In Retrospect-Kronk Believes He Saw Skull In August

[radio]

Such leaks all depend on the Sheriff.

This is a high-profile case that crimetainment denizens have feasted on for a long time. An unholy alliance (you scratch my back, I scratch yours) has long existed between LE and the media.

You didn't see the media continually asking the Sheriff what in the world took so long to get behind what transpired in the August meeting between Kronk and his Deputy.

I get you. :thumb:

I guess this stuff gets released instead of evidence statements. Just keep 'um enraged, howling and gossiping!!!! LOL!!! :bang: :boohoo::boohoo:

 

[Hot Dogs]

tx_Dot and JWG, this audio was initially on the web in an unedited version. It is very possible that Kronk actually used his supervisor's name in his conversation with him. That unedited audio was available for at least two days. I know because this same question came up before and I went back to listen. At the time I had no interest in his name - so I cannot recall it.

Additionally, the audio of the actual call to 911 may have contained the name of the supervisor.

 

[tx_Dot]

tx_Dot and JWG, this audio was initially on the web in an unedited version. It is very possible that Kronk actually used his supervisor's name in his conversation with him. That unedited audio was available for at least two days. I know because this same question came up before and I went back to listen. At the time I had no interest in his name - so I cannot recall it.

Additionally, the audio of the actual call to 911 may have contained the name of the supervisor.

Thanks for your help.....I don't even think about audio (unless I hear it on NG)
my 'kid' borrowed my speakers.....maybe I'll get them back...this year...:crazy:

 

[kiki the parrot]

Do you really believe that the police were yakking about this on an open frequency, do you really think that the Anthonys, who had to suspect that their phones were tapped, and knew their computers could be seized at any time were leaving messages for each other as to the location of the body, something that only KC could have known? Why in the world, would KC want that body found? As long as the body wasn't found she had a slim chance of either a plea or a sentence with possible parole. She's the last person who wanted that body found.

(respectfully snipped) IF it was unintentional and IF it turns out kidnapping was staged (to deflect responsibility for negligence eg), then KC wanted the body found initially but only for so long... until w time it became less and less likely staging would any longer be evident or effective in implicating anyone else (some other random "kidnapper"), while simultaneously reducing chances of ever recovering sufficient evidence to reveal actual COD and any hope of exculpating her of murder. JMO

Every time I read a thread about RK I think KC just might walk. If there is just one juror who jumps to conclusions the way people on this forum do it's quite possible she will walk. It seems that everyone is intent on casting dispersions on this man regardless of what he says or doesn't say. Where does it say that he reported that in August he thought he saw a skull? It doesn't because that is not what he said. All that is reported is that he said that LOOKING BACK ON IT he thinks what he saw was the skull. He did not state that BACK IN AUGUST HE THOUGHT HE SAW A SKULL. For all we know LE has shown him pix of the skull to see if it resembled what he saw back in August. And for the umpteenth time--he did not call LE until 9:30 pm on 8/11 because he called when his shift was over. He did not call on county time which was the right thing to do.

And if there are twelve jurors who jump to conclusions the way people on this forum do she could also be wrongfully convicted of first degree murder. That said I haven't--as some would suggest, nor as have a few--a strictly defense perspective (no really!) And completely appreciate and agree w bolded above! JMO

 

[Steely Dan]

I think the whole CLAN- everyone involved with the case better get their stories straight- too much speculation and too many contradictions- You dont know who or what to believe anymore- I don trust none of them- the Anthonys, the physic, the MR, the P.I's, the LE- all of the above and more- everyday there seems to be a different story or confliction- I think they are learning from Casey how to lie-

ITA, this gets weirder by the day. If the whole case is cracked wide open it will be a mind blowing thing IMO.

Notice this is a picture of a live snake, not a dead snake.

That is a dead snake which has been posed for the photo.

Why would someone pose a dead snake for a photo?!

on gma he said i had to go to the bathroom-lol--was that more than pee?lol

I wouldn't want to get bitten on the heiney by a rattlesnake! :snake:

You are incorrect Wudge. I've raised pythons for 20 years and a snake would never rest it's central body on the neck like that.

A natural position for a live snake would be coiled but not allowing it's own weight to prevent it from striking or fleeing.

ython:

Must have been a different interview with LP. In the one I heard, all I heard mentioned was the first name and the term neighbor. Not saying LP did not know or mention it at another time.

I am still wondering though - is it a fact or an LP theory?

(LP ... every time I see that I think Liquid Propane)

But Kronk was not relieving himself in August. He was searching for Caylee's body and just happened to nail the exact spot where Caylee's body was, seemingly on his first try.

:waitasec: Some things don't add up here.

that's correct to me also........and thank goodness RK found CAYLEE, thanks to RK!!! I really don't care if there was a daisy chain, atleast RK DID something and NO ONE ELSE DID ANYTHING!!!! IMo

Just because Kronk may have been part of a daisy chain it doesn't mean he's guilty of something. It could mean that he was the end of the chain through what he thought were innocent means.

Ya know, some of us have hinky meters going off, some of us don’t. I seem to go back and forth, depending on what talking head I have listened to that day. (or which good theory I read on WS :crazy What I do know is that if LE were on the television every single day, explaining their version of the RK discovery, I would tend to believe them.

So....the hinky version which somehow involves the A camp:

August - KC out on bond. She tells “someone” what happened and where the body is dumped. “Someone” somehow gets a tip to the local ex bounty hunter/meter reader who goes to investigate. Calls cops, nothing.

November - PI’s decide to go themselves to find the body (from the information “someone” gave them). Maybe they did find something. Maybe not.

December - ex bounty hunter/meter reader is told to go back to site and find the body. Which he did.

HOW DOES THIS HELP OR HURT THE DEFENSE? We all know the prosecution wouldn’t be taking part in any shenanigans. If they found the body, by God they would let everyone know because that was the piece of the puzzle that was missing for them.

SO...if anything untoward is in fact going on between the other “players”.......WHY? I wish someone would throw a theory out that would show just exactly HOW THAT WOULD HELP THE DEFENSE????

Playing devils advocate here:

Kronk needs money. The A's want to keep themselves as far away from the bodies discovery as possible. They daisy chain somehow ending in Kronk who is told he will receive a large reward.

Back then the defense is going to use the body to perpetuate the nanny kidnapping theory. Kronk calls three times and is told to give up and then the storm comes.

So now Kronk has nothing at all. So in December he decides that since he was screwed over by the A's he'll look for the body again because he can become the hero and sell his story.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Why would someone pose a dead snake for a photo?!

Why not?

Just because Kronk may have been part of a daisy chain it doesn't mean he's guilty of something. It could mean that he was the end of the chain through what he thought were innocent means.

He would be guilty of lying. He said he was given no kind of tip on Caylee's location. It doesn't matter if he thinks the tip was innocent. He said, no tip.

 

[Steely Dan]

Why not?



He would be guilty of lying. He said he was given no kind of tip on Caylee's location. It doesn't matter if he thinks the tip was innocent. He said, no tip.

Good point. :thumb:

 

[Crafti]

I hope it helps the proscecution.....but I can also see when he opens his mouth jb using it against LE....

But LE isn't on trial. Granted it really sucks that they didn't pursue his tip further, but these tips show that there is reason to believe that her body was there, regardless of the deputy not thoroughly searching. And more importantly the forensics show that it was. All this other stuff is on the sidelines, interesting and possible a variety of punishments will be coming for some other people, but the most important thing now is justice for Caylee.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

(respectfully snipped) IF it was unintentional and IF it turns out kidnapping was staged (to deflect responsibility for negligence eg), then KC wanted the body found initially but only for so long... until w time it became less and less likely staging would any longer be evident or effective in implicating anyone else (some other random "kidnapper"), while simultaneously reducing chances of ever recovering sufficient evidence to reveal actual COD and any hope of exculpating her of murder. JMO



And if there are twelve jurors who jump to conclusions the way people on this forum do she could also be wrongfully convicted of first degree murder. That said I haven't--as some would suggest, nor as have a few--a strictly defense perspective (no really!) And completely appreciate and agree w bolded above! JMO

Absolutely agree with you!

 

[Steely Dan]

But LE isn't on trial. Granted it really sucks that they didn't pursue his tip further, but these tips show that there is reason to believe that her body was there, regardless of the deputy not thoroughly searching. And more importantly the forensics show that it was. All this other stuff is on the sidelines, interesting and possible a variety of punishments will be coming for some other people, but the most important thing now is justice for Caylee.

Just wait til JB starts getting his turn with the guys on the stand. :furious:

 

[debirlfan]

IMHO - everyone is getting this backwards. The MR wasn't given a tip about the location of the body - but he might have given one.

My thinking is... as stated, MR and co-worker were killing time because they could not return to the office before a set time.

For some reason, MR decides to go into the woods. Maybe he knew he was near the A's house and it looked like a good place to dump a body. Maybe he did need to wiz. At any rate, he went into the woods, and saw something he felt was odd - he may even have been somewhat convinced that it was Caylee, but not certain.

Now, MR had every reason not to want to get involved. Remember, the last time he got involved in someone else's business, he was accused of kidnapping. He wasn't eligible for the reward. And, if reports are true, he owed back child support and presumably would have wanted to keep a low profile.

Perhaps he tried to convince his co-worker to report the suspicious bag. Perhaps he simply needed some time to convince himself that it might be important - or to overcome his desire to stay out of it. So, that night he calls LE.

When he finally gets the police to go out there with him, the officer 'doesn't see' the bag. I suspect that the bag/round object may be on a somewhat raised area, with a 'moat' separating them from it (wouldn't need to be deep, maybe even just muddy) - neither MR nor LE wants to go into the possibly snake infested water to look more closely.

After being told to quit wasting resources, MR takes off - officer perhaps went back to his car and did something else (did paperwork, ate lunch) - which would explain the length of time he was on scene.

Now, my theory is that MR might be the one who was on the phone with the PI. Having tried repeatedly with the police, might he have sent the PI out there - but the PI was actually in the wrong place and found nothing? Then finally, MR decides that since no one else has found Caylee, that what he saw probably was her, and goes back himself to look?

 

[LCoastMom]

Know we know where the "gray" trash bag comes from:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18473765/detail.html

call type: suspicious

CP: Roy / Meter Reader

Time: 3:18pm Entry: 1/2 mile on Suburban past HopeSprings swamp area...unk gray bag in swamp area Roy / Meter Reader

Time: 3:29pm ID: Cain, R

Time: 4:02pm clear N/R TRASH ONLY

 

[LCoastMom]

IMHO - everyone is getting this backwards. The MR wasn't given a tip about the location of the body - but he might have given one.

Now, my theory is that MR might be the one who was on the phone with the PI. Having tried repeatedly with the police, might he have sent the PI out there - but the PI was actually in the wrong place and found nothing? Then finally, MR decides that since no one else has found Caylee, that what he saw probably was her, and goes back himself to look?

LOL Why not? The only thing that would be any surprise to me at this point is if LE suddenly arrested "the real killer": Zanni the Nanny and let KC go with a huge apology. To make matters worse, with all the twists and turns, even this won't actually surprise me at this point cos everyday it's something new!!

So this idea is as likely to me as any other!


BTW: :Welcome-12-june:

 

[Steely Dan]

Interesting that the cop called it a gray bag?! :detective: :waitasec:

 

[radio]

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling, you`re an attorney. Do we have here a failure to communicate when Roy Kronk now says, "Oh, I think I actually did see Caylee`s skull back in August?" And apparently he did not convey with enough urgency or he really was blown off rudely by this officer who reported it as more trash.

DREW FINDLING, CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER: You know, preserving the integrity of a crime scene is stressed not only in local police departments, but by the department of justice; and not just the first crime scene, the primary crime scene, but secondary crime scenes. And when a patrol officer gets information like this, it`s his responsibility to not only take it in, but to let the detectives know immediately.

It was not for him to blow off. And what he`s doing is opening the door because there`s got to be a forensic fight that`s going to be started by the defense because the integrity of the crime scene was clearly compromised. Better testing would have been made available had this information been conveyed early on.

 

[pirate]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Why would someone pose a dead snake for a photo?!



Dan, I see you live in NY- When people visit Florida they seem to think they need to take pictures of EVERYTHING............ especially our reptiles, water birds, etc.

I assume large rattlesnakes are not the norm in most places- and neither are the little lizards that are almost like insects here, they are so common.

Armadillos- people will stop to photograph those little buggers and make a big deal- even though most floridians would prefer to shoot them because they destroy our lawns.


But honestly, I wouldnt' be surprised if Kronk took that dead snake to do something with his skin- it was a nice sized snake and some people like that stuff.

 

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Why would someone pose a dead snake for a photo?!



Dan, I see you live in NY- When people visit Florida they seem to think they need to take pictures of EVERYTHING............ especially our reptiles, water birds, etc.

I assume large rattlesnakes are not the norm in most places- and neither are the little lizards that are almost like insects here, they are so common.

Armadillos- people will stop to photograph those little buggers and make a big deal- even though most floridians would prefer to shoot them because they destroy our lawns.


But honestly, I wouldnt' be surprised if Kronk took that dead snake to do something with his skin- it was a nice sized snake and some people like that stuff.

Not me. I'm so scared of snakes even a dead one would make me run for the hills!!! :snake::run: :yow: I'd break the one minute mile!! and if he came near me!!:gavel:

 

[tx_Dot]

[Q]

Why would someone pose a dead snake for a photo?!

Hmmmm......Ever tried getting a live snake to pose for a photo ??

 

[Steely Dan]

Hmmmm......Ever tried getting a live snake to pose for a photo ??

You just shake a stuffed mouse and keep saying "look at the stuffed mousie, c'mon look at the stuffed mousie. Smile, smile!"

The mods are probably going to ruin our fun on this thread. It's all relevant IMO. :clap:

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

You are incorrect Wudge. I've raised pythons for 20 years and a snake would never rest it's central body on the neck like that.

A natural position for a live snake would be coiled but not allowing it's own weight to prevent it from striking or fleeing.

Pirate, maybe you can help me with these questions:

1. Since wild life is so prevalent in FL, is LE trained on what to do when encountering an alligator, a venomous snake, etc ?

2. If so, I can't just imagine the recommended response to the potential for very large venomous snakes is the baton. Wouldn't the office being putting himself in more jeopardy by attacking a large snake with a baton ?

Kronk's statement that officer pulled out his baton after the snake discussion has nagged at me. One detail too many.....