experimenting in other ways. He may have been protective in that sense and that's why she wasn't partying with him that night.

Just throwing things out there that are possible but may become less likely as more information emerges… I just hope the police are investigating every avenue and also that Lauren's friends don't hide information that could help find her because of the drug taboo. There are things far, far, far worse than drugs and it appears that something far worse may have happened to Lauren. :cry:
 
  • #188
For me it's VERY strange that he asked for the keys to Lauren's apartment. I mean, my boyfriend would probably just knock and scream my name.

Asking for the key already implies that Lauren won't be there to open the door... hmmm, hinky.


Hello! First post here......:seeya:

Maybe JW was worried that she was unable to get up and answer the door due to her heart condition. I'm sure the thought occurred to him that Lauren was possibly unconscious.
 
  • #189
Hi there, Ella Mae. Welcome to Websleuths. I'm glad you've joined the discussion.
 
  • #190
There is a certain assumption amongst lawyers that clients should be advised "if you have absolutely nothing to hide, tell the whole truth and nothing but, but if you have anything at all to hide; say nothing". The lawyers for MB and CR are taking the tack that "they will tell all they know because their clients were either asleep or working on their 92 papers when LS left their apt". We have no way of telling if they are telling the truth, but I think their approach is certainly consistent with "tell the whole truth and nothing but". The lawyers for JR and JW are taking the "say nothing" tack.

The big mystery is LS's whereabouts after she left CR/MB's apt. The identity of the "mystery man in the alley" might answer part of this. The other big mystery is "what is JW's story". If he just decided to crash early and let LS "go out and have a good time without him" it's kind of late in the game to say so.

I can't find anywhere that Saltzman (CR's attorney) said that most murders occur among acquaintances but if he did, it sure sounds like he believes one of the others will soon be charged. (His client would be equally well served if suspicion were to fall on a "stranger"). LS's mother's remark "shame on you" makes little sense if she believed some anonymous predator prowling the streets of Btown in the Wee hours abducted he daughter.
 
  • #191
Oh yes, I am very knowledgeable about the drug culture...my beautiful, brilliant son became engrossed in it...and not with low life felons. He ran with the cool kids....the doctor's son, with the sports car, and LEO son, with the weed t-shirt. He hung with the beautiful girls that were straight off the homecoming court. Sadly all of them experimented with all kinds of drugs and alcohol, even though they were underage.

Drugs took everything from my son....his best looks, his bright mind, his musical talent, his quick wit and sharp attention to detail....it took his full scholarship to college, and his relationships with some caring friends....and his relationship with his loving family. Drugs bring you down.....and you can't get up. The cost is immeasurable and devastating.

I know more about them than I ever wanted to know....and it makes me sick. I loathe them....and you can quote me on that.

And btw, alcohol is a drug....just like the rest.....and I hate it too.

Any questions on how I really feel?

Shefner, I appreciate your ability to state so well the detrimental effects of drug and alcohol abuse on the lives of persons who find themselves addicted, and on the lives of those who love them. I am sorry for the devastation it has created in your son's life and I pray he will recover.

I value my intelligence. I am often frustrated to find myself struggling for a word, or having to correct my spelling when I know better. I work hard to teach my brain to function without alcohol, though I quit drinking for good almost eight years ago and have lived an extremely healthy lifestyle ever since!

I am very grateful to share your disgust. The thought of drinking again turns my stomach and I am blessed that it does!

The multiple visits at that hour of the morning to other apartments does seem to indicate they were looking for something, or someone who had it.
If drugs and the lies that go along with using are involved in this case, it will be much harder to get to the truth.
 
  • #192
:fence:

I know you stipulated and said allegedly, but just for the record, I don't think it was said Lauren was having "inappropriate" contact with CR.

Friends of JW said CR was paying "inappropriate" attention to Lauren.

The difference being it did not necessarily sound like the attention from CR was reciprocated by Lauren.

Perspective….. 2 people can see the same event and have two completely different interpretations.
 
  • #193
When I was in Bloomington for school, I knew many students who did cocaine. I didn't think of it really until someone said the victim wanted to "party". Not to say she was into that sort of thing, but many students are. I wonder if she didn't find someone else to party with. And with a heart condition... But, maybe she was smart enough not to?
 
  • #194
Another drug hater here. I am 24 years old and never TOUCHED drugs or alcohol. Hate it. Cocaine and alcohol basically destroyed my mom's life... it definetly tore her marriage apart and keeps her daughter on a safe distance from her.

I wish these kids knew that alcohol and drugs are NOT cool. They destroy lives. They literally do.

I'm praying today is a day that Lauren will be found!!!
 
  • #195
But he probably provided drinks to Lauren, a minor.

I know it's picky, but "minor" and "of legal drinking age", in my mind bring up two very different images. Minor in my mind is someone under the age of 18, which LS was not. However, she was under the legal drinking age. As I said, just a sticking point with myself. I'll go back to my corner..... :ufo:
 
  • #196
The video in the alley is of LS going toward CR's apartment building. It's not going to solve any mystery of what she was doing once she left that building.
Police have already said that they don't have any videos showing her leaving that building. And while police won't even confirm if there is a man with LS on that video, we know she took off for CR's apartment building with CR, and she arrived there with CR. So who else could it be if not CR?
By the way, based on mom's "shame on you" statement it does appear that mom thinks whoever is involved knew LS. Seems rather strange mom would be saying "shame on you" if she believed it was a stranger. Of course police might not be sharing much with mom either, so she could have arrived to her own conclusions.
 
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Also, a similar story from MSNBC words it slightly differently:

"The new video puts her in an alley just north of her apartment building about 45 minutes later. However, she is last seen on surveillance around 4:30am three blocks from her building."

In addition, I doubt these are related to the case, but this IS something:

"Police have asked the volunteers to start looking down, go through the grass and the dirt . So far, searchers have turned up a woman's bra and part of a cell phone. Police have taken both."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43375694/ns/local_news-indianapolis_in/
 
  • #199
Also, a similar story from MSNBC words it slightly differently:



In addition, I doubt these are related to the case, but this IS something:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43375694/ns/local_news-indianapolis_in/

There is no video of her at 4:30 am. Police have stated the time she is on video is at 3:15-3:30 am, not 4:30 am. There is supposedly a statement from JR that he saw her leaving at 4:30 am. There has been a lot of inaccurate reporting in the case, the msnbc article appears to be one of those instances, unless they mean JR's statement as "surveillance."
 
  • #200
I just came here to post this!!

The video could contain a key to unlock the mystery of what and where Lauren Spierer was doing in the hours before she disappeared. As we know it right now, at 2:30am June 3rd she and a friend left Kilroy's Bar and walked about a block and half to Smallwood Apartment where she lives.

The new video puts her in an alley just north of her apartment building about 45 minutes later. However, she is last seen on surveillance around 4:30am three blocks from her building.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43375694/ns/local_news-indianapolis_in/

I don't think it's a typo because both of these articles were updated today.

Wow, this IS breaking news.
 
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