GUILTY IN - Shaylyn Ammerman, 14 mos, Spencer, 23 March 2016 #2

[ILOKAL]

Agree, and I mentioned this on the previous thread. I suspect that Shaylyn was dead a while before she was reported missing. Someone who was in the home that night orchestrated the cover-up and hoped that everyone would be able to adhere to the tale. If alcohol and/or drugs were used freely during the day/night, sticking to the story would have been difficult for even adroit tale-tellers. Sadly, this case reminds me of Haleigh Cummings' "disappearance". At least there's a body in the current case; Haleigh has never been located. :moo:

I just can't make the leap this prematurely to say that Shaylyn was already dead when she was reported missing. I am more apt to believe that Shaylyn was removed from the house as she slept and was killed sometime later. How much later? Hopefully the autopsy will be able to pinpoint the time of death.

 

[ILOKAL]

In the interview of the two brothers, the uncle says that when Kyle left, he yelled out his window to asking Kyle where he was going.

Why? Supposedly, he's a friend, they were drinking, everyone has fallen asleep...he's going home. Why would that raise enough question in the uncle's mind to get up, open the window, and yell out the window to ask where he was going?

Maybe they had a disagreement so Kyle walked out.

 

[Damarna]

They said that Shaylyn was found where Indian Creek and White River intersect. In the videos it shows railroad tracks.
The demeanor of Justin in the videos was alarming to me. I asked in a group and was told he is ADHD, was in special ed classes, so he may therefore get some type of disability and be on medication. I do not know the same for Adam, but I would assume possibly the same.

I thought at the time KP was arrested that LE said this case was just starting and there would be more arrests
Then I though they said they expected no more arrests
Since KP is in jail and may have a attorney I hope he is talking to LE to get to the bottom of what happened in that house.
As far as Justins prior girlfriend, KR, not posting on Facebook, maybe she is talking to LE as well. We can hope

Do you happen to have a link that confirms the ADHD/Spec Ed info?

 

[scmom]

And maybe the neighbor heard Adam yelling out the window at Kyle. Who knows.

 

[mrsobrien]

Didn't the neighbors say they heard an argument at that time? I guess someone was yelling something at someone. But that house seems like Grand Central Station. I doubt AA would yell at KP at 3 AM because he was worried about where KP was going, assuming all else was normal (okay, not normal for most people, more like things were happening as described). KP would have presumably been going home after the non-party. Big deal. No yelling required.

I have not seen confirmation that neighbors heard a fight, but I'm sure that I've missed stuff. Can you please link?

 

[MBK]

This photo bugs me to no end

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http://www.wthr.com/story/31554748/...y-of-missing-spencer-toddler-shaylyn-ammerman

Poor little Shaylyn already had bronchiolitis as a baby (ongoing when the photo was taken?) . , . . I am sure her condition was exacerbated by living with those people in an environment that was unhealthy, if not toxic, in many ways.

 

[pepelepolecat]

I'm 41 and my spouse and I have been playing almost weekly for the last 20 years with the same group of friends. We are all professionals who live in reality ever day. Most of the d&d players I have meet over the last 20 years have been intelligent people.

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I said the family -- not d&d players -- were insular. And by insular, I didn't mean unintelligent but insular as it is defined in the dictionary -- narrow, inward looking, etc. I don't think these folks are going to win any intelligence contests, but I also don't think they're necessarily unintelligent, either.

Jumping off this post -- I'm not responding any more to this topic because I feel like I'm belaboring a point that really isn't pertinent. They aren't players/gamers of any kind to my knowledge and if they are, it likely doesn't have to do with the case.

 

[cuffem]

I have not caught up reading here but has the family been said to be poi or suspects?

 

[Hoosier952]

Didn't the neighbors say they heard an argument at that time? I guess someone was yelling something at someone. But that house seems like Grand Central Station. I doubt AA would yell at KP at 3 AM because he was worried about where KP was going, assuming all else was normal (okay, not normal for most people, more like things were happening as described). KP would have presumably been going home after the non-party. Big deal. No yelling required.

I think it's weird that there was an argument, but AA mentioned the yelling. I guess I could see someone waking up to someone walking out the door and possible opening a window to find out why they are leaving (kinda), but it certainly wouldn't sound like an argument. I mean AA said KP didn't respond, which suggests he didn't yell loud enough to hear him. I think if everyone was unaware of what KP was doing, KP would have answered back, even if was just to say "home" or "going to bed, I'm tired". What if AA would have gone out to talk to him?

So yeah, I'm not buying KP was the only one who knew what happened. Maybe not everyone in the house, but at least more than just KP.

 

[mrsobrien]

I have not caught up reading here but has the family been said to be poi or suspects?

See first page. All people in the house that night are POI.

 

[verbonica]

In the interview of the two brothers, the uncle says that when Kyle left, he yelled out his window to asking Kyle where he was going.

Why? Supposedly, he's a friend, they were drinking, everyone has fallen asleep...he's going home. Why would that raise enough question in the uncle's mind to get up, open the window, and yell out the window to ask where he was going?

It's possible that he didn't want KP to be driving drunk. Maybe it's a stretch, but it is possible.

 

[cuffem]

See first page. All people in the house that night are POI.

I have been reading here but never saw an article or statement where they have been called suspects by LE other than the posters here.Thought I might have missed something.

 

[mrsobrien]

I have been reading here but never saw an article or statement where they have been called suspects by LE other than the posters here.Thought I might have missed something.

Police spoke to several persons of interest and served search warrants at several houses. Everyone inside the home Tuesday night is considered a person of interest.

http://fox59.com/2016/03/23/police-search-for-missing-one-year-old-girl-last-seen-in-spencer/

 

[ILOKAL]

I think it's weird that there was an argument, but AA mentioned the yelling. I guess I could see someone waking up to someone walking out the door and possible opening a window to find out why they are leaving (kinda), but it certainly wouldn't sound like an argument. I mean AA said KP didn't respond, which suggests he didn't yell loud enough to hear him. I think if everyone was unaware of what KP was doing, KP would have answered back, even if was just to say "home" or "going to bed, I'm tired". What if AA would have gone out to talk to him?

So yeah, I'm not buying KP was the only one who knew what happened. Maybe not everyone in the house, but at least more than just KP.

I look at the non-response from Kyle somewhat differently. I don't think the fact that Kyle failed to respond "suggests" that he didn't hear Adam. At that time of early morning it would be very quiet in the neighborhood (presumably) and no reason for Kyle not to have heard, IMO. I think there was another reason for his not responding.

 

[smiley]

Do you happen to have a link that confirms the ADHD/Spec Ed info?

It is on the fb group Justice for Shaylyn I think that is the name of it

 

[mrsobrien]

It is on the fb group Justice for Shaylyn I think that is the name of it

I'm going to consider that to be a rumor then, these things can get out of control so quickly!

 

[smiley]

It is on the fb group Justice for Shaylyn I think that is the name of it

Justice is in all caps. If you use the search box on top right of the group and type in Justin, it is under the 5th post you will see

 

[mrsobrien]

Justice is in all caps. If you use the search box on top right of the group and type in Justin, it is under the 5th post you will see

It looks like it's been closed. :-/

 

[verbonica]

Everyone, please remember, no rumors. No rumors from Facebook or anywhere else.

I promise you if someone posts a rumor within 2 posts that "rumor" becomes a "fact." Then the "fact" is spread to other social media outlets, then the police get calls from people on Social Media because they want to pass along this "fact' to help the investigation. Then the police have to come out and state this "fact" is not a fact but a rumor.

Then the police all gather around the water cooler and complain about Social Media saying what a pain in the rear all of it has become.

Then Websleuths gets painted with that brush of causing problems for the police.

I am not making one single bit of this up.

No rumors, no posting from comments of other media outlets. No Facebook.

Please, I am begging you here, keep to the facts and your opinions.

Thank you,

Tricia

Bumping up. Just FYI.

 

[*JMO*]

Was it ever confirmed if the diaper bag was also taken when the baby was first discovered missing? I read that early on, but never heard if that was in fact true or verified by LE.