IN - Subway's Jared Fogle - plea deal in federal child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 case, 2015

[Inthedetails]

Whoa...... ''"He talked about sex with underage children," she said. "It was just something that he really, really enjoyed," she said."
''"I had two young children at the time, and he talked to me about installing hidden cameras in their rooms and asked me if I would choose which child I would like him to watch," she said.''

I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID YESTERDAY. Let me pause for a moment while I wash my mouth out with soap...

Yesterday I speculated that he himself liked teens and only had images of younger kids to share or sell with others (not that that is okay - it's not!!) I TAKE IT BACK!! He's more vile than vile.

 

[Elley Mae]

Correct me if I am wrong.

It appears that the victims in this case, (14)? will be sharing 14 million, 100,000 each. Of the fourteen victims there are 2 under age females (paid child prostitutes) that he had sex with in ny, that leaves 12. I am assuming at this point that the 12 are (younger ones) that were video taped in the home? with the cameras hidden in objects to tape them, boys and girls undressing and bathing. Am I wrong to think that no one was raped?

 

[Elley Mae]

Unless i am looking in the wrong place there is no indictment on taylor at this time, weird no?



If indicted and found guilty, Taylor will potentially face similar prison time. More will be learned about Taylor's specific charges and possible sentencing once the prosecution presents their finding to a Grand Jury in September.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/1053...r-is-facing-charges-connected-to-jared-fogles

 

[SCHMAE]

Correct me if I am wrong.

It appears that the victims in this case, (14)? will be sharing 14 million, 100,000 each. Of the fourteen victims there are 2 under age females (paid child prostitutes) that he had sex with in ny, that leaves 12. I am assuming at this point that the 12 are (younger ones) that were video taped in the home? with the cameras hidden in objects to tape them, boys and girls undressing and bathing. Am I wrong to think that no one was raped?

WAIT !OMG ! If he knows who the victims are to pay them 100k each, then why the hell are they still victims? What is up with that ? I mean, aren't most kids on kids that no one knows who they are ? So , are we to assume ALL of the on fogle and his partners computers were taken by friends, family, coworkers' children? They made all the themselves , so they know who all the victims are ? And if Fogle went to hotels in NYC to meet up with child prostitutes, does he know who they are to pay them? And if so , how the he** did these kids become child prostitutes? I mean....am I making sense? I assumed, naively so maybe, that if you meet up with a child prostitue, then that child is a sex slave owned by someone and that you could not look them up and say 'hey here's a 100k , sorry for the trouble '' because their owner? would not allow you access to them. So, if he knows all of his victims and their locations to give them money, then they are clearly not owned or kidnapped from their parents? Unless their parents were the ones selling them? In which case, there need to be more charges against those parents.

Sorry for the rambling. Please someone tell me, you understand my point.

 

[atthelake]

WAIT !OMG ! If he knows who the victims are to pay them 100k each, then why the hell are they still victims? What is up with that ? I mean, aren't most kids on kids that no one knows who they are ? So , are we to assume ALL of the on fogle and his partners computers were taken by friends, family, coworkers' children? They made all the themselves , so they know who all the victims are ? And if Fogle went to hotels in NYC to meet up with child prostitutes, does he know who they are to pay them? And if so , how the he** did these kids become child prostitutes? I mean....am I making sense? I assumed, naively so maybe, that if you meet up with a child prostitue, then that child is a sex slave owned by someone and that you could not look them up and say 'hey here's a 100k , sorry for the trouble '' because their owner? would not allow you access to them. So, if he knows all of his victims and their locations to give them money, then they are clearly not owned or kidnapped from their parents? Unless their parents were the ones selling them? In which case, there need to be more charges against those parents.

Sorry for the rambling. Please someone tell me, you understand my point.

I think I understand your point. Sometimes in court cases.iirc , my knees ( lol tapatalk ...I said monies you silly phone ) are given to victims without knowing who they are. Jane doe #1 #2 etc.

He has to pay and have open against him a court ruling without knowing who the person is in case they come forward in the future?

Perhaps in some escrow account? I don't know ..

legal input from Gitana or somebody agree may be helpful

 

[SCHMAE]

I think I understand your point. Sometimes in court cases.iirc , my knees ( lol tapatalk ...I said monies you silly phone ) are given to victims without knowing who they are. Jane doe #1 #2 etc.

He has to pay and have open against him a court ruling without knowing who the person is in case they come forward in the future?

Perhaps in some escrow account? I don't know ..

legal input from Gitana or somebody agree may be helpful

Maybe but it seems from the very sure wording of giving each victim 100k, that he knows who they all are. My point is if a child prostitute's identity is KNOWN, surely she's been rescued now and is safe, right?

 

[Madeleine74]

So , are we to assume ALL of the on fogle and his partners computers were taken by friends, family, coworkers' children? They made all the themselves , so they know who all the victims are ?

I don't think we should assume anything unless it's written in a an article in a major (vetted) publication.

 

[CD82]

Whoa...... ''"He talked about sex with underage children," she said. "It was just something that he really, really enjoyed," she said."
''"I had two young children at the time, and he talked to me about installing hidden cameras in their rooms and asked me if I would choose which child I would like him to watch," she said.''

Just curious, but what were her replies to these questions?! What could have made him continue to talk about this stuff with her!

 

[Elley Mae]

typed from page 3 of the indictment.

12. "Minor Victim 1" through "Minor Victim 12" did not know they were being secretly filmed in taylor's current and former residence.

https://tribwttv.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/fogle-court-documents.pdf

typed from page 8 of the indictment

30. "Minor Victim 13" and "Minor Victim 14" were girls under the age of 18 engaged in the commercial sex trafficking through an Internet website containing advertisements for erotic services.

 

[SCHMAE]

Just curious, but what were her replies to these questions?! What could have made him continue to talk about this stuff with her!

I would just guess that she pretended one day she may let him film her kids, so he kept on pursuing that. **speculative**

 

[buffetoflies]

ugh this has been mentioned in this thread a couple times, but I'm in the boat with those who think JF was molested as a young child and possibly gained so much weight so he wouldn't be 'attractive' for more abuse. Even though it's bad it feels good. How confusing for a child.

As for the rape in prison thing, I read this article the other day: http://www.startribune.com/sexual-assault-survivors-break-their-silence/322237501/

Ben's story was very upsetting (prison rape). It doesn't say what crime landed him there... but whatever it was he didn't deserve to be gang raped.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I find the bolded in red statements extremely disturbing, especially in the context of this thread, discussing child sexual predator victims.

A nine year old may be menstruating by fluke of her family's genetics or a pituitary anomaly. It is not 'instinct' to be sexually mature before you are fully physically mature, not to mention emotionally. She still will not be fully grown to adult height at age 9, and will not have lost all her baby teeth or gained all her adult teeth. Menarche and breast development are not interconnected; a girl can be having her first period, but has not started yet to develop her breasts. Her first period and full beast development could be 6 years apart. She may have begun growing sparse pubic hair, but will not have full growth until she is 17 or 18. She may not start growing hair under her arms for 3 years after her first period. Her epiphysis may not fuse (ends bone growth in the long bones) until she is 16. She won't be fully physically an adult until all those things happen. But it's our advanced society is 'prolonging their childhood'? Biology determines the breadth of their childhood. A society or community determines whether it's appropriate to let the 30 year-old deviants of the village force themselves on 9 year olds who still haven't gotten their 12 year molars, have not reached full adult height, and may be 5 years from reaching full breast development.

Our culture is keeping them infantile? Seriously?

Early civilization was barbaric. Millions of years of evolution has occurred. Evolution, your word, means change, biologically, to survive as the environment around one changes. It's silly to think "100 years can't undo 2 million years of evolution?" No disrespect, but it's 'silly' to think that sentence makes sense. Evolution is change. We've been doing it since the dawn of time. Even our DNA manages to do it.

Biologically normal men who are not afflicted with pedophilia could not even muster an erection at the thought of sex with, or sight of a naked 9 year old who just gotten her first period. Most would be nauseated. Most would feel the same about a 14 year old. In societies where being aroused by, and impregnating a 9 year old is common, it is perpetuated and celebrated by their culture and/or their religion. The males are humans, the master, the females are a receptacle for lust, a piece of property, chattel. This is not DNA. It's culture.

Was it programmed in human DNA to be instinctual to enslave other humans as if they were animals? All cultures have done it since the dawn of time. Slavery is instinct! Rape has existed since the dawn of time. Must be instinct. Even today, all men have it programmed on their DNA to rape? They're all just behaving because of our infantilizing, woman coddling society?

Can you outline what part of the male DNA strand, from the dawn of time and until now, resides the marker for all adult males to sexually respond with arousal to the thought, or sight, of any owners of bleeding orifices, no matter the chronological age of the orifice owner, or the stages of all the other parts of their physical and emotional maturity?

That one of your friends got married at 14 to a 28 year old man, and 'nobody bat an eyelid' speaks only to the culture of your countryside friends, and perhaps you. Behaviors, choices, acceptance of behaviors by the community are not proof of current evolved biological instinct. Biological instinct is an excuse people use to explain why they are behaving in a way that was only sociologically acceptable prior to our evolution into a civilized society. A civilized society which finds most 28 year old males actually seeing 14 year old girls as nothing more than they are. Still children.

The thanks button wasn't enough!

 

[HastingsChi]

Just watched the unedited 10 minute interview that alleged FBI informant Rochelle Herman did with WWSB about Fogle; it is definitely worth watching.

Her efforts to repeatedly alert authorities and her work to document evidence against Fogel are shockingly similar to Ian Watkin's former girlfriend Joanne Mjadzelics work to document Watkins depravity against children after police did nothing each time she went to them.

 

[Magdalyn]

I would just guess that she pretended one day she may let him film her kids, so he kept on pursuing that. **speculative**

If she reported the initially creepiness, FBI may have encouraged her to keep up the conversation. **also speculative**

 

[HastingsChi]

State Police said their investigation started after getting a tip from a concerned citizen, who got a text message from Taylor.

http://fox59.com/2015/04/29/executi...dation-arrested-on-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges/

A woman approached police after exchanging sexual texts with Taylor and his wife, according to the documents. The texts included offers to send pornographic material to the woman including some child and some bestiality, court documents state. The woman alleges Taylor had asked if he could engage in sexual activity with her horse.

http://wishtv.com/2015/07/07/former...tact-after-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges-family-alleges/


bbm

I still am perplexed after reading the affidavit in the Russell Taylor case as to why the woman has not been investigated for beastiality and other things as the affidavit clearly documents the numerous lies she told to police. That lady seems super sketchy; unlike Rochelle Herman who I only have praise for.

 

[HastingsChi]

If she reported the initially creepiness, FBI may have encouraged her to keep up the conversation. **also speculative**

I tend to agree; in the interview I linked to in the post above yours she essentially said that she had to play a role to put together enough documentation against Fogle after police initially did nothing when she initially reported her concerns to them.

 

[HastingsChi]

I thought that Fogle was to turn himself in to authorities today; am I wrong about that?

 

[Magdalyn]

Unless i am looking in the wrong place there is no indictment on taylor at this time, weird no?



If indicted and found guilty, Taylor will potentially face similar prison time. More will be learned about Taylor's specific charges and possible sentencing once the prosecution presents their finding to a Grand Jury in September.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/1053...r-is-facing-charges-connected-to-jared-fogles

I think they were holding off on his indictment until everything was squared away with Jared. I think it had to do with the interconnectedness of the two cases. Taylor's lawyer was fine with the delay.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ght-jared-fogle-russell-taylor-case/30936257/

The motion said Taylor’s attorney does not oppose the delay. It also said “the parties are engaged in discussing several issues regarding this case and the government believes both parties would benefit from additional time to continue these discussions prior to indictment.”

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am so tired of people turning out to be the worst of the worst.
I will still hopefully believe in the best in the world but this guy apparently is not one.

I hate being wrong.. I hate it but again.. Here I am in wrongville.

Craptastic.

I cannot believe they made a deal with him. Gah. Throw the book at him.

 

[Magdalyn]

WAIT !OMG ! If he knows who the victims are to pay them 100k each, then why the hell are they still victims? What is up with that ? I mean, aren't most kids on kids that no one knows who they are ? So , are we to assume ALL of the on fogle and his partners computers were taken by friends, family, coworkers' children? They made all the themselves , so they know who all the victims are ? And if Fogle went to hotels in NYC to meet up with child prostitutes, does he know who they are to pay them? And if so , how the he** did these kids become child prostitutes? I mean....am I making sense? I assumed, naively so maybe, that if you meet up with a child prostitue, then that child is a sex slave owned by someone and that you could not look them up and say 'hey here's a 100k , sorry for the trouble '' because their owner? would not allow you access to them. So, if he knows all of his victims and their locations to give them money, then they are clearly not owned or kidnapped from their parents? Unless their parents were the ones selling them? In which case, there need to be more charges against those parents.

Sorry for the rambling. Please someone tell me, you understand my point.

Minor victim 1 through minor victim 12 were 12 minors who were secretly recorded in Russell Taylor's home conducting sexually explicit acts on each other. (wonder who encouraged/taught this?) I believe he and his wife have 4 or five children of their own who were in some of the images. I'd assume some of the victims are their children. Jared knew some of the kids personally, some he met at events, some he knew their association with Taylor. In some discussions, Fogle mentioned approving of these activities, and mentioned some kids by name.

Some of the child provided to Fogle by Taylor, was commercially produced, victims unknown. That would be the child pictures and videos of unknown victims as young as six years old.

The last two victims appear to be minor (child) prostitutes, whom he paid to have sex with, and whom he asked to find younger for him, as young as 14.

So Russell knew all victims 1-12. Jared knew some of the 12, met some of the 12, and knew who the rest were in conjunction with Taylor. Unclear if Taylor knew victims 13-14.

But not all the child on the computers, thumb drives, etc, was of victims 1-12. There was commercially produced stuff that the FBI has seen before in other investigations, it was produced outside the US, those victims still remain unidentified.

Is that what you were asking?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/275187233/Fogle-indictment#scribd