In Retrospect-Kronk Believes He Saw Skull In August

[raeann]

While I am still willing to give RK the benefit of the doubt, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. First he went into the woods to pee, then he said he went there to specifically check for the bag. One time he was taking a break from work, then he was supposedly not on duty at the time. One time he "thought" he saw something, then we find that he was so sure it WAS something that he took a camera with him. If he thought to take a picture of a snake, then why not a picture of the bag to show police?

Maybe all of us are more curious or persistent than most....but if I thought I saw ANYTHING at all questionable in that area, and the police did not listen... I would have next called any tip line available, then the FBI, then Tim Miller, then GOD help me... even Leonard P. ! Yes, I know they were not all on the scene in August yet, but they were all thoroughly involved long before December. If he was worried about how it would look in August for him to find Caylee due to his particular background...well that did not change by December.

 

[AmyinTheHam]

Is there a thread about the 911 calls in August? I am listening to the audio on the first call and boy this operator is not taking him seriously!

 

[madeleine]

While I am still willing to give RK the benefit of the doubt, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. First he went into the woods to pee, then he said he went there to specifically check for the bag. One time he was taking a break from work, then he was supposedly not on duty at the time. One time he "thought" he saw something, then we find that he was so sure it WAS something that he took a camera with him. If he thought to take a picture of a snake, then why not a picture of the bag to show police?
Maybe all of us are more curious or persistent than most....but if I thought I saw ANYTHING at all questionable in that area, and the police did not listen... I would have next called any tip line available, then the FBI, then Tim Miller, then GOD help me... even Leonard P. ! Yes, I know they were not all on the scene in August yet, but they were all thoroughly involved long before December. If he was worried about how it would look in August for him to find Caylee due to his particular background...well that did not change by December.

Good point.

 

[mydailyopinions]

Good point.

While I am still willing to give RK the benefit of the doubt, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. First he went into the woods to pee, then he said he went there to specifically check for the bag. One time he was taking a break from work, then he was supposedly not on duty at the time. One time he "thought" he saw something, then we find that he was so sure it WAS something that he took a camera with him. If he thought to take a picture of a snake, then why not a picture of the bag to show police?

Maybe all of us are more curious or persistent than most....but if I thought I saw ANYTHING at all questionable in that area, and the police did not listen... I would have next called any tip line available, then the FBI, then Tim Miller, then GOD help me... even Leonard P. ! Yes, I know they were not all on the scene in August yet, but they were all thoroughly involved long before December. If he was worried about how it would look in August for him to find Caylee due to his particular background...well that did not change by December.

Didn't he changed locations at one point? I wonder if he took the picture of a snake to show to his boss to say something like "look, I am too old to have to run for my life, put someone younger in that area"
I think its possible.

 

[DesSands]

What I don't understand is if RK seen the bag and the skull why wasn't he more persistent with the responding deputy. The deputy walks to the waters edge, took a cursory look and states, "I don't see anything" When that happens why doesn't RK say, "Sir, the bag is right over there and I think I see a skull." By the way I am a former bounty hunter and this area has bothered me for some time. Why does RK just walk away and say well I must be losing my mind! Believe me I am all for RK and thank god he found our little angel but I just wish he would have been more assertive.

*snip*

There are some cops that you don't question, believe me. You can tell by their initial attitude as my dh and me learned once.
Unprovoked a sheriff in NJ pulled us over for no reason and was trying to pick a fight with my dh. We were both respectful as we have always been and this jerk kept saying what did you say to me? Think you know more or semething to that effect. This went on for 5 mins. with him trying to pick a fight. He was a bully with a gun and night stick. I was terrified and clammed up trying not to say anything and hoping dh would be ok. He was close to being dragged out of the car for nothing besides. Now I know what most people ae thinking, he was racially profiling. NOT we are white.
So some people think of LE as authority and expect honesty and help from them. Not all LE are bad, but the ones that are, are REALLY BAD.
The cop that went to that scene may have given of an air of I looked, I said it was trash and don't question me.

The only thing I don't understand is why RK kept calling at night instead of daylight hrs.?

 

[LeLe1953]

I'm on the fence about the benefit for the prosecution with this one. My concern is that if RK says he saw a skull in August, yet in December basically stated he had to move the bag and a skull fell out, something isn't adding up.

My hinky meter wasn't on alert before, but the needle just jumped.

The more stories he tells, the more he changes his stories, the less believable he is. I do not think he saw the skull in Aug. NO ONE would walk away from that, shrugging their shoulders, like "ah, okay, I must be seeing things."

 

[fla*mom]

People seem to forget or don't discuss who he was with. He was not even alone when he first saw something. It has been reported he was with two other people. Why no one has interviewed them I have no idea. Maybe they should. What did they see? They have said even less. LE may have, but the media has not gotten ahold of them yet and ripped them apart one end to another. Bet they can't wait for their turn. ARGH!

 

[pirate]

Proof he's changing his story?

We've heard him speak twice- at the news conference on December 19 and in his interview on GMA this past tuesday.

We have also heard the released 911 calls.


I've listened to all of these. Not once has Roy Knonk contradicted himself.

If someone believes he has, please post transcripts or links.

 

[wallflower67]

What I don't understand is if RK seen the bag and the skull why wasn't he more persistent with the responding deputy. The deputy walks to the waters edge, took a cursory look and states, "I don't see anything" When that happens why doesn't RK say, "Sir, the bag is right over there and I think I see a skull." By the way I am a former bounty hunter and this area has bothered me for some time. Why does RK just walk away and say well I must be losing my mind! Believe me I am all for RK and thank god he found our little angel but I just wish he would have been more assertive. PS: It is know time to shut up! You have your paid interview which I think he deserves some compensation since he did not qualify for a reward but it is now time to be quiet until trial.

He said in retrospect, he thinks he saw the skull. He saw something white. Now that he knows what it was, he's probably thinking that the something white was the skull, or part of it.

Yes, the body would have been decomposed enough to only be a skull.

 

[pirate]

People seem to forget or don't discuss who he was with. He was not even alone when he first saw something. It has been reported he was with two other people. Why no one has interviewed them I have no idea. Maybe they should. What did they see? They have said even less. LE may have, but the media has not gotten ahold of them yet and ripped them apart one end to another. Bet they can't wait for their turn. ARGH!

According to his GMA interview, he was with one person- his coworker.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

How much of this reporting is from Kronk himself, or his attorney? I don't recall him changing the colour of the bag 3 times. But if someone can show me otherwise...

LE has known his full story for some time. A lot of what we're seeing on the news is hear-say, IMO.

He said he saw something white on a tree, like a board or something. NOT a white bag. The bag story changes are not his if you read back.

 

[raeann]

Didn't he changed locations at one point? I wonder if he took the picture of a snake to show to his boss to say something like "look, I am too old to have to run for my life, put someone younger in that area"
I think its possible.

LOL...maybe... but as I understand it the snake was dead and in the woods... no where near the meters he was SUPPOSED to be reading. I would think that he was in much worse danger from dogs in backyards than from the snakes in the woods where there were NO METERS to begin with! It also seems to me to be an OK area to be assigned to... there are certainly areas of Orlando that I personally would be much more frightened to be walking alone even during the day time.

 

[Fandy]

Actually from June 16-August 11 is almost two months.

And several forensic experts have said that given the conditions in Florida last summer, Caylee's remains in those woods would have been skeletonized in appx, 2 weeks.

Wouldn't there have been this horrific SMELL coming from the area? I would think that would be cause for LE to check again after arming themselves with protective gear against snakes....(IDK, it just seems logical).:waitasec:

 

[Steely Dan]

Roy Kronk now believes he saw Caylee Anthony’s skull sticking out of a bag the first day he reported something suspicious in the woods in August


He does not say he knew it was a skull. He says he Believes now that it was the skull.
Looking back now and thinking it was the skull versus knowing it was are totally different.

And he did call about it, 3 times and mentions the something white.

There is nothing to his comment IMO.


It is already obvious from his 911 call and mentioning the something white that he might have thought it could be a skull but was not sure at the time....the end result was he called the police and then DID follow up later on.

What bothers me is that if nobody wanted to get close enough to the bag physically then why didn't someone try binoculars to see better what the bag was all about? :waitasec:

I think if I was disturbed enough to call three times I would have brought binoculars at least once after the first call.

Do this experiment- put something in your sink and cover it with a piece of plastic. lay some things around it and on top of the plastic. Take a picture.

Fill your sink with water. Take a picture of how your pile looks.

Drain the water and see how your pile looks.

Is it still perfectly intact or are different things exposed at each stage of water presence or lack thereof?

Not a great experiment IMO. The sink is an enclosed area. The bag was in a swampy area that pummeled by rising and falling water levels that weren't restricted very much and probably made some waves at one point or another.

I went down -- well (INAUDIBLE) I went down, and behind one of the trees was a (DELETED) and it looked rather suspicious. I didn't touch anything. And then a little bit further up, you can tell where someone ran across it with a mower, but the weeds are still real high in that area. There's a fallen tree that it looks like someone had tried to cut on it at one point. But there was a white board hanging across the tree, and there was something round and white underneath of it. And I don't know what it is, but it just didn't look like something that should be there.

The reporter would not even need a source to take what I and others already suspected he might have seen when reading his own words in the 911 call.

Is it possible the white ring was to mark the site? :waitasec:

If so then the bungling PI's never saw it or didn't know it's significance.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

While I am still willing to give RK the benefit of the doubt, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. First he went into the woods to pee, then he said he went there to specifically check for the bag. One time he was taking a break from work, then he was supposedly not on duty at the time. One time he "thought" he saw something, then we find that he was so sure it WAS something that he took a camera with him. If he thought to take a picture of a snake, then why not a picture of the bag to show police?

Maybe all of us are more curious or persistent than most....but if I thought I saw ANYTHING at all questionable in that area, and the police did not listen... I would have next called any tip line available, then the FBI, then Tim Miller, then GOD help me... even Leonard P. ! Yes, I know they were not all on the scene in August yet, but they were all thoroughly involved long before December. If he was worried about how it would look in August for him to find Caylee due to his particular background...well that did not change by December.

Or simply why didn't (when the cop was there with him) RK say...hey hold on a minute...I'll wade in and get the bag and let's look. Although I understand he might have been somewhat intimidated by the cop trying to "blow him off" if he was truly that worried, I would have retrieved the bag while LE was there.

 

[Bev]

Swag hit the nail on the head. You have to read and watch news critically. When you dissect this story, there is nothing in it. The lede is enough to make anyone question the information - "a source close to the investigation" - who is this source, why would he not give his name, how close is he to the investigation? This "source" could be anyone from the detective who interviewed him (which I doubt based on their past reluctance to speak to the press) to the guy empyting the garbage cans at night. Secondly, how did the reporter find out this information, did he/she interview this source, did the source call the reporter, did the reporter ask a specific question in which the answer in context would have an entirely different meaning? Where is the reporter's confirmation, did he contact Kronk and ask him to verify this story? Are the facts in the story possible? Would a skull appear to be white in that environment? Why didn't Kronk say that at the time? How close is this source to Kronk and would Kronk be confiding in this source? What other sources are confirming this? Why doesn't the reporter have other sources, which in good journalism is the rule?

This is just shoddy work.

 

[Silk]

It seems entirely too easy to say "why didn't Kronk do this" or "didn't do that". Apparently, it's not all that easy to get someone in authority to listen to ya about this case. What was this poor guy supposed to do? Have any of you ever called a nationally syndicated show? I would imagine the chances of getting through would be about as good as winning the lottery, or close.

I say Kronk did the right thing, or at least he sure tried. No one would take the guy serious.

I talked to 5 different LE officers and Child Protective Services about an unsafe home/caregivers for a child I had personal knowledge of. It was only when a child died because it was in bed with an adult who was under the influence of substances and rolled over on her and suffocated her that LE and CPS came in an evaluated and removed the other child from the home.

A senseless death of an infant due to lack of investigation based on credible info from a reliable health care professional. I am VERY pro LE but they dropped the ball on this case.

 

[raeann]

People seem to forget or don't discuss who he was with. He was not even alone when he first saw something. It has been reported he was with two other people. Why no one has interviewed them I have no idea. Maybe they should. What did they see? They have said even less. LE may have, but the media has not gotten ahold of them yet and ripped them apart one end to another. Bet they can't wait for their turn. ARGH!

I actually saw at one time an on camera interview with someone from the utilities company who claimed that RK wasn't even there to read meters, he was "flagging" as they do for someone who is planting trees or putting up a fence. (I don't know what network it was so don't even ask me to find the video anywhere as I have no clue.) I believe that this person being interviewed was responding to questions about why the 911 operator in December was told to look for a utilities vehicle when RK was supposedly NOT out reading meters.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Is it possible the white ring was to mark the site? :waitasec:

If so then the bungling PI's never saw it or didn't know it's significance.

Kronk didn't call the round white thing a "ring". This was filmed by the PIs...

 

[tx_Dot]

Proof he's changing his story?

We've heard him speak twice- at the news conference on December 19 and in his interview on GMA this past tuesday.

We have also heard the released 911 calls.


I've listened to all of these. Not once has Roy Knonk contradicted himself.

If someone believes he has, please post transcripts or links.

Well, now that the title has been changed it really sounds like he's changing his story........

The news story says it comes from a 'source'......& does not say the 'source' is the MR.