Internet down, police counterterror unit out in Egypt

[luckyducky]

:seeya:

Hey, lucky - there's already a lengthy thread on Egypt. I notified the mods to see if they can merge the two...

Internet down, police counterterror unit out in Egypt - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks Belimom - I saw that thread but didn't realize there was news of him stepping down.

 

[Kat]

[video=youtube;wrkjRa0ygCY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrkjRa0ygCY[/video]

Scene of celebration.

 

[drip~drop]

I'm happy the Egyptian people got what they wanted.

 

[belimom]

I'm happy the Egyptian people got what they wanted.

I think this is the first step - and a huge one, but I'm not sure it's exactly what they ultimately want. All the people in control were put there by Mubarek. I think they want a whole new set of folks running things.

 

[essies]

The power of people who would rather die than live under a dictator any longer is a powerful message to all the peoples of the world. It will be interesting to see if there is a ripple effect in the future!! The world is watching!!:rocker:

[video=youtube;sCbpiOpLwFg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCbpiOpLwFg[/video]

 

[belimom]

bbm

Melly, you bring up some interesting points. But I disagree about the scarves. When we lived there, many of the women - young and old - covered their heads, and the number is increasing. We went to a wedding and started a conversation with a couple who had travelled from Switzerland to the wedding. They had not been to Egypt in over 20 years. One thing they commented on was that the number of women covering their heads was way more than they remembered from their previous visit.

I worked with young women who wore Western-style clothing but still covered their heads.

Here's a recent article in the NYTimes about it:

bm

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/11/world/middleeast/11iht-letter.html

The revival of orthodox religious discourse in the past three decades led many Muslim women, whether through conviction or convenience, to take on the veil. In this traditional and patriarchal society, where the image of the woman is connected to such concepts as family honor, national pride and social values, the spread of the veil became the most visible manifestation of a swelling religious identification.

But now that the vast majority of women in Egypt are in fact veiled, it is no longer a mark of distinction, or even piety. It is not unusual to see a young veiled woman in tight jeans and a catchy top strutting provocatively down the street holding her boyfriend’s hand.

I wanted to bring this forward. I saw this picture on the front page of CNN.com and thought it was relevant to the discussion about the headscarves:

 

[MLE]

In response to your post.BBM

Women in the Cairo Street Scenes: a Troubling Photo Essay
VERY good article and scroll down the pictures tell the story too:http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142158

An Israeli news source?

Women wearing scarves in Egypt are less oppressed than all of those Ukrainian and Russian women trafficked to Israel to work as prostitutes in truly oppressive conditions. Don't let the miniskirts and fishnets fool you into thinking those women are in any way liberated.

 

[MLE]

This revolution is good for the Egyptians as well as Americans. The Egyptians can have more sovereignty while Americans can repair our own country instead of wasting our time on imperialism. Our country is a mess and we need to spend all of our energy getting out of debt, becoming non-obese again, and repairing our nation's infrastructure. Our transportation system is second world at best. We don't have the time or money to invest in Egypt anymore.

 

[belimom]

Egypt's military dissolves parliament, suspends constitution
By the CNN Wire Staff
February 13, 2011 10:05 a.m. EST

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Egypt's military dissolved parliament and will run the country for six months or until elections are held, it said in a statement Sunday, two days after President Hosni Mubarak resigned.
It is suspending the constitution and will appoint a committee to propose changes to it, the statement said, adding that the public will then get to vote on the amended constitution.

The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces can issue new laws during the transition period, according to the statement on state television.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/13/egypt.revolution/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

 

[songline]

An Israeli news source?

Women wearing scarves in Egypt are less oppressed than all of those Ukrainian and Russian women trafficked to Israel to work as prostitutes in truly oppressive conditions. Don't let the miniskirts and fishnets fool you into thinking those women are in any way liberated.

MLE - somehow you got wrong Information.
But first let me address this - AN ISREALI SOURCE ?
If you go to another thread you will see that I post AL Jazeera too because I read it all.
so IMO anyone who is closed to reading all sides, has no real view.

I was in Israel 15 year ago and 12 years ago too.
I have been to other areas in the Middle East too Lebanon and Egypt too.

ISREAL is very perplexed with the Russian women who came there and practice Prostitution. They are given a roof over their heads, medical privileges, and food. The rest is their own doing. THE FACT is that when they were freed from Russia where they were not allowed to practice their own heritage, they wanted to come to Israel and the door were open. THE OTHER FACT IS - there was no prostitution before they came. OK maybe one here and there unknowns. As there would be anywhere.
I have no idea if you had lived there, but I have lived there before the doors opened to let the Russians who fled in.
By the Way Ethiopians were also let in and they are not prostituting, OK there may be one.

 

[Cypros]

It is a sad, sad day when people think that a woman wearing a headscarf is a symbol of oppression. Please do your homework on traditional dress in the Middle East and also consider the practicality of head scarves which have been worn by women around the world for centuries before equating them with the burqa.

 

[songline]

An Israeli news source?

Women wearing scarves in Egypt are less oppressed than all of those Ukrainian and Russian women trafficked to Israel to work as prostitutes in truly oppressive conditions. Don't let the miniskirts and fishnets fool you into thinking those women are in any way liberated.

hmmm.
Israeli intelligence in not to be sneezed at not today not ever.
But the link I gave you was PHOTOGRAPHS. A picture tells a million stories.

 

[songline]

I hate to say I told you so....
But I sure did on the World News Thread.

Now Egypt is unraveling http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mark...n-middle-east/

Egypt's military rejects swift transfer of power and suspends constitution
Ruling military council intends to retain power for six months or longer while
elections are scheduled and will rule by decree
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...power-handover

I pray for the best of all concerned.... but but but.......

the people behind this set up public opinions to gain strength....
the guy from Google - talks from 2 sides of his mouth - no shock-
The Muslim Brother hood are snakes who laid low only in time to strike.
IF and I doubt it is an IF.
But if US lost Egypt the lose a lot more.

 

[Glow]

It is a sad, sad day when people think that a woman wearing a headscarf is a symbol of oppression. Please do your homework on traditional dress in the Middle East and also consider the practicality of head scarves which have been worn by women around the world for centuries before equating them with the burqa.

It was only in the 60s here in the US when a western version of the headdress was worn.

Remember Jackie Kennedy and the pillbox hat?

Hats, veils, scarves are all rich in cultural meaning.

Cypros is right.

 

[belimom]

It is a sad, sad day when people think that a woman wearing a headscarf is a symbol of oppression. Please do your homework on traditional dress in the Middle East and also consider the practicality of head scarves which have been worn by women around the world for centuries before equating them with the burqa.

I agree. Head coverings are not oppressive when worn by choice, whether for religious purposes, fashion, cultural statements, or for the more practical reason of keeping the sun/sand away. I covered my head every time we went to the desert there b/c not only was the sun brutal, but when the wind blew you'd end up with sand in your eyes, ears, nostrils, hair, etc...

I hope my posts above didn't imply that I thought they were oppressive in any way. I was merely pointing out that more and more women are wearing them.

 

[T-Rex]

Horrible story in the news today, about a CBS reporter being separated from her crew and sexually assaulted during the demonstrations Friday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/15/60minutes/main20032070.shtml

 

[GetSmart]

OO T-Rex that is dreadful news ..That poor woman.. She has my prayers ..

 

[Trino]

Things are not normal in Cairo. A relative in Cairo still cannot get money from a bank. Commercial airlines still are not flying.

 

[essies]

[video=youtube;DRV21bliytM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRV21bliytM[/video]
Libya, Jordan And Yemen Hit By Renewed Unrest
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Libya has issued no casualty or injury figures after two days of protests.

But Human Rights Watch, quoting sources in the country, said at least 24 people have been killed by Libyan security forces who are using live fire.

Libya exerts strict controls on media and communications, making independent verification of claims about the unrest difficult to obtain.


Live Rounds Fired On Libyan Protesters
Foreign journalists have been forbidden from entering the country by Colonel Gaddafi who appears to be trying to shut the country off to the outside world.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo...unisia_uprisings_hits_Libya,_Yemen_and_Jordan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJvZC25bB6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhnjpSJhInY
Bahraini lawmaker Ali al-Aswad, who was at the hospital at the time of incident, also told Press TV that the army has prevented the medical staff from reaching those injured and urged the Bahraini authorities to stop killing their own people.

According to the Bahraini lawmaker, nearly 700 army troops are stationed near the hospital.

Following the violence, Bahrain's crown prince Salman bin Hamad al-Khalifa promised to start a national dialogue, once calm returns.

The Friday shooting came after a funeral procession held for those killed on Thursday turned into pro-democracy protests with a turnout of tens of thousands, which is unprecedented over the past few weeks.

Four pro-democracy protesters were killed and 231 others wounded after riot police raided the protest camp in the early hours of Thursday, when most of the demonstrators were sleeping, in an attempt to clear capital's main square from demonstrators.

The funeral procession of the victims was held after the Friday Prayers.

 

[ziggy]

It was only in the 60s here in the US when a western version of the headdress was worn.

Remember Jackie Kennedy and the pillbox hat?

Hats, veils, scarves are all rich in cultural meaning.

Cypros is right.

Or for me, just a way to cover hair gone bad for the day.