IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #35

[IMH]

Okay, Ixchel13, I love a challenge, and while RER and DH do not appear to have served time together, I did a little more checking into the extensive criminal histories of DH and JMW. And guess what? It seems that DH and JMW were in the clink (New Castle Correctional Facility) at the same time in spring of 2012! After JMW was charged with invading privacy, harassing and intimidating his victim in Monroe county in 8/2011, the court docket entry in that case dated 3/28/12 shows he was in the New Castle DOC (with DH). These two gentlemen actually have similar criminal backgrounds:

DH has multiple illegal consumption, public intoxication, and probation violation charges going back to 1995. By 2000 he's added theft and forgery to his repertoire. By 2005 he's charged with criminal trespass, invasion of privacy, and has violated a "no contact" order. Intimidation and battery charges in 2009, battery with bodily injury in 2010, and now he's in the New Castle DOC.

JMW's history starts around 1999, when he leaves the scene of a personal injury accident. In 2000 he is charged with battery resulting in personal injury, and in 2001 he is charged with public indecency and a protective order (for victim) is granted. Several more public indecency charges in 2002-2004, and in 2003 he's charged with battery resulting in bodily injury. Interestingly, he had no new charges between 2004-2010, but a divorce action was filed in 2009 (after which his parents apparently sued him for eviction and unpaid rent), so he seems to have been married during this time. In July and August of 2011 in Monroe County we have a domestic battery, intimidation, invasion of privacy and harassment charges with protective order to victim, and the public indecency charges begin again. He has another charge in June of 2015 for leaving the scene of an accident.

The Monroe County cases against JMW in the summer of 2011 conceivably put him in Bloomington during the time of the LS disappearance.

As for HW's death last year, I suppose it's possible that JMW and DM worked together. It appears JMW was released from the New Castle DOC sometime in early 2013, since he has a new case file against him in April of 2013 for unpaid probation fees, and by July of 2014 he's got public indecency charges filed against him again.

One more interesting tidbit: I mentioned in an earlier post that RER appears to have lived in Terre Haute and perhaps went through divorce filed in Vigo County in 1997. He also seems to have had charges filed against him for battery resulting in bodily injury in July of 1999 in Sullivan County, and domestic battery charges filed against him again in November of 1999 in Vigo County.

We can't place JMW in Terre Haute in the late 90's/early 2000's, but he's younger than the other guys and his record doesn't even start until 1999.

 

[IMH]

So what will DM's defense be in the HW case? There is an argument that could be made that is similar to what Ixchel13 has already noted in a previous post, that there was another person with DM that night, and it wasn't DM who killed HW, and the cellphone was planted or left there by the real perpetrator (JMW??). So what if it's actually DM snitching on JMW, while DH is snitching on DM? Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

 

[Ixchel13]

Okay, Ixchel13, I love a challenge, and while RER and DH do not appear to have served time together, I did a little more checking into the extensive criminal histories of DH and JMW. And guess what? It seems that DH and JMW were in the clink (New Castle Correctional Facility) at the same time in spring of 2012! After JMW was charged with invading privacy, harassing and intimidating his victim in Monroe county in 8/2011, the court docket entry in that case dated 3/28/12 shows he was in the New Castle DOC (with DH). These two gentlemen actually have similar criminal backgrounds:

DH has multiple illegal consumption, public intoxication, and probation violation charges going back to 1995. By 2000 he's added theft and forgery to his repertoire. By 2005 he's charged with criminal trespass, invasion of privacy, and has violated a "no contact" order. Intimidation and battery charges in 2009, battery with bodily injury in 2010, and now he's in the New Castle DOC.

JMW's history starts around 1999, when he leaves the scene of a personal injury accident. In 2000 he is charged with battery resulting in personal injury, and in 2001 he is charged with public indecency and a protective order (for victim) is granted. Several more public indecency charges in 2002-2004, and in 2003 he's charged with battery resulting in bodily injury. Interestingly, he had no new charges between 2004-2010, but a divorce action was filed in 2009 (after which his parents apparently sued him for eviction and unpaid rent), so he seems to have been married during this time. In July and August of 2011 in Monroe County we have a domestic battery, intimidation, invasion of privacy and harassment charges with protective order to victim, and the public indecency charges begin again. He has another charge in June of 2015 for leaving the scene of an accident.

The Monroe County cases against JMW in the summer of 2011 conceivably put him in Bloomington during the time of the LS disappearance.

As for HW's death last year, I suppose it's possible that JMW and DM worked together. It appears JMW was released from the New Castle DOC sometime in early 2013, since he has a new case file against him in April of 2013 for unpaid probation fees, and by July of 2014 he's got public indecency charges filed against him again.

One more interesting tidbit: I mentioned in an earlier post that RER appears to have lived in Terre Haute and perhaps went through divorce filed in Vigo County in 1997. He also seems to have had charges filed against him for battery resulting in bodily injury in July of 1999 in Sullivan County, and domestic battery charges filed against him again in November of 1999 in Vigo County.

We can't place JMW in Terre Haute in the late 90's/early 2000's, but he's younger than the other guys and his record doesn't even start until 1999.

amazing connection there IMH!!

these 4, DH,JMW, RER and DM, all women beaters.

quote from your awesome post above:

the court docket entry in that case dated 3/28/12 shows he was in the New Castle DOC (with DH). These two gentlemen actually have similar criminal backgrounds:

so they were in around the time period DH said he helped a friend move a body. But to me, it was never clear if the reporter meant DH helped move the body or if the reporter meant DH was actually saying he as in DM helped a friend move as body.

But it places the two in the pokey together during the round about time before or after the body was moved.

And it seems like JMW and DH were talking about DM. So, DH got his info second hand from JMW, and then
tried to pass it on to officials? And then, he freaked out again when DM killed Hannah?

If snitch DH got his info about DM from JMW while they
in jail together, I think you found the connection between them, IMH. You rock!

 

[Ixchel13]

So what will DM's defense be in the HW case? There is an argument that could be made that is similar to what Ixchel13 has already noted in a previous post, that there was another person with DM that night, and it wasn't DM who killed HW, and the cellphone was planted or left there by the real perpetrator (JMW??). So what if it's actually DM snitching on JMW, while DH is snitching on DM? Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

BBM yes this is what I think after you found out they were in together: JMW told DH the story, and when
LE backtracked to DH after Hannah was killed, he gave them JMW. He had already given them DM.
Or you're right, DM very well could have given them JMW, and he was probably already in the official story DH gave prison officials.
RER coulda been watching DM through that scope.

Wish we could blow up that photo from the top of the
parking garage...Ma H? loveyou:TIA)

And then there's the idea that DH is also involved.

"He aint right in the head" has now been used as an excuse for DH, RER and JMW.

Yeah well that's a given, don't we think, that people who do things like this just aint right? But I feel like they are not crazy at all, just B>A>D>

All of them have raps for intimidation, supporting my theory that they have terrorized people in the past such as family members, employers (?) exes, etc., into silence.

In the photos of RER's gun confiscation, it shows his rifle "collection".

Yes, it's a collection of rifles, but to me, doesn't look like a gun collection, but a distribution, i.e., most of the rifles looked like standard rifles and much alike--
like some kind of militia's standard issue.

We have no idea how they questioned RER. And how he came up with the lie about visions and obsessions and being psychic.

IMO, it's not a big conspiracy--just evil people doing evil things and then bungling the cover up eventually.

PS the MO for Hannah's killing is DM's.

 

[IMH]

I also haven't forgotten that it was widely reported by the media after the searches on the Martinsville and Trafalgar properties that LE also said JMW "may be connected to other missing women." Interesting choice of words, another article said "he may be involved in the disappearances of several other women." Notice they did not use the word "responsible."

 

[IMH]

(continuation from above, sometimes I take too long to edit!)

:gaah:

I also haven't forgotten that it was widely reported by the media after the searches on the Martinsville and Trafalgar properties that LE also claimed JMW "may be connected to other missing women." Interesting choice of words, another article said "he may be involved in the disappearances of several other women." Notice they did not use the word "responsible." This ties back to one of my earlier posts that perhaps the HW, LE and MB cases may all be connected. MB was reportedly last seen getting in to a silver or gray vehicle driven by a middle-aged, heavyset man, and it sounded from the news reports like this could have been the the silver Kia that DM was driving with HW, particularly if the MB vehcile was being described by someone who didn't know much about these types of cars.

 

[IMH]

The vehicle described in the MB case:

DM's vehicle in the HW murder:

The style, color, and rims are almost identical. And LE in the MB case makes it clear the vehicle in the photo is one "similar" to what was described, and not the same.

 

[Tr.]

[/B]
There was a case years ago, a young woman, maybe only 18-19, Kelly Summers was abducted by a man who followed her from the Wal Mart parking lot after she got off work and tazed her at a 4 way stop.

Were you remembering the Kelly Eckart / Michael Overstreet case?
http://fox59.com/2013/09/05/murder-victims-family-upset-over-killers-death-sentence-hearing/

 

[Tr.]

No problem, guys! Actually I've kind of enjoyed becoming a little more familiar with what Google Maps can do. �� (Nerd alert)

I hope this leads to some interesting theories - get going everybody! It is so frustrating how slow the information has been coming out over the years. If no news comes out any time soon about the raid of JMW's family's properties, I guess the next big thing will be DM's trial. Let's all cross our fingers that it isn't continued again and begins on June 1 as scheduled!

If you could just copy and paste the web address here for your map we could pull up the same interactive map that you made.

 

[IMH]

Were you remembering the Kelly Eckart / Michael Overstreet case?
http://fox59.com/2013/09/05/murder-victims-family-upset-over-killers-death-sentence-hearing/

This is the case, but I don't see mention of wife here: http://murderpedia.org/male.O/o/overstreet-michael.htm

The wife case may be this more recent one where woman and man abducted and held captive this woman? http://fox59.com/2014/09/07/arrests...o-missing-person-investigation-in-evansville/

 

[Ixchel13]

Were you remembering the Kelly Eckart / Michael Overstreet case?
http://fox59.com/2013/09/05/murder-victims-family-upset-over-killers-death-sentence-hearing/

yes that is the case brb

 

[Tr.]

The big question: could the old commune property be where DM was heading with HW? I suppose it could be, but then why was HW found at corner of Plum Creek and S.R. 45, instead of in this far more secluded area just a few hundred feet north of Plum Creek? I originally thought that maybe he was heading east/northeast on S.R. 45 and was trying to get to the old commune property, but things got so bad inside the vehicle that he either accidentally or purposefully turned right onto Plum Creek. With the new information out regarding JMW and those properties, maybe he really was heading further out, but was stopped at the bridge repair and forced to turn back around.

After driving the area and doing some searching along Plum Creek Rd, Salmeron Rd, and Lanam Ridge Rd I'm wondering if the site where DM left Hannah was on the way from somewhere rather than to somewhere.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39....81906,-86.3145393/@39.2427144,-86.3228844,15z
This spot along Salmeron Rd (is a gravel road) seems isolated enough to get away with a crime and if upon leaving the area tempers flew and she was fatally injured in those minutes then leaving her at the Plum Creek address before heading back toward Bloomington on 45 seems like a possible scenario.
Not sure what this means for LS though.

 

[Tr.]

Since we're discussing Indiana Creeps let's not forget the Molly Dattilo case.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dattilo_molly.html

Said POI grew up in Terrahaute, lived and worked in Indianapolis where Molly disappeared from and was later arrested in Nashville In driving on suspended.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lis-6-July-2004/page6&highlight=molly+datillo

 

[Ixchel13]

This is the case, but I don't see mention of wife here: http://murderpedia.org/male.O/o/overstreet-michael.htm

The wife case may be this more recent one where woman and man abducted and held captive this woman? http://fox59.com/2014/09/07/arrests...o-missing-person-investigation-in-evansville/

had the name wrong, but the wife definitely was involved, I remember reading about the case many times as it was unfolding.

There was another case again over 10 years ago, down in Linton, where a group of 3-4 people abducted a
mentally challenged woman, raped her over a week's time and then killed her--a woman was involved in every facet of that crime and was either the ex or wife of one of the guys. Linton is about a 25 min drive south of BTown.

 

[Yeahbabs]

If you could just copy and paste the web address here for your map we could pull up the same interactive map that you made.

The map is linked on a couple of posts on page 11 of this thread, but here it is again: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zgEXA_yx1D10.kUbr8fwCZm8M&usp=sharing

Hope that helps!

 

[IMH]

After driving the area and doing some searching along Plum Creek Rd, Salmeron Rd, and Lanam Ridge Rd I'm wondering if the site where DM left Hannah was on the way from somewhere rather than to somewhere.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39....81906,-86.3145393/@39.2427144,-86.3228844,15z
This spot along Salmeron Rd (is a gravel road) seems isolated enough to get away with a crime and if upon leaving the area tempers flew and she was fatally injured in those minutes then leaving her at the Plum Creek address before heading back toward Bloomington on 45 seems like a possible scenario.
Not sure what this means for LS though.

Please see my previous post #175 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Spierer-20-Bloomington-03-June-2011-35/page12).

I originally thought DM may have been heading north/northeast with HW, particularly after the searches on JMW's property in January. LE emptied the camper JMW had lived in at one property (and also remember the cadaver dog had a hit inside the camper), and also took his truck. The amount of LE resources, including FBI, local and state police, and cadaver dogs, makes this a huge financial outlay that I doubt was undertaken based solely on the tip of an ex-girlfriend. Along with what you're thinking though TR, maybe DM was RETURNING from where he had been with HW, and then things went sideways inside the vehicle. Since the Trevlac bridge was closed at SR 45, either way (coming or going) he was going to be taking some pretty remote side roads, many of which are gravel. The fact he left HW where he did though, when just a little more driving would have given him the opportunity to hide her in a much more remote location, tells me that: 1) it was getting light outside so his options were quickly diminishing, and that means either 2) he abducted her as soon as she got home, took her somewhere for 5-6 hours and was returning south; or 3) he abducted her later, and was heading somewhere north with her; and 4) either way with time frame, things were so bad inside the vehicle that he was forced to stop where he did. This location where HW was found is not nearly as remote as many other options you mention, including anywhere along Plum Creek Road or even SR 45.

 

[Ixchel13]

After driving the area and doing some searching along Plum Creek Rd, Salmeron Rd, and Lanam Ridge Rd I'm wondering if the site where DM left Hannah was on the way from somewhere rather than to somewhere.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39....81906,-86.3145393/@39.2427144,-86.3228844,15z
This spot along Salmeron Rd (is a gravel road) seems isolated enough to get away with a crime and if upon leaving the area tempers flew and she was fatally injured in those minutes then leaving her at the Plum Creek address before heading back toward Bloomington on 45 seems like a possible scenario.
Not sure what this means for LS though.

yes the Salmeron Rd area looks good for this to me as well.

 

[Tr.]

The map is linked on a couple of posts on page 11 of this thread, but here it is again: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zgEXA_yx1D10.kUbr8fwCZm8M&usp=sharing

Hope that helps!

Thanks..got it book marked now.

 

[IMH]

Since we're discussing Indiana Creeps let's not forget the Molly Dattilo case.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dattilo_molly.html

Said POI grew up in Terrahaute, lived and worked in Indianapolis where Molly disappeared from and was later arrested in Nashville In driving on suspended.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...lis-6-July-2004/page6&highlight=molly+datillo

It's insane how many "POIs" are out there with felony criminal convictions, and who also have racked up these types of infractions (suspended license, no registration, speeding, etc.). Not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier, perhaps?

 

[akh]

and also remember the cadaver dog had a hit inside the camper)

I realize the dogs can wrongly hit on some things, but I don't recall any news one way or the other about any hits in this search. I'm not even sure I heard of a camper. Is this rumor or local chatter, or is there a news report somewhere?