IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #34

[Ixchel13]

Having previously heard the rumor that Lauren's body ending up in a river, combined with the report of the police searching Indian Creek, combined with my suspicion that some of those involved are from Indy, has all previously made me suspect that Lauren may have been put somewhere in the White River or Indian Creek, which one would naturally pass, driving from Bloomington to Indy.

More recently, though, I heard a rumor, that's supposedly going around at Smallwood, that Lauren's body was disposed of in the Ohio River in Evansville. That seems like quite a drive from Bloomington. All I know about Evansville is I remember there being a gambling boat there. Was there talk on this thread about a phone ping in Martinsville? Does anyone know of any Evansville connections to persons of interest?

BBM not that far from Bloomington, Vidocq. Closer than MI. possible. anything's possible at this point. Thanks for your diligence, and don't stop any time soon!

 

[Skigirl]

https://www.courtlistener.com/audio/11346/robert-spierer-v-corey-rossman/

Haven't listened yet

I thought the Spierer's attorney's start was a little shaky but she did a very nice job in her argument.

 

[Vidocq]

If I'm reading this data correctly

http://waterdata.usgs.gov/in/nwis/current/?type=flow

then the Ohio River, around Evansville, would be the best place to dispose of a body, based on depth of water.

 

[imkeylime]

Having previously heard the rumor that Lauren's body ending up in a river, combined with the report of the police searching Indian Creek, combined with my suspicion that some of those involved are from Indy, has all previously made me suspect that Lauren may have been put somewhere in the White River or Indian Creek, which one would naturally pass, driving from Bloomington to Indy.

More recently, though, I heard a rumor, that's supposedly going around at Smallwood, that Lauren's body was disposed of in the Ohio River in Evansville. That seems like quite a drive from Bloomington. All I know about Evansville is I remember there being a gambling boat there. Was there talk on this thread about a phone ping in Martinsville? Does anyone know of any Evansville connections to persons of interest?

It seems to me that your last question is really relevant: does a POI have connections or knowledge of the Evansville area? It looks like it would be just over a 2 hour drive, per mapquest (which interestingly started out on College Dr.):

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Evansville&1s=IN&2c=Bloomington&2s=IN#b1052eb01d1d7e05f4624bf0

There's been a lot of talk here over the years about bodies of water, forested areas, and construction zones. Going south toward Evansville isn't something we've discussed, I don't think. It seems like someone with local ties or at least familiar with IN would be more likely to do so. I'm thinking that an out of towner wouldn't KNOW that the river there would be deep … or even how to get to it unless they'd been in that area before. Not sure what direction this thought leads … but thanks for bringing up a new potential lead.

 

[Ros]

Even if the out of town people don't know the exact depth of the Ohio, they would still be likely to know that it is deep enough to be navigable and it has a significant current.


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[imkeylime]

Even if the out of town people don't know the exact depth of the Ohio, they would still be likely to know that it is deep enough to be navigable and it has a significant current.

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That's a good point. And if they had the presence of mind to think it out, it might be the opposite direction of what would be expected, perhaps. ???

 

[Ros]

The Ohio at Evansville is not very secluded. Patoka Lake in Hoosier National Forest would be closer and more secluded.


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[Ros]

And if they took highway 57 south towards Evansville, there are several places the route would cross or come close to the White River, which, though not as deep as the Ohio, does have a current.


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[pappa rob]

And if they took highway 57 south towards Evansville, there are several places the route would cross or come close to the White River, which, though not as deep as the Ohio, does have a current.


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I really doubt that she's in the White River, two years ago we had a drought. Most of the river was running at about two feet deep. It looked more like a creek than a river, you couldn't even run a canoe through a lot of it.

 

[Ixchel13]

it is amazing, and terrible, to read about all of the women going missing SINCE Lauren! Somehow, we as a society need to fix this. We need to seek out whom disposed of Lauren. and every woman after her ad infinitum. Women, start harassing everyone you can.
If we are the "weaker" sex, we cannot always lift as much, reach as high, etc. But then, it may follow, our brains work harder. We have our place in the balance of all things and we need to put a stop to our victimization!
But where to begin?...sigh.
Unstack the deck. maybe.

 

[Ros]

Men disappear too. Anyone's disappearance is unacceptable in a just society. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/09/23/missing-persons-children-numbers/16110709/


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[Ven]

After all this time has anyone finally taken a closer look at the boyfriend/ex-boyfriend and his father?

 

[Ven]

They all left, and they all got defensive and angry. Within DAYS of Lauren disappearing, Corey Rossman and Mike Beth were yelling at the media that Lauren's case was ruining THEIR lives.

Believe it or not this makes them seem less guilty to me. Those statements come of as genuine -- genuine self-absorbed spoiled brats acting completely in character.

Guilty people do things ... out of character ... when the spotlight is on them. Who acted out-of-character in the days and weeks after LS disappeared?

 

[Skigirl]

After all this time has anyone finally taken a closer look at the boyfriend/ex-boyfriend and his father?

I wondered about that, too (not his father, but the boyfriend). She was out with another guy. He tried to call her and didn't get an answer. She had been seen with another guy in her apartment building. Jealousy is a powerful emotion.

 

[Ven]

I wondered about that, too (not his father, but the boyfriend). She was out with another guy. He tried to call her and didn't get an answer. She had been seen with another guy in her apartment building. Jealousy is a powerful emotion.

I only come in here once in a great while, and it's impossible to have read or remember tens of thousands of posts, but if I recall correctly, there were some bizarre texts or similar kinds of exchanges between JW and his father the night Lauren disappeared and immediately thereafter. Then (I believe) the father came out to Indiana and whisked his son away asap.

I've been saying the same thing since June 2011. The boyfriend has miraculously avoided nearly any scrutiny, despite being a POI. The main thing to focus on is that from Day 1 it was portrayed that Lauren and JW were in a seemingly happy long-term relationship, but the events of that night point towards the exact opposite. There are some major inconsistencies that have never been addressed, and to me those inconsistencies scream all kinds of red flags.

The victim's family has tried to devote any and all attention towards the persons at 5N. For all I know, maybe those kids are guilty. It's certainly possible. But then again, maybe they are not. It strikes me as very bizarre that people continue to beat on the same doors over and over again for 4 years without really taking a hard look at the statistically most likely perpetrator.

 

[Ven]

I'd also like to remind people of the comments made by JW's mother a couple of years ago. People of good character do not even think let alone express the kinds of vicious and slanderous remarks she made, unless in the heat of the moment (followed by quick contrition and regret), which wasn't the case. I very much suspect that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark in that household, and it's complete nonsense for someone to claim they passed a "privately administered" lie-detector test in lieu of taking a public one administered by investigators.

 

[Ven]

One last post, here is the article I was talking about re: the texts between JW and his father.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/02/missing-student-boyfriend-family-fume/2382909/

Alan Wolff said his son, Jesse, was texting him from his house the previous night as a Knicks basketball playoff game was under way on television.

Which is interesting, because there was no Knicks playoff game on that night. The Knicks season ended on April 24, 2011.

AW continued to offer that he flew to Indiana immediately and confronted CR, perhaps even before CR was named a POI. It turns out that of all the people at 5N, CR is one of the least likely to have been involved in Lauren's disappearance, and the entire episode screamed of jealous boyfriend syndrome, instigated by JW. The inconsistencies begin, however, when everyone from JW to LS's own family seemed to insinuate that JW and LS were just some normal happy couple. On the contrary, it couldn't be more obvious that she was in the company of another man that evening, someone that a large group of people knew she had been flirting with for more than a week.

 

[akh]

Ven,
I'm just chiming in to say I agree with you that JW doesn't get the scrutiny he deserves IMHO. I've always seen him just as likely as 5N. Especially after nothing seemingly panned out with LE scrutinizing 5N and having that as a 'ground zero' for where anything in the popular narrative of theories involving 5N guys had to have played out. Meanwhile, the BF is the statistically likely candidate in these type of cases. And I've always questioned how quickly he decided she was missing and police involvement was necessary.

Although DM has now inserted himself squarely into the mix as well. From the outside looking in, he cannot be cleared.

 

[AbbeyR]

Ven,
I'm just chiming in to say I agree with you that JW doesn't get the scrutiny he deserves IMHO.

This is often brought up, but no one seems to have anything to add. JW has gotten a lot of attention here, there's just not much to look at. His actions the day Lauren went missing, the texts, his parents etc. have been dissected here a million times.

 

[AbbeyR]

I'd also like to remind people of the comments made by JW's mother a couple of years ago. People of good character do not even think let alone express the kinds of vicious and slanderous remarks she made, unless in the heat of the moment (followed by quick contrition and regret), which wasn't the case. I very much suspect that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark in that household, and it's complete nonsense for someone to claim they passed a "privately administered" lie-detector test in lieu of taking a public one administered by investigators.

I completely agree. The same applies to JR, CR and MB, IMO, both in reference to their statements about Lauren and her parents reflecting their character as well as the ridiculousness of the 'private' poly.

My feeling is that the statements from JW's mom came from her being worried about/ covering up her son's involvement with drugs. What she said about Lauren applied more to him than to her.