IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #3

[mrsu]

http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-surv...spierer-last-spotted-20110612,0,7227876.story

Friends and a roommate of Lauren Spierer have told Fox59 News that she intended to stay home the night of June 2nd. Other neighbors have told Fox59 News that shortly after midnight on the morning of June 3rd she was looking for someone to accompany her to the bar. Investigators believe Rossman joined Spierer in visiting Kilroy's Sports Bar where she left behind her shoes and cell phone. Her boyfriend, Wolff, is reported to have spent the evening watching basketball and unsuccessfully attempting to reach Spierer.

Hmmm...I wish we would know if this is accurate reporting.

 

[ncbuckeyecb]

Not sure how old the average person is on this thread but just wanted to make some remarks on everything being said. I'm a 21 year old college student at a large university that has a known drinking atmosphere.

I binge drink on the weekends. It is a common occurrence in current college culture. So is underage drinking. I honestly only have one or two friends that don't go out and get drunk on the weekends. I'm not saying this is smart/cool/acceptable to go out and get blackout drunk, I just think it's so common that CR and LS shouldn't be chastised for getting too drunk. Yes, they should have known their limits and not let it go too far but they are young and these things happen.

Also, just because a person drinks and goes to parties/bars a lot doesn't mean they do drugs. It has been suggested a lot but aside from pot, no one I am ever around and runs in my circle of friends and acquaintances does hardcore drugs or pills.

I find it very strange that college kids would hide something pertaining to a situation this important and severe just because of underage drinking or providing alcohol to a minor. At least I don't see someone holding out for this long.

I too am in a 2 year relationship with my college bf and he would definitely pick the Mavs/heat game over me for a few hours and meet up with me later. Also, I've been in relationships where although my bf wanted to be with me, I didn't Sam to be in the relationship anymore. We would argue and it was hard to break up with him so one night I went out drinking and went home with a different guy. I figured if I cheated on my bf he would finally want to break up with me. In hindsight this was really immature and mean but nonetheless I did it. And it makes me wonder if Lauren had the same thought process that night.

Sorry for the long post, I've been reading pages and pages and just wanted to post once to share my thoughts. Also I'm writing on my phone so hopefully there arent too many errors!!

 

[mrsu]

The truth is, the heat is in Corey and Mike because that's the only thing that's out in the media. We know what Corey and Mike were up to.

What about the other POI's? We need more information about Jesse's friends... Did they contact Jesse after the fight?

It's SO easy to clear Jesse. Did the camera of his apartment/frat see him leving his house? Yes or no? That's the only thing we need to know. Did he leave his apartment that night/morning? It is SO easy to verify that. Does Jesse appear on any camera that night?

And if his building doesn't have a camera?

 

[curiousgirl2010]

And if his building doesn't have a camera?

There are several cameras on the streets. I assume a camera eventually caught him? Again, maybe not.

 

[Janeumayer]

I find this quote interesting:

"Two men who may know something about Spierer’s disappearance have evaded police and have yet to submit to interviews. One of the men left Bloomington for Indianapolis shortly after Lauren Spierer west missing on June 3."
http://tonygatto.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/all-ten-persons-of-interest-not-yet-interviewed-in-lauren-spierer-case-some-leave-town/

Which then leads me to this one:

"According to Tamir, Spierer met him (Corey Rossman) two weeks earlier at the Indianapolis 500. Tamir was also at the auto race, as was Rossman's roommate, Mike Beth, and Jay Rosenbaum, a mutual friend who lives elsewhere in Rossman's building."
http://www.lohud.com/article/20110612/NEWS02/106120429/Lauren-Spierer-s-roommate-shares-details-night-before-her-disappearance?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

Knowing that both Rossman and Beth have been very cooperative with LE, I wonder if The Indianapolis POI may be Rosenbaum?

ETA: Also found this:

"Rosenbaum is represented by noted Indianapolis defense attorney James Voyles."
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-surveillance-video-fixes-time-when-lauren-spierer-last-spotted-20110612,0,7227876.story

 

[mrsu]

I think that it is making a big leap using the fact that JW didnt go out with his gf one night as anything more than what it is. It doesnt mean he is innocent, but I dont think all couples spend every second together, and kids tend to go out a lot in college. It's very likely that this wasnt the first time they werent out together.

But according to his FB post, if it is true, he was with her almost every "waking moment" and she was his "whole world". If that's the case, if she was searching for someone to go out with her why wouldn't it be him?

 

[jjenny]

But according to his FB post, if it is true, he was with her almost every "waking moment" and she was his "whole world". If that's the case, if she was searching for someone to go out with her why wouldn't it be him?

Could be he didn't want to go out that night for whatever reason. Could be she didn't want to go out with him, and wanted to go out with CR instead.

 

[cluciano63]

But according to his FB post, if it is true, he was with her almost every "waking moment" and she was his "whole world". If that's the case, if she was searching for someone to go out with her why wouldn't it be him?

Maybe he wasn't her "whole world."

 

[ncbuckeyecb]

Is there a reason why Lauren's Boyfriend did not go with her to the bar?

Did she want him to go?

If I was a guy and my GF wanted to go to a bar, I would go with her so I could watch out for her to make sure nothing happened to her while she was there.

I find it odd that her BF did not go with her....... You would think he would.

Maybe he was just too tired or something.

Just saying, my bf is at a bar and I'm at home sleuthing lol. I don't feel like going out and I trust him not to do anything wrong! Maybe jw just didn't think shed meet up with another guy like she apparently did.

 

[The Smurf]

It just doesnt seem odd to me that a guy would choose watching an NBA game for a couple of hours. If she lost her phone, he probably wasnt gonna find her. If she had originally intended to stay in he might have just assumed that she fell asleep or something. Untill more information is released or she is found it will be hard to do anything more than make guesses and assumptions.

 

[mrsu]

Maybe he wasn't her "whole world."

Agreed. Which would mean all was not as rosy in paradise as it was made to seem.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Did not originally LE state that the last time Lauren was seen it was nothing more than her and CR walking thru the view of the camera.. I could've sworn this was almost emphasized as if it was nothing more than them appearing in a frame and gone in the next.. At the time it made me wonder if instead of running video it was possible still shots every few seconds that are recorded.. I know this is done in a lot of surveillance cams..

Then I cOuld have sworn that we were told that the last video was of Lauren seen alone at some time a little after 3 am and that it was mentioned that she possibly going between CR and JR's apts but that she was alone..

And then what we've been told most recently is that after 3am the last video that LE has of Lauren she is seen with a friend(but not naming That it is CR that is the friend) and also now alluding to there being "activity" of some sort that is taking place with Lauren and the friend.. Which could mean anything..

Have not all 3 of these three versions been told in this past week? And why the changes?

 

[jjenny]

Agreed. Which would mean all was not as rosy in paradise as it was made to seem.

Based on her friend's quotes, it seems he was the one devoted to her. I mean, did any of them say how devoted she was to him?

 

[jjenny]

Did not originally LE state that the last time Lauren was seen it was nothing more than her and CR walking thru the view of the camera.. I could've sworn this was almost emphasized as if it was nothing more than them appearing in a frame and gone in the next.. At the time it made me wonder if instead of running video it was possible still shots every few seconds that are recorded.. I know this is done in a lot of surveillance cams..

Then I cOuld have sworn that we were told that the last video was of Lauren seen alone at some time a little after 3 am and that it was mentioned that she possibly going between CR and JR's apts but that she was alone..

And then what we've been told most recently is that after 3am the last video that LE has of Lauren she is seen with a friend(but not naming That it is CR that is the friend) and also now alluding to there being "activity" of some sort that is taking place with Lauren and the friend.. Which could mean anything..

Have not all 3 of these three versions been told in this past week? And why the changes?

I don't recall anything about LE claiming the video was of LS alone, or that the video was very short.

 

[TonyGatto]

I think the Captain said at Friday's news conference that the last time Lauren was caught on tape was WITH Corey at around 3-3:30am walking back to Corey's apt after the fight.

Maybe the activity is someone watching them? Them fighting? Making-out? Who the heck knows. Maybe a car? Who knows!!

Today, when asked if anyone else other than Lauren was depicted on the tape -- he would not comment.

 

[Faulkner]

Lauren is from Westchester County, NY and I saw some articles regarding her disappearance in the NYC papers. I've looked over most of the posts here and in doing that -- and in reading the additional articles people have linked to -- I've learned quite a bit more. (Many thanks to everyone who posts those links and all the great people who comment here.)

And it seems like while there are many details that are still unclear surrounding her disappearance, the thing that really jumped out at me was what the roommate of the guy Lauren was with most of the night said regarding Lauren asking them if they wanted to 'party'. That tends to indicate drugs and, to me, that's a potential explanation for a lot of Lauren's very erratic behavior that night in addition to opening up another potentially huge area of risk for her.

I saw there are some locals and people who went to IU posting here and I'm just wondering what anyone knows about drug activity around those apartments in the late night and early morning hours. Drug dealers would operate away from any security cameras and would have prior knowledge about where cameras are to avoid them. Contrastingly, I just don't see how any of these other college students would know that well enough, in advance, so that if there was some sort of crime of passion they'd potentially know how to kill someone and dispose of a body apparently undetected.

Of course, there may be details that we don't know about but I think if those details led to one or two of those guys over the others it may have leaked out by now. The rest of this story is very soap opera-ish with Lauren's boyfriend and all these other guys but, if what was said about her wanting to party is true, I think that was her motive rather than hooking up/cheating/having a bad relationship and trying to avoid her bf that night because of it.

And, going along with this potential scenario, if the second guy's apartment she went to didn't have drugs either, what I'm concerned about is that she went into a camera-less alley in search of dealer who saw a perfect crime of opportunity. If anything more concrete comes out that points toward her bf or one of the other guys I'll factor that in, but right now I think Lauren may have been looking to party with drugs that night and may have just kept looking until that specific motivation may have led her into some real trouble. My heart just aches for her.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

To be honest, Lauren and Jesse's relationship seemed pretty normal.

We haven't heard any accounts of him being overly possesive like we SOON hear in A LOT of cases where the SO is the perp.

He looks like a nice guy. His family and friends seem to like him.

It will be a BIG surprise to everyone if he is, indeed, involved.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Like someone else posted, I'm not so sure drugs are involved. Just because these kids drinks a lot, does NOT mean drugs and dealers are involved.

Just like someone else mentioned, my group of friends drunk a lot in college, but NO drugs were ever involved. Maybe the occasional weed. But that's it.

I'm not sure this group did drugs. If I had to guess, Lauren only drank. I don't think she was involved with drugs. It's just my assumption based on what I've seen about her and her friends.

 

[jjenny]

Today, when asked if anyone else other than Lauren was depicted on the tape -- he would not comment.

Who else could she have been with but CR? We know MB claims LS and CR arrived together at CR's apartment. After which she presumably departed into JR's apartment, which she presumably left at 4:30 am or so. The timing of the video slightly after 3 am indicates she would have been going toward CR's apartment, taking the poor punched in the head CR home.

 

[mrsu]

Based on her friend's quotes, it seems he was the one devoted to her. I mean, did any of them say how devoted she was to him?

Right, which makes me wonder if/when he found out all this info, how upset/worried/angry was he?

If I recall, it was said there was a second altercation at CR's apt that morning. I'm wondering if upon finding out, possibly from LS's friends, if JW went straight over to CR's apt. and had some words with him?? This would of course mean that JW was less likely to have anything to do with the disappearance.

Most definitely waiting to hear more from JR.

I really feel like CR and MB are being truthful. They said she went to JR's. JR does say he saw her leaving. My only thought about this would be, if he was involved and the only one to have last seen her, why wouldn't he just say, "yeah, they said she came to my place, but she never did, I never saw her." By his OWN statements he puts himself as the last one to see her. Would someone involved really do that? If JR had a roommate and had seen her as well, surely he would be able to say, yep, JR watched her to the corner, then came back up to the room just a few minutes later, and that's that.