Interesting Insight On "Who Done It".

[DeeDee249]

Some of us here, like me, have more than one theory. NONE is an IDI, however. I also feel the flashlight was the murder weapon, although I do see where it can be thought that she was slammed into a tub or sink. I feel a hard blow with the edge of the heavy end of the flashlight was enough to punch a hole like that in her skull, whereas I think it would take repeated blows to exactly the same spot if it were from slamming into a tub or sink. And there had to be a more implicating reason why the flashlight AND batteries was wiped clean of all prints. If it was just used to walk around in the dark, WHY wipe it down? After all, it did belong to the R's. (even if they denied it). Their denial of owning it was also suspect. It was ridiculous to say "well we have one just like that one but THAT one isn't ours". How idiotic a statement is that?
I also have read Dr. Wecht's book, and I agree with much of what he had to say.
Although Coroner Meyer's report stated "ligature strangulation associated with cerebrocranial trauma", I don't know that a different coroner would have worded it that way. I would have liked to see it worded so that there was a primary cause of death. As has been mentioned, the head bash would have been fatal, whether or not the ligature was applied.

 

[Tober]

I thought the head blow was more consistent with the flashlight than a bathtub? The over sanitation of the flashlight down to the batteries supports evidence of its involvement.

Yes, Dr. Spitz demonstrated this to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty. I no longer have the article with the photos, maybe Jayelles does?

 

[coloradokares]

<<I am going to wait right here if you have or know of a better fact based presentation.>>

There is a better fact-based presentation in Cyril Wecht's book. He accounts for all the autopsy findings, not just the ones that support a Patsy did it raged-based scenario.

I don't need to disclaimer my opinions because I am a fence sitter. I do have a science degree and am intimately familiar with medical jargon. The Wecht scenario best fits the scientific evidence with respect to the body. You can not have a massive head blow splitting the skull from end to end with only a few teaspoons of blood inside the head without the neck being tourniqueted first (or as Wecht purports, the vagus nerve being shut off, causing the heart and respiration to stop pumping blood to the head before the head blow).

I would be open to a plausible IDI scenario if one presented itself. I am open to PDI but feel JR has been given a free pass unfairly. I believe this child was chronically sexually abused based on the half dozen expert opinions.

If it was PDI based on rage, there was more to it than a wet bed...her cancer, approaching 40th birthday, the surpassing of JonBenet in beauty, the rejection of the MyTwinn, the rejection of the turtleneck Patsy wanted her to wear, and God knows what happened with that bicycle. Potty rage doesn't explain the mystery feeding of the pineapple or why the Ramseys would deny it later.

I just am underwhelmed with Bowen's presentation and believe there are many posters here who could top it (Brother Moon, Super Dave, for example).

If an opinion is that only an opinion not a fact of the case it has to be stated as such that is my understanding regarding the forum rules. I Certainly do agree that Super Dave could give a most detailed and through account of the details fact and fiction of this murder, I have nothing but the highest regard for Super Dave. And also Wechts book. I was not underwhelmed with Bowens presentation. It was limited and did not cover every detail but for what it was it was on the $

 

[Albert18]

If the flashlight was what caused the head injury then it is the number one thing that is responsible for JonBenet being dead. The flashlight was left out in the open. That doesn't fit with the rest of the crime.

Why was it wiped clean? Patsy knew the history of things in the house. Maybe it was John's flashlight and why would Patsy's fingerprints be all over John's flashlight. Maybe Patsy knew she had never used that flashlight before that night. Maybe she had to put new batteries in during the night.

Patsy made decisions based on what she knew, not what we know.

 

[Toltec]

If the flashlight was what caused the head injury then it is the number one thing that is responsible for JonBenet being dead. The flashlight was left out in the open. That doesn't fit with the rest of the crime.

Why was it wiped clean? Patsy knew the history of things in the house. Maybe it was John's flashlight and why would Patsy's fingerprints be all over John's flashlight. Maybe Patsy knew she had never used that flashlight before that night. Maybe she had to put new batteries in during the night.

Patsy made decisions based on what she knew, not what we know.

There is no such thing as a perfect crime in that Patsy could not possibly remember to place everything back....she was limited to about five - five and one half hours to stage this. She simply forgot...she was no expert.

 

[UKGuy]

If the flashlight was what caused the head injury then it is the number one thing that is responsible for JonBenet being dead. The flashlight was left out in the open. That doesn't fit with the rest of the crime.

Why was it wiped clean? Patsy knew the history of things in the house. Maybe it was John's flashlight and why would Patsy's fingerprints be all over John's flashlight. Maybe Patsy knew she had never used that flashlight before that night. Maybe she had to put new batteries in during the night.

Patsy made decisions based on what she knew, not what we know.

Albert18,

Good points, I've always thought the assumed sequence of events for the popular theories seem to conflict with the forensic evidence.

Your remarks echo my thoughts, since I think the sequence of events might go like this:

1. Attempted Manual Strangulation.
2. Head Injury Caused By Flashlight
3. Ligature Strangulation.

That is 1. and 2. may have taken place elsewhere in the house and 3. in the basement, or 2. may have also occurred in the basement.

So for a PDI she tried to manually strangle JonBenet and failed, but JonBenet was unconcious but alive, next she was whacked on the head, later as staging she was ligature strangled. These seem to cover a lot of the forensic anomalies, like blood, and JonBenet being wiped down by the time she is placed in the basement, and as you suggest, wiping her prints off John's flashlight?

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