IN - Subway's Jared Fogle - plea deal in federal child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 case, 2015

[seattlechiquita]

and of course John Walsh is hoping -as am I- that the judge grabs the deal and cleans his behind with it, throwing the book at Jared and his buddy. I LOVE JOHN WALSH.

 

[luvhockey]

So the informant wore an FBI wire for conversations with JF for 4 years? How many children were molested during that time? Why did it take so long to raid his home and charge him? Sickened that it took that long.

 

[Paulas88]

Informant's interview with Anderson Cooper and John Walsh.

[video=youtube;VPHPslrqq0Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPHPslrqq0Q[/video]

The journalist has been recording conversations with JF for some time, so it seems that they got to Taylor by first investigating Fogel.

I rember on the presser a few days ago, it was stated that once Taylor
was busted, JF must have know they were coming for him.

I hope there'll be other arrests connected to this. There's got to be more freaks involved.

 

[seattlechiquita]

So the informant wore an FBI wire for conversations with JF for 4 years? How many children were molested during that time? Why did it take so long to raid his home and charge him? Sickened that it took that long.

this concerns me also. I understand the need for a thorough investigation, but 4 years? Oy.

 

[MamaJoJo]

So the informant wore an FBI wire for conversations with JF for 4 years? How many children were molested during that time? Why did it take so long to raid his home and charge him? Sickened that it took that long.

I had the same reaction! Four years? How many untold victims?! Ugh!!

 

[Madeleine74]

Well JF had sex with 2 girls under 18 (for money) that we know about. That's part of the charges. And there were other victims in which he viewed pictures and video over some time period that he acquired from the other guy who's been charged. So there are additional charges of possession and distribution from his computer. He wanted to sleep with more girls and younger than 16, but whether he did or not, I don't know.

 

[Madeleine74]

The definition of a pedophile is someone who is attracted to young (pre-pubescent) children. Being attracted to a 16 or 15 yr old is not considered pedophilia, but it is of course illegal for someone over the age of 18 to engage in sexual conduct with someone under 18 or possess in which minors are involved in any way.

I think of all those rock bands who probably slept their way through hundreds of teen girls (16 - 18yrs old and maybe younger) over the years. Rolling Stones, all the big ones over several decades. Doesn't make it right, but I bet it was common.

 

[Madeleine74]

Also, back in the caveman days, humans only lived to maybe age 25 or so. That was their old age! So the biology of procreating as soon as sexually mature was indeed real and necessary for survival of the species. There was no judgment about it, it's how it was.

Go back a few hundred years and young women/girls 15/16/17 were married off. Again lifespans were maybe up to 40 or so, and girls could only gain wealth and land through marriage.

What's changed is our lifespan, which now has the averages up in the low 80's, and the ability to procreate later in life, and religious dogma, and organized society and the introduction of laws.

What hasn't changed is the biological component of being attracted to young, sexually viable mates. A 16 yr old who fills out a bikini is going to get the attention of normal hetero males, regardless of their age. It's biology. But acting on those impulses will land them in jail--societal laws.

 

[Magdalyn]

What hasn't changed is the biological component of being attracted to young, sexually viable mates. A 16 yr old who fills out a bikini is going to get the attention of normal hetero males, regardless of their age. It's biology. But acting on those impulses will land them in jail--societal laws.

RSBM:

Actually, you are describing a psychological theory. Not a proven scientific one. It is in the vein of Freudian theory:

Freud’s theory of drives evolved throughout his life and work. He initially described a class of drives known as the life instincts and believed that these drives were responsible for much of behavior. Eventually, he came to believe that these life instincts alone could not explain all human behavior. Freud determined that all instincts fall into one of two major classes: the life instincts or the death instincts.

http://psychology.about.com/od/sigmundfreud/a/instincts.htm

Freud determined. In his theory. To which not all subscribe.

Theories about Sexuality

A theory is a particular set of principles, assumptions, or explanations designed to make sense of observations of the world. It also can be defined as a set of perspectives and worldviews, which means different cultures often embrace different theories. A theory in the social sciences is not a "proven fact," such as a theory in chemistry or zoology.

https://services.online.missouri.edu/exec/data/courses/2393/public/lesson01/lesson01.aspx

 

[BUF]

There may be some other information in this article...I don't remember reading some of it...like about another informant, creepy Taylor, Subway's reaction to both.

http://www.cleveland.com/darcy/index.ssf/2015/08/jared_becomes_subways_marketin.html

 

[Magdalyn]

There may be some other information in this article...I don't remember reading some of it...like about another informant, creepy Taylor, Subway's reaction to both.

http://www.cleveland.com/darcy/index.ssf/2015/08/jared_becomes_subways_marketin.html

Not done reading it yet but just wanted to point out:

Federal prosecutors agreed to ask for a sentence of no more than 12 years. But the Judge can sentence him up to 50 years if he feels it's appropriate.

Dear Lord, please let the judge feel 50 years is appropriate.

Another one of those tipsters is a former franchisee who once had a sexual relationship with Fogle. The woman told Business Insider she ended the relationship and tipped off the FBI when he sought to have a sexual encounter with her and her underage relative.

Just.....ugh.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Remember when Fogle was shocked, SHOCKED at the charges against Taylor?

I thought then, yeah right.

I bet all those people I read about (no one on this forum that I recall) who were going to boycott Subway because Fogle was "innocent until proven guilty" are feeling pretty stupid right now. As they should.

Heck, I've boycotted Subway for years because I find their food revolting.

But anyway. Someone posted upthread that they thought Subway would be fine without Fogle.

This shows a different outlook:

http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2015/08/19/subway-trouble-before-jared-mess/32023501/

 

[Magdalyn]

There may be some other information in this article...I don't remember reading some of it...like about another informant, creepy Taylor, Subway's reaction to both.

http://www.cleveland.com/darcy/index.ssf/2015/08/jared_becomes_subways_marketin.html

If Josh Duggar applies for Fogle's old job, let's hope Subway does a background check.

Reporter's attempt at a joke at the tail end of an article about Jared sexual victimizing children seems to be out of place.

Not to mention, what does he think a background check entails? Does he think Jared was a registered sex offender before this? Or that background checks entail the FBI confiscating and analyzing your computer, thumb drives and phone?

I know, I know, it was just a joke. But really? A joke?

 

[bluesneakers]

Remember when Fogle was shocked, SHOCKED at the charges against Taylor?

I thought then, yeah right.

I bet all those people I read about (no one on this forum that I recall) who were going to boycott Subway because Fogle was "innocent until proven guilty" are feeling pretty stupid right now. As they should.

Heck, I've boycotted Subway for years because I find their food revolting.

But anyway. Someone posted upthread that they thought Subway would be fine without Fogle.

This shows a different outlook:

http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2015/08/19/subway-trouble-before-jared-mess/32023501/

Their food is awful, especially their bread, but I've mostly boycotted them because I can't resist those damn White Chip Macadamia Nut cookies.

I wonder if Jared felt smug back then, thinking his partner was taking the fall and he was going to get away with everything.

 

[LinasK]

Remember when Fogle was shocked, SHOCKED at the charges against Taylor?

I thought then, yeah right.

I bet all those people I read about (no one on this forum that I recall) who were going to boycott Subway because Fogle was "innocent until proven guilty" are feeling pretty stupid right now. As they should.

Heck, I've boycotted Subway for years because I find their food revolting.

But anyway. Someone posted upthread that they thought Subway would be fine without Fogle.

This shows a different outlook:

http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2015/08/19/subway-trouble-before-jared-mess/32023501/

I like their Meatball Subs and their Oven Roasted Chicken ones, I get the Italian Herb and Cheese bread. I think they should have done a better job of vetting him, but I don't think they hired him knowingly that he was into child . Look how fast they cut ties with him. I will continue to patronize Subway.
Starbucks has much better sandwiches, but they are also alot more expensive. If I'm looking to buy a sandwich, I usually don't head to Starbucks first, but I'll buy one if I'm going there for coffee. I will never set foot in a Chick-Fil-A, so they don't have to worry about losing my business to them.

 

[atthelake]

Remember when Fogle was shocked, SHOCKED at the charges against Taylor?

I thought then, yeah right.

I bet all those people I read about (no one on this forum that I recall) who were going to boycott Subway because Fogle was "innocent until proven guilty" are feeling pretty stupid right now. As they should.

Heck, I've boycotted Subway for years because I find their food revolting.

But anyway. Someone posted upthread that they thought Subway would be fine without Fogle.

This shows a different outlook:

http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2015/08/19/subway-trouble-before-jared-mess/32023501/

Yeah ... I don't follow reality TV but my sister does and she loved loved loved the Duggar family show. Sorry o/t but sorta blends in .. She did not believe anything about Josh and we had many discussions .. until the Ashley Madison thing came out day before yesterday.

Tipping point it's different for everyone iykwim . And I like it here how we usually respect each other's tipping point.

:seeya:

ETA this post prompted a thought from the original poster... but not necessarily in response to the original poster. :daisy:

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I like their Meatball Subs and their Oven Roasted Chicken ones, I get the Italian Herb and Cheese bread. I think they should have done a better job of vetting him, but I don't think they hired him knowingly that he was into child . Look how fast they cut ties with him. I will continue to patronize Subway.

BBM for focus

They may not have hired him knowing he was into child , but IMO they cut ties with him only after the story became public. According to info in the link posted above, they did nothing after receiving tips about him.

Both of the FBI informants who have come forward said they had also notified Subway management without any action being taken. The attorney for the franchisee said she had met with "two levels of management" at Subway's offices, providing them incriminating text messages dating back to 2008. She claims management said they could take no action because Fogle wasn't an employee. Yet he was earning millions of dollars as the spokesman for the chain.

The former Florida journalist said she complained to Subway via their website and got no response.

http://www.cleveland.com/darcy/index.ssf/2015/08/jared_becomes_subways_marketin.html

 

[Paulas88]

Team that raided Fogle's home used a moble lab.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/indiana-team-raided-fogles-home-mobile-laboratory-33248166

 

[beach]

Admin Note:

Just spent 30 minutes cleaning up in here.

Jared Fogle was charged and pled guilty in a U.S. Court in accordance to U.S. laws and legal definitions. Do not drift so far off topic as to compare to other cultures. The practices of other cultures is in no way relevant to Jared Fogle matter. Please don't veer that far off topic.

Thanks!

 

[Madeleine74]

RSBM:

Actually, you are describing a psychological theory. Not a proven scientific one. It is in the vein of Freudian theory

Nope I wasn't. I was using archaeology and scientific models of how long early man lived, which was, on average, 25 years. It's biology, not psychology. The age of sexual maturity (I'm not talking psychological maturity) hasn't changed all that much in the last 40,000 years, with sexual maturation occurring between 12 to 14, on average. Again, that's not psychology, that's biology. Survival of the species was dependent upon early maturation to produce offspring that could survive.

Fast forward to 2015. Laws recognize, define, and protect those under a specific age in which there can't be legal consent. Laws don't change biology, it puts rules in place that are not tied to biology. And those rules are important and upheld.

Is JF a pedophile? If he's attracted to pre-pubsescent girls, then by definition he is a pedophile. If he's attracted to post-pubescent females, then by definition, he's not considered a pedophile. But by acting out on his attraction to females under 18, that makes him a sex offender, by law, and by owning and distributing child where the subjects are under 18, that just piles on more.

He might only get 12 years in prison, but he's torpedoed the rest of his life, that's for sure, along with ruining his family. He'll be a registered sex offender and a famous one at that.