IN - Subway's Jared Fogle - plea deal in federal child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 case, 2015

  • #401
Apparently I am in the minority here but I don't understand the glee at the idea that JF might be raped in prison.

I can get behind the idea of legally throwing the book at him. Giving him the harshest penalty allowed by law. Heck yeah! Lock him up for the rest of his life, if legally possible. I got no problem with that.

But hoping for, or at the very least condoning, his sexual assault in addition to his legal punishment?

I don't get it.

Even if we think criminals deserve to get back what they gave out to their victims, our legal system isn't based on that concept. Even convicted rapists aren't sentenced to being raped as their lawful punishment.

Championing or even condoning such an act seems to me the equivalent of stating that some rape victims deserve it.

And I don't believe anyone deserves to be a victim of a crime. Not even JF.

true.hooooowever, people want to see justice, vengeance,etc against the monsters who rape and kill
children. they want the worst possible punishment so maybe it will stop some of them. I thanked the posts about the footlong, but actually I'd rather see him hung on the town square.
p.s. a rape victim is innocent. A rapist is not innocent, so your analogy is not entirely correct. Because it seems like you're saying, "If a rapist deserves to be raped then a rape victim deserves to be raped."We can decide what may or may not be fair punishment for the perp, but the idea that the victim is even considered for a punishment is null.
 
  • #402
true.hooooowever, people want to see justice, vengeance,etc against the monsters who rape and kill
children. they want the worst possible punishment so maybe it will stop some of them. I thanked the posts about the footlong, but actually I'd rather see him hung on the town square.
p.s. a rape victim is innocent. A rapist is not innocent, so your analogy is not entirely correct. Because it seems like you're saying, "If a rapist deserves to be raped then a rape victim deserves to be raped."We can decide what may or may not be fair punishment for the perp, but the idea that the victim is even considered for a punishment is null.
Do we really think prison rape is a deterrent? Really?

And if prison rape is the deterrent, as a society are we really okay with that?
I understand the vengeful feelings. My son's bio father killed him. I hate him. I get it. I also had opportunity to put my stamp of approval on some vengeful prison justice. I didn't. I like my conscience intact and felt being complicit was unnecessary and more harmful to me than anyone else.

I won't say it wasn't tempting. And I sure didn't request him protection, either. Just IMO, but I think prison will treat Jared just fine with or without our best wishes.


Eta: no, my ex didn't get killed in prison. I have no idea what happened except he served his sentence and walks free today.
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  • #403
The logic perpetuated by ongoing ease with prison rape is that certain bad people in particular bad settings either deserve sexual assault or do not deserve protection from it. That prison simply is a site where rape occurs is given as a deterrent and, in the event that an offender is not deterred, implied to be what they had coming all along. But the notion that prisoners who are raped should have behaved better to be less deserving is the apotheosis of the “asking for it” or “had it coming” arguments so commonly employed to dismiss victims of rape in the free population.

FROM http://www.thenation.com/article/why-americans-dont-care-about-prison-rape/

But prison rape is no joke—and it happens all the time. A recent report by the Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated that nearly 1 in 10 inmates in America had been sexually assaulted in custody. That’s out of a prison population of 2.3 million. You do the math.

From http://www.takepart.com/article/2012/05/25/epidemic-prison-rape


And more on topic

Subway has turned its back on former pitchman Jared Fogle, who is headed to jail for sex with an underage girl — and now his high school has, too.

FROM http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jared-fogle-out-picture-after-school-yanks-alumni-photo-n413211



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  • #404
Do we really think prison rape is a deterrent? Really?

And if prison rape is the deterrent, as a society are we really okay with that?
I understand the vengeful feelings. My son's bio father killed him. I hate him. I get it. I also had opportunity to put my stamp of approval on some vengeful prison justice. I didn't. I like my conscience intact and felt being complicit was unnecessary and more harmful to me than anyone else.

I won't say it wasn't tempting. And I sure didn't request him protection, either. Just IMO, but I think prison will treat Jared just fine with or without our best wishes.


Eta: no, my ex didn't get killed in prison. I have no idea what happened except he served his sentence and walks free today.
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Flourish! Honey pie! EMPTY YOUR INBOX! xoxoxo
 
  • #405
BBM - the definition of a pedophile is being sexually attracted to a child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Pedofilia

I know, I opposed to calling him a pedophile for having had sex with a 16 year old. Granted, his other interests seem to point out towards a marked preference towards very young teens, which I find sick. He obviously has issues that go beyond a healthy attraction towards young and fertile members of the opposite gender.
 
  • #406
I know, I opposed to calling him a pedophile for having had sex with a 16 year old. Granted, his other interests seem to point out towards a marked preference towards very young teens, which I find sick. He obviously has issues that go beyond a healthy attraction towards young and fertile members of the opposite gender.

I guess I was thinking of this section in the news...
"In other cases, the documents said, Taylor allegedly obtained sexually explicit images taken by others outside the U.S., including videos of children around age 6, and shared them with Fogle."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/1...e-to-accept-plea-deal-on-kiddie-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges/
 
  • #407
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  • #408
I would imagine he will be imprisoned in one of the approx 10 federal prisons that have sex offender units. Since they try to put them in a prison geographically close to their residence I'd imagine he will eventually end up in OH or IL.
A close relative of mine was in protective/solitary for about 6 months until there was space for him at the prison closest to his family.

By family I'm not talking wife but parents.

In my situation this has put a rift in our family. We all get along but it's known that the topic is off limits because of those that refuse to believe he's guilty. I read all 700 plus pages of his trial and how someone can think him innocent makes me smh. But sometimes family refuses to see.
 
  • #409
true.hooooowever, people want to see justice, vengeance,etc against the monsters who rape and kill
children. they want the worst possible punishment so maybe it will stop some of them. I thanked the posts about the footlong, but actually I'd rather see him hung on the town square.
p.s. a rape victim is innocent. A rapist is not innocent, so your analogy is not entirely correct. Because it seems like you're saying, "If a rapist deserves to be raped then a rape victim deserves to be raped."We can decide what may or may not be fair punishment for the perp, but the idea that the victim is even considered for a punishment is null.

BBM for focus.

On the contrary, I was saying no one deserves to be raped. Not the innocent rape victim, not the convicted rapist in prison.
 
  • #410
Do we really think prison rape is a deterrent? Really?

And if prison rape is the deterrent, as a society are we really okay with that?
I understand the vengeful feelings. My son's bio father killed him. I hate him. I get it. I also had opportunity to put my stamp of approval on some vengeful prison justice. I didn't. I like my conscience intact and felt being complicit was unnecessary and more harmful to me than anyone else.

I won't say it wasn't tempting. And I sure didn't request him protection, either. Just IMO, but I think prison will treat Jared just fine with or without our best wishes.


Eta: no, my ex didn't get killed in prison. I have no idea what happened except he served his sentence and walks free today.
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Oh Flourish. I have no words. Except I am sorry for your pain. :(
 
  • #411
In my opinion, people are not expressing themselves in a very clear manner. But take away our personal feelings and put aside to how we are reacting, look at the facts.

There are laws in the US protecting minors from crimes of which he is being charged with. Within those laws is the range of ages that the government deemed to fall under the minor category. Starting from the oldest minor to the youngest minor, it's the same law.

This individual chose deliberately to break the law that protects minors from sexual predators. Whether it was with a 17 yr. old or a 6 yrs. old, the law considers them as minors and protected.

Not only did he chose to partake in his crimes. He admitted guilt to them so there you have it....

This individual wore a mask that fooled many people until the face was exposed. We can be thankful that someone did the right thing and helped put an end to it.

So to me, the masked face is history. End the story, the party's over, close the cell and get lost.

Where our real focus should be is how do we stop people like him? What are the signs of one? How are they getting away with it? Even once is a crime...let alone twice and even longer, it's the same crime committed. Stopping this behavior will be rough but piece by piece exposing it for what it is can help over time. The future is there...it's now to start changing it for the better of our children.

Just like many said about Jodi Arias...it's time for him to go away into the prison system of justice and out of our lives so we can concentrate on other people and events that do/did matter.
 
  • #412
For those of you delighting in the fact that Mr. Fogle may be assaulted while in prison, I am sorry to disappoint, but FCI minimum security facilities are very humane places. There will be no brutalization of any kind while he is housed in one of them.
 
  • #413
BBM for focus.

On the contrary, I was saying no one deserves to be raped. Not the innocent rape victim, not the convicted rapist in prison.

As I said, I might have thanked the footlong posts but what I would prefer to happen to him is to be hung in the town square.

I understand what you're saying, absolutely. No one
"deserves" to be raped. No one should wish someone else to be raped.

That being said, being raped in prison IS NOT like being an innocent rape victim, especially a small child!!
and especially if someone got to prison because they raped/killed/torturedf a child! Come on now!

Children, innocent, helpless children, who look to adults to take care of them. As Schmae has asked, how many of the missing/presumed dead children were part of this 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 ring?

Being in prison is positively NOT a deterrent to child rape. When they get out, when they escalate, they
often kill the next victim so as not to go back to prison.
And I think that is probably at the root of all the
bad wishes these monsters get on this site.

Here at this site, too many bad things have been revealed that have been done to innocent children. It does warp the mind a little.

So, in essence, I am saying theoretically, you're correct about compassion for perverted monsters. But using that same compassion, I'm forgiving those who feel vengeful, I understand their vengeance comes from
compassion for the tiny victims, and I would like to see Jared and his evil friend executed swiftly and painlessly
on the picturesque Zionsville town square.
That to me would be compassionate, and more than they deserve, IMO.
 
  • #414
State Police said their investigation started after getting a tip from a concerned citizen, who got a text message from Taylor.

http://fox59.com/2015/04/29/executi...dation-arrested-on-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges/

A woman approached police after exchanging sexual texts with Taylor and his wife, according to the documents. The texts included offers to send pornographic material to the woman including some child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and some bestiality, court documents state. The woman alleges Taylor had asked if he could engage in sexual activity with her horse.

http://wishtv.com/2015/07/07/former...tact-after-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges-family-alleges/


bbm
 
  • #415
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/subway-jared-fogle-informant-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-allegations/
A woman secretly recorded Jared over 4 years!
 
  • #416
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/subway-jared-fogle-informant-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-allegations/
A woman secretly recorded Jared over 4 years!

Whoa...... ''"He talked about sex with underage children," she said. "It was just something that he really, really enjoyed," she said."
''"I had two young children at the time, and he talked to me about installing hidden cameras in their rooms and asked me if I would choose which child I would like him to watch," she said.''
 
  • #417
For those of you delighting in the fact that Mr. Fogle may be assaulted while in prison, I am sorry to disappoint, but FCI minimum security facilities are very humane places. There will be no brutalization of any kind while he is housed in one of them.

I've personally never been in the camp that wishes rape upon rapists. That being said, I'm pretty certain if I heard a child rapist were raped himself in prison, that I would not be able to muster up empathy. But that's straight across the board for pretty much all evil people who do hideous inhuman things to other people. I can muster up exactly zero empathy for people that act so inhumanely themselves. So inhuman...

As for Jared, if he never gets to see his children again, and it hurts him deeply....no sympathy from me. I just can't. I feel badly for the children that they drew the short straw and were fathered by a depraved human, but I think their odds on having a healthy happy childhood without their bio father in their lives as very good.
 
  • #418
State Police said their investigation started after getting a tip from a concerned citizen, who got a text message from Taylor.

http://fox59.com/2015/04/29/executi...dation-arrested-on-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges/

A woman approached police after exchanging sexual texts with Taylor and his wife, according to the documents. The texts included offers to send pornographic material to the woman including some child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 and some bestiality, court documents state. The woman alleges Taylor had asked if he could engage in sexual activity with her horse.

http://wishtv.com/2015/07/07/former...tact-after-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges-family-alleges/


bbm

What's happening with his Taylor's wife? These pervs of a feather all seem to flock together. Can't tell me she's totes into sexing up horses with the hubby and exchanging child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 with friends, but blissfully unaware of that their own children were child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 stars in their own home.

UGH!
 
  • #419
I've personally never been in the camp that wishes rape upon rapists. That being said, I'm pretty certain if I heard a child rapist were raped himself in prison, that I would not be able to muster up empathy. But that's straight across the board for pretty much all evil people who do hideous inhuman things to other people. I can muster up exactly zero empathy for people that act so inhumanely themselves. So inhuman...

As for Jared, if he never gets to see his children again, and it hurts him deeply....no sympathy from me. I just can't. I feel badly for the children that they drew the short straw and were fathered by a depraved human, but I think their odds on having a healthy happy childhood without their bio father in their lives as very good.

The kids have dodged a literal bullet and if his biz partner filmed his own kids, one can only guess that Fogle was waiting the time ( or possibly already :( ) when he would use his own kids for this sickness. I pray and hope his soon to be x wife can find a good life for her and the kids and I pray the media does not ever track, follow or look her up . We don't need to know what becomes of them. They are not victims of their sick father's ( presumably) and that is good enough to know.
 
  • #420
Whoa...... ''"He talked about sex with underage children," she said. "It was just something that he really, really enjoyed," she said."
''"I had two young children at the time, and he talked to me about installing hidden cameras in their rooms and asked me if I would choose which child I would like him to watch," she said.''


Ew ew ew ew. Shudder, skeevy. I feel like I need a shower just listening to the latest interview with Rochelle Herman.
 

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