IN - Terry and Darleen Anderson Murder, Mungo, 22 Oct 2005 - #2

[Rosco]

I too find that very disturbing. I can't really recall 'A' being into death and vampires.. BUT my DH reminded me a few years back (before the murders) when 'A' might have been still in high-school.. she was in the 'goth' stage. Some of her pic's on the myspace are from that era... Not many of her pic's are recent.. She's 23yrs old.. MOST of those pic's are when she was in her late teen's or early-early 20's. Not like 'death' but more into the dressing and makeup. Maybe she was into this 'goth' more than I thought..

There is a person on her friends that has recent pic's of her and Dad's place. They were all having a good ol' time back in Jan 2008 - a few weeks before the house was raided..
http://www.myspace.com/sweetcopperpenny

all look very very 'high' in the pic's.

I recall 'A' telling me about a year before the murders that she was wanting to go into school for forensics' .... We all watched Court-TV...and all the reality shows even before the murders.... So does not surprise me 'no evidence' at the crime scene.. I VIVIDLY recall us talking about it...

always-
Rosco...

Another thing that is kind of disturbing to me - The number of people that "A" seems to associate with that have a fascination with death, vampires, etc.,

I was browsing her friends list recently and one person seems to have an obcession with murder and killing.....

 

[Dark Knight]

I too find that very disturbing. I can't really recall 'A' being into death and vampires.. BUT my DH reminded me a few years back (before the murders) when 'A' might have been still in high-school.. she was in the 'goth' stage. Some of her pic's on the myspace are from that era... Not many of her pic's are recent.. She's 23yrs old.. MOST of those pic's are when she was in her late teen's or early-early 20's. Not like 'death' but more into the dressing and makeup. Maybe she was into this 'goth' more than I thought..

There is a person on her friends that has recent pic's of her and Dad's place. They were all having a good ol' time back in Jan 2008 - a few weeks before the house was raided..
http://www.myspace.com/sweetcopperpenny

all look very very 'high' in the pic's.

I recall 'A' telling me about a year before the murders that she was wanting to go into school for forensics' .... We all watched Court-TV...and all the reality shows even before the murders.... So does not surprise me 'no evidence' at the crime scene.. I VIVIDLY recall us talking about it...

always-
Rosco...

It noticed she has the same picture of her parents on her wall that are on the billboard and your avatar. THAT caught me way off guard. Unusual if she had anything to do with their murders. Hmmmm.....

ETA: She even posed in front of the pic several times. Looking at the decor, it looks like I would imagine Terry decorated it. If so, she didn't make any effort to remove memories of them, it seems.

Her bullet necklace was a nice touch. I realize they weren't shot, but still.

Who are the scary looking guys posing with guns in 2007? Is that the photo that got someone in trouble with LE?

I can see how pretty she was/is.

 

[Rosco]

It noticed she has the same picture of her parents on her wall that are on the billboard and your avatar. THAT caught me way off guard. Unusual if she had anything to do with their murders. Hmmmm.....

ETA: She even posed in front of the pic several times. Looking at the decor, it looks like I would imagine Terry decorated it. If so, she didn't make any effort to remove memories of them, it seems.

Her bullet necklace was a nice touch. I realize they weren't shot, but still.

Who are the scary looking guys posing with guns in 2007? Is that the photo that got someone in trouble with LE?

I can see how pretty she was/is.

Hey my Knight. How's everything? Hope UR doing well. :blowkiss:

The pic's w/guns - one is BW (her x-BF and father of baby Terri) and the other i have no idea. Scary looking pps tho! I think it was one of the pic's that might have led LE to search for guns... cuz XBF is a convicted felon.. can't have guns...

She 'was' a very pretty girl. MOST her pic's are at least 4-5 yrs old.
(( remember Dad and Darleen have been dead 3yrs now ))
There are very few pic's of her in the present time on HER myspace.

There is ONE recent pic and it was taken around christmas time 2007.. with her black hair. Does NOT look like her... she looks 20yrs older..

(( She looks my age:crazy: - but I was carded for beer the other day !!! :blowkiss: I wanted to kiss that cashier!!!! :blowkiss::blowkiss: ))

All my love DK!

Rosco

 

[Dark Knight]

Hey my Knight. How's everything? Hope UR doing well. :blowkiss:

The pic's w/guns - one is BW (her x-BF and father of baby Terri) and the other i have no idea. Scary looking pps tho! I think it was one of the pic's that might have led LE to search for guns... cuz XBF is a convicted felon.. can't have guns...

She 'was' a very pretty girl. MOST her pic's are at least 4-5 yrs old.
(( remember Dad and Darleen have been dead 3yrs now ))
There are very few pic's of her in the present time on HER myspace.

There is ONE recent pic and it was taken around christmas time 2007.. with her black hair. Does NOT look like her... she looks 20yrs older..

(( She looks my age:crazy: - but I was carded for beer the other day !!! :blowkiss: I wanted to kiss that cashier!!!! :blowkiss::blowkiss: ))

All my love DK!

Rosco

The photos, including the ones in the house in front of your dad's and Darlene's photo, where timestamped Jamuary 2008, so fairly recent to me, anyways.

 

[snowme]

I just started reading on this case a couple nights ago. Rosco - God bless you! I can only imagine the incredible strength it takes to endure what you have - it's admirable.

It all just seems, in hindsight at least, too obvious for there not to be justice coming soon for your family. I pray so.

 

[Rosco]

AWWWW... snowme.. :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

Welcome to WS. :crazy:
A whole bunch of great pps here!!!!:woohoo::woohoo:

U know - you would probably be surprised at your 'own' courage and strength when your FORCED to.

Family (#1) and DH help sooo much! DB is my faith...and DH is my soulmate... picks me up off the kitchen floor when i just can't take it anymore...

My DS is my life-line - cuz he keeps me in 'check'
I have to keep cool with him.!:blowkiss: he's just a little boy..

I'm telling you Ann Rule is going to have a field day with this book - once it's solved.. and it will be. I have already been in contact with Ann..and I know this would be a story!!!
What am i saying - IT IS A STORY.. just needs an ending...:bang:

I'll wait.... (( gosh...taken to long tho!!!!!!! ))

Justice HAS to come soon. Dad and Darleen DESERVE the RESPECT that 'A' never gave them -

AND DESERVE JUSTICE....!!!

Oh snowme... all I can say is - - - TICK TOCK...

All my love-
Rosco

I just started reading on this case a couple nights ago. Rosco - God bless you! I can only imagine the incredible strength it takes to endure what you have - it's admirable.

It all just seems, in hindsight at least, too obvious for there not to be justice coming soon for your family. I pray so.

 

[Dark Knight]

AWWWW... snowme.. :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

Welcome to WS. :crazy:
A whole bunch of great pps here!!!!:woohoo::woohoo:

U know - you would probably be surprised at your 'own' courage and strength when your FORCED to.

Family (#1) and DH help sooo much! DB is my faith...and DH is my soulmate... picks me up off the kitchen floor when i just can't take it anymore...

My DS is my life-line - cuz he keeps me in 'check'
I have to keep cool with him.!:blowkiss: he's just a little boy..

I'm telling you Ann Rule is going to have a field day with this book - once it's solved.. and it will be. I have already been in contact with Ann..and I know this would be a story!!!
What am i saying - IT IS A STORY.. just needs an ending...:bang:

I'll wait.... (( gosh...taken to long tho!!!!!!! ))

Justice HAS to come soon. Dad and Darleen DESERVE the RESPECT that 'A' never gave them -

AND DESERVE JUSTICE....!!!

Oh snowme... all I can say is - - - TICK TOCK...

All my love-
Rosco

Are you not surprised A has kept so many memories of her parents around as recently as this year? Only serial killer keep mementos of victims, usually, as those are not people that they know, let alone are related to. That stands out as extremely odd in a case such as this.

ETA: I'd love to hear other's opinions on this. Am I the only one that finds this unusual? Does it make anyone think maybe A's involvement was less than some suspect? Do we have any criminal psychologists on here?

 

[snowme]

Thank you for the welcome, Rosco, and I couldn't agree more - a whole lot of great people here.

In reading up at the topix thread I realized just how young your son is - I'll bet he's a comfort just looking at his precious young face! You know as I typed that it dawned on me how much love seems to be among all of your family, even if far away... it just is devastatingly sad what can take place when drugs and n'er-do-wells enter the picture!

Funny you mention Ann Rule - I've read all of her books. It would sadden me greatly to read her rendition of your family's story but she's a good writer and what's been done can't be undone. I'm sure with every page turned I'd be saying a small prayer for you & yours.

Justice will come, it will! :blowkiss:

AWWWW... snowme.. :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

Welcome to WS. :crazy:
A whole bunch of great pps here!!!!:woohoo::woohoo:

U know - you would probably be surprised at your 'own' courage and strength when your FORCED to.

Family (#1) and DH help sooo much! DB is my faith...and DH is my soulmate... picks me up off the kitchen floor when i just can't take it anymore...

My DS is my life-line - cuz he keeps me in 'check'
I have to keep cool with him.!:blowkiss: he's just a little boy..

I'm telling you Ann Rule is going to have a field day with this book - once it's solved.. and it will be. I have already been in contact with Ann..and I know this would be a story!!!
What am i saying - IT IS A STORY.. just needs an ending...:bang:

I'll wait.... (( gosh...taken to long tho!!!!!!! ))

Justice HAS to come soon. Dad and Darleen DESERVE the RESPECT that 'A' never gave them -

AND DESERVE JUSTICE....!!!

Oh snowme... all I can say is - - - TICK TOCK...

All my love-
Rosco

 

[snowme]

Hi Dark Knight - I'm not a criminal psycologist. I thought about the fact that there are so many reminders of A's parents left just as they seemingly were - in the house, on the walls, etc. I would think part of that is the "little girl in a hurry to be an adult".... she wanted many changes and things done to the house, and apparently did some of them but I'm guessing she didn't have the drive to do a complete revamp and overhaul in the decorating department. You know, she's young and has parties and life to attend to... That and either it settles in her mind that by keeping certain things the way they were that she did love her parents... or... soothes her ... or she's that callous.

I don't think it surprises me as much as it's a point of curiosity to me. For what it's worth I don't think "only" serial killers keep momentos of victims. It's just that that is a noted point about their m.o., it doesn't mean that someone who kills only once would not think to keep a momento in some way or of some kind depending on the circumstance.

Given the drug details and the types of people in the circle of friends I'd not be surprised if A was lesser involved (in that she herself did not do the very acts of killing her parents) but fully aware, fully in on it. But to me that is just as if she had hefted the weapon, at least in my mind it is.

Are you not surprised A has kept so many memories of her parents around as recently as this year? Only serial killer keep mementos of victims, usually, as those are not people that they know, let alone are related to. That stands out as extremely odd in a case such as this.

ETA: I'd love to hear other's opinions on this. Am I the only one that finds this unusual? Does it make anyone think maybe A's involvement was less than some suspect? Do we have any criminal psychologists on here?

 

[Dark Knight]

Hi Dark Knight - I'm not a criminal psycologist. I thought about the fact that there are so many reminders of A's parents left just as they seemingly were - in the house, on the walls, etc. I would think part of that is the "little girl in a hurry to be an adult".... she wanted many changes and things done to the house, and apparently did some of them but I'm guessing she didn't have the drive to do a complete revamp and overhaul in the decorating department. You know, she's young and has parties and life to attend to... That and either it settles in her mind that by keeping certain things the way they were that she did love her parents... or... soothes her ... or she's that callous.

I don't think it surprises me as much as it's a point of curiosity to me. For what it's worth I don't think "only" serial killers keep momentos of victims. It's just that that is a noted point about their m.o., it doesn't mean that someone who kills only once would not think to keep a momento in some way or of some kind depending on the circumstance.

Given the drug details and the types of people in the circle of friends I'd not be surprised if A was lesser involved (in that she herself did not do the very acts of killing her parents) but fully aware, fully in on it. But to me that is just as if she had hefted the weapon, at least in my mind it is.

Thanks for the input. Some might also say it's an image thing. It'd be too suspicious to remove their photos, etc. Others might say if she can live and party in the house where this happened, then having photos and other items isn't such a stretch. Of course, "A" is completely innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, anyways. But for whatever reason that caught me off guard.

 

[snowme]

Yes, I pondered that image thing idea too. And I too would say if she can party on 2 weeks after the incident - right in the same house - then why not keep photos up and all. That was just downright inappropriate so the image thing goes out the window with that, huh.

As for the innocent until proven guilty thing - I've always felt those words just too often don't fit. I think it's the word innocent that snags me up... I tend to think not guilty until proven guilty more and more these days.

Thanks for the input. Some might also say it's an image thing. It'd be too suspicious to remove their photos, etc. Others might say if she can live and party in the house where this happened, then having photos and other items isn't such a stretch. Of course, "A" is completely innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, anyways. But for whatever reason that caught me off guard.

 

[MCDRAW]

Are you not surprised A has kept so many memories of her parents around as recently as this year? Only serial killer keep mementos of victims, usually, as those are not people that they know, let alone are related to. That stands out as extremely odd in a case such as this.

ETA: I'd love to hear other's opinions on this. Am I the only one that finds this unusual? Does it make anyone think maybe A's involvement was less than some suspect? Do we have any criminal psychologists on here?

I am surprised that she has kept their pictures up. I have known people that have removed all pictures of their deceased loved ones and others that have left tons out. But I would think if you were responsible for their deaths, their picture would be a continual reminder of your guilt. Just my opinion, and A is of course, innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Rosco]

IMO.

Her Meth addiction and/group - I would put money on it - are the true reasons for Dad and Darleen's murders.
(( that is what she and XBF were doing the night of the murders.. along with 6-8 other pps ))

She did not committ the murders... IMO - she knows....

Who knows half the actions by her and the reasons behind them
... no headstones, no communication, NO FAMILY connections, parties in the house 3 weeks after murders, RENTER moving into the house 3 weeks after who is a FELON and drug dealer, no new clothes for her mother to be buried in, NO help with Foundation or search for Justice, no baby anymore....ect ect...

I really gave up on trying to figure out why - cuz it's a loose/loose situation there when it comes to her and her actions.

All the actions are very selfish and self-centered. And only to help herself... the main person..

NOT her parents and the search for their killer/s.

Rosco

 

[Rosco]

IMO.

Her Meth addiction and/group - I would put money on it - are the true reasons for Dad and Darleen's murders.
(( that is what she and XBF were doing the night of the murders.. along with 6-8 other pps ))

She did not committ the murders... IMO - she knows....

Who knows half the actions by her and the reasons behind them
... no headstones, no communication, NO FAMILY connections, parties in the house 3 weeks after murders, RENTER moving into the house 3 weeks after who is a FELON and drug dealer, no new clothes for her mother to be buried in, NO help with Foundation or search for Justice, no baby anymore....ect ect...

I really gave up on trying to figure out why - cuz it's a loose/loose situation there when it comes to her and her actions.

All the actions are very selfish and self-centered. And only to help herself... the main person..

NOT her parents and the search for their killer/s.

Rosco

U know - I thought about this post all night long. I also come to realize that sometimes I might overlook pps comments, thoughts and feelings - and I missed it with this one.
:blowkiss: sorry for any i have already done and for future...:bang:
DK - I do not know how I feel about the pic's still around and memories around. ????

I still feel that there is a feeling of loss for her.. I just can't understand why the lack of support if there is no reasons to be guilty? Maybe it's just me thinking this and truly there is nothing there - cuz of the disrespect that has been done... i just dont know.
Yea the pic's of them still up and i think most of the inside still the same... but why the parties and renter. . disconnection from family..ect. It just leads to the thoughts of involvment in some form or another.. Direct or in-direct...
Fear... ? Maybe.. but from what and whom. I still think about that post on topix when she said she lived on ground zero and to stay low..

Rosco

 

[snowme]

Nodding in agreement - when those drugs take hold - of a person, of a situation, of lives - it's drugs that are in control. It can take hold and be all consuming. That's why the choice and desicion to say no at the start is so important. Saying yes is like turning it all over and robbing yourself of true control, surrendering your own power.

It's definitely not an excuse but all too often it ends up being the reason.

Hope you're well today Rosco! :hug:

IMO.

Her Meth addiction and/group - I would put money on it - are the true reasons for Dad and Darleen's murders.
(( that is what she and XBF were doing the night of the murders.. along with 6-8 other pps ))

She did not committ the murders... IMO - she knows....

Who knows half the actions by her and the reasons behind them
... no headstones, no communication, NO FAMILY connections, parties in the house 3 weeks after murders, RENTER moving into the house 3 weeks after who is a FELON and drug dealer, no new clothes for her mother to be buried in, NO help with Foundation or search for Justice, no baby anymore....ect ect...

I really gave up on trying to figure out why - cuz it's a loose/loose situation there when it comes to her and her actions.

All the actions are very selfish and self-centered. And only to help herself... the main person..

NOT her parents and the search for their killer/s.

Rosco

 

[Rosco]

Hey Snowme. All is well here with us. Weather is beautiful this w/e in Chi-town and enjoying each-other and outside before the cold comes come. BRRR...Just around the corner for -10'... LOL. I went out last week and purchased my new winter coat - for the unbearable walks downtown this winter . I walk about 8blocks from train to work..
We are planning a trip to RT66 raceway in joliet for a monster truck jam next w/e. DS is unaware.. and I am excited for him. Going with a few of his buds...and it's a halloween celebration - dressing in his costum. He is going to be Speed Racer this year. LOL.. these times with DS are just great. I dont want him to grow up! LOL!!!

We have added a new family member to our little zoo.
Welcome - HIPPY the all black guinea pig to our family last week. He's a cutie and DS really enjoys his company.
(( i need my head examined - why i keep adding these new critters to my home LOL - I have so many! ))

Snowme... I understand how drugs can over-power your mind and actions.. but what i dont understand is the amount or LACK of amount of actions. I mean just nothing... Drugs or no drugs... JUST NOTHING... It's not like Dad and Darleen died in a car crash... or fell from the sky. They were murdered - AND in the very home. The evidence was everywhere you look..turn your head.... the evidence of loss and horror. to party there.. to sleep.

I really can't imagine drugs to over power your human mind and ALL your emotions - and NOT feel the emotions for THAT KIND OF loss. I guess I just cant understand the overpowering drugs can do to a mind and soul...
- so quickly after the murders?? THEY WERE MURDERED - a tornado didnt kill them.. but feelings were portrait (IMO) as if this was the case. It was said from XBF to 'move on and forget-get over it'.
It's almost like it was never there even before the murders. I mean.. the day we arrived. Just NOTHING as far as help or wanting to help. Late for appointments... lack of interest w/family and TV reporters. Even that poster on topix mentioned the visit days after to the lake house/trailer and all that was spoken was regarding money and insurance. NOT about how there will be JUSTICE for Dad and Darleen - NO just about money.
Just can't stop assuming the worst cuz of the 'down right' forward actions to the selfishness and greed.

The behavior makes me believe that there was so much more (? feelings, anger, disconnection, selfishness ) before the murders occured. There apprears to be no loss. I know that drugs can put you in that situation - lack feelings and longing for more drugs and only drugs.... but truly - if BOTH parents are murdered... SOMETHING would appear? SOMETHING??? NO??

I just have NEVER been in this kind of situation ... not until Oct 21 2005. It's impossible to begin as a normal everyday working class person on Oct 20, 2003 and then throw your's and everyone's life around you (your job, friends, other family members) in your life - into this nightmare. You just don't know how to think and feel almost every moment! Your emotions get divided and you question everything/everyone.

Alright - going outside. It's nice and DH is getting back from Webster Lake today. Him and a friend went to help out the musky club and get some water-time in..LOL.

All my love -
Rosco

 

[Dark Knight]

Hey Snowme. All is well here with us. Weather is beautiful this w/e in Chi-town and enjoying each-other and outside before the cold comes come. BRRR...Just around the corner for -10'... LOL. I went out last week and purchased my new winter coat - for the unbearable walks downtown this winter . I walk about 8blocks from train to work..
We are planning a trip to RT66 raceway in joliet for a monster truck jam next w/e. DS is unaware.. and I am excited for him. Going with a few of his buds...and it's a halloween celebration - dressing in his costum. He is going to be Speed Racer this year. LOL.. these times with DS are just great. I dont want him to grow up! LOL!!!

We have added a new family member to our little zoo.
Welcome - HIPPY the all black guinea pig to our family last week. He's a cutie and DS really enjoys his company.
(( i need my head examined - why i keep adding these new critters to my home LOL - I have so many! ))

Snowme... I understand how drugs can over-power your mind and actions.. but what i dont understand is the amount or LACK of amount of actions. I mean just nothing... Drugs or no drugs... JUST NOTHING... It's not like Dad and Darleen died in a car crash... or fell from the sky. They were murdered - AND in the very home. The evidence was everywhere you look..turn your head.... the evidence of loss and horror. to party there.. to sleep.

I really can't imagine drugs to over power your human mind and ALL your emotions - and NOT feel the emotions for THAT KIND OF loss. I guess I just cant understand the overpowering drugs can do to a mind and soul...
- so quickly after the murders?? THEY WERE MURDERED - a tornado didnt kill them.. but feelings were portrait (IMO) as if this was the case. It was said from XBF to 'move on and forget-get over it'.
It's almost like it was never there even before the murders. I mean.. the day we arrived. Just NOTHING as far as help or wanting to help. Late for appointments... lack of interest w/family and TV reporters. Even that poster on topix mentioned the visit days after to the lake house/trailer and all that was spoken was regarding money and insurance. NOT about how there will be JUSTICE for Dad and Darleen - NO just about money.
Just can't stop assuming the worst cuz of the 'down right' forward actions to the selfishness and greed.

The behavior makes me believe that there was so much more (? feelings, anger, disconnection, selfishness ) before the murders occured. There apprears to be no loss. I know that drugs can put you in that situation - lack feelings and longing for more drugs and only drugs.... but truly - if BOTH parents are murdered... SOMETHING would appear? SOMETHING??? NO??

I just have NEVER been in this kind of situation ... not until Oct 21 2005. It's impossible to begin as a normal everyday working class person on Oct 20, 2003 and then throw your's and everyone's life around you (your job, friends, other family members) in your life - into this nightmare. You just don't know how to think and feel almost every moment! Your emotions get divided and you question everything/everyone.

Alright - going outside. It's nice and DH is getting back from Webster Lake today. Him and a friend went to help out the musky club and get some water-time in..LOL.

All my love -
Rosco

That's why it's such a shock. All of her actions after the murders indicated a lack of remorse. Now, 2.5 years later, we see she still has their photo and other items up in their home. It's very much a contradiction. As as been said, the drugs have likely affected every decision she has made. Or she has multiple personalities.

 

[Rosco]

That's why it's such a shock. All of her actions after the murders indicated a lack of remorse. Now, 2.5 years later, we see she still has their photo and other items up in their home. It's very much a contradiction. As as been said, the drugs have likely affected every decision she has made. Or she has multiple personalities.

Wow DK... I recall LE saying something to me about just that - multi-personalities.
LE asked me if I have ever knew/seen multi-personalities from her ...I said no and LE said they did. They knew about the drug abuse at the time - I did not...so they took that in account too.. and under the stress of what had happend...

 

[Dark Knight]

Wow DK... I recall LE saying something to me about just that - multi-personalities.
LE asked me if I have ever knew/seen multi-personalities from her ...I said no and LE said they did. They knew about the drug abuse at the time - I did not...so they took that in account too.. and under the stress of what had happend...

This case gets stranger and stranger.....

 

[Rosco]

This case gets stranger and stranger.....

That comment from LE was 'RIGHT' after the murders...