Interviews 10/17/2011 All interviews #2

[not_my_kids]

Well, maybe I'm wrong and mods will allow discussion of that.

You go first and if they don't smack ya, I'll join in.

There's not much to discuss. it's in one of the interviews from yesterday morning. Just a little snippet from Peter Alexander. But it's MSM and it's been said. I'm not going to go digging into records...I don't want my hand smacked that hard, LOL.

 

[CN2Souls]

You are right. These kids are not suspects, they are possible witnesses, I didn't think they even needed permission to interview the kids and in this case, a missing child, it would be someone from the FBI that interviewed them, an FBI psych would do it and yes it would be taped and the parents could watch from another room but aren't allowed in the room with them so they cant coach them. If the kids were suspects, then the parents can be in the room, I think then they HAVE to be in the room because they are underage. These children are witnesses though and hold valuable information I am sure. They don't even know what they might hold. Its been too long since this happened though so I am not sure what they coaching at home has been like, I think its too late to do this with them now. IMO

If done by a child Psychiatrists, they would be able to tell what was planted by other and what the boys really remembered of that night.
I have worked with children as young as 3 yrs old that can remember in great details as far back as a 30 day,

That why they use Play therapy and art therapy, it brings more out then direct questioning.

 

[not_my_kids]

Debbie and Jeremy aren't married. She is still married to her son's father.

Oops. yeah, you're right. Maybe she was just planning on leaving him then, but it doesn't make much sense, since most states(and I'm assuming MO is one of them), gives custody automatically to the mother when the parents aren't married.

I can hope, because it's the only way I can see Lisa still being alive is if one of the parents set the whole thing up.

 

[frankie069]

I respectfully disagree.

LE had a kidnapped 10 month old to find, I think DB being plastered was pretty far down on LE's list of things to worry about that night.

Let me tell you why I think they would have done this, not only to protect the children, but any of us that have had a drink or two in our lives, what is the one thing you do when drinking.. TALK, A LOT. IF, and I say if, she was really drunk, I do believe she would have been taken in. I dont mean, just a drink or two, I mean drunk..

And its ok to agree to disagree..

 

[frankie069]

Oops. yeah, you're right. Maybe she was just planning on leaving him then, but it doesn't make much sense, since most states(and I'm assuming MO is one of them), gives custody automatically to the mother when the parents aren't married.

I can hope, because it's the only way I can see Lisa still being alive is if one of the parents set the whole thing up.

If she is an alcoholic, he might have been able to use that against her and she would have lost Lisa to him. JMO. On TV though, they dont look like they were splitting up or anything. I hope this wasnt a ploy to save the marriage though. Some people usually get pregnant to do that, not dump one of their children.

Well considering I missed all the morning shows, i am hoping to find some video of them so I can watch to discuss, though I dont know how much I want to talk about BS and JT.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Let me tell you why I think they would have done this, not only to protect the children, but any of us that have had a drink or two in our lives, what is the one thing you do when drinking.. TALK, A LOT. IF, and I say if, she was really drunk, I do believe she would have been taken in. I dont mean, just a drink or two, I mean drunk..

And its ok to agree to disagree..

But we don't know at what time she was drunk. Nor do what know what time she stopped drinking. If, for example, she was plastered prior to 10:30 and stopped drinking then, by 2:30 it's is possible she had sobered up significantly.

 

[luckyme]

Oops. yeah, you're right. Maybe she was just planning on leaving him then, but it doesn't make much sense, since most states(and I'm assuming MO is one of them), gives custody automatically to the mother when the parents aren't married.

I can hope, because it's the only way I can see Lisa still being alive is if one of the parents set the whole thing up.

I thought about that theory. Maybe he has something on her and could take baby lisa. moo

 

[jjenny]

But we don't know at what time she was drunk. Nor do what know what time she stopped drinking. If, for example, she was plastered prior to 10:30 and stopped drinking then, by 2:30 it's is possible she had sobered up significantly.

I don't think police gave her any tests: it's not illegal to drink in a house. It's not like she was caught driving drunk. I am sure they were concerned at the time with finding the baby, not whether the mommy was drunk.

 

[Turnadot]

Let me tell you why I think they would have done this, not only to protect the children, but any of us that have had a drink or two in our lives, what is the one thing you do when drinking.. TALK, A LOT. IF, and I say if, she was really drunk, I do believe she would have been taken in. I dont mean, just a drink or two, I mean drunk..

And its ok to agree to disagree..

I hear you, but let me say that LE would have been utterly dumb to arrest her for being s-faced that night.

They'd have never been able to lock her into a statement. She would have got a lawyer that very night. Neither she or JI would have spoken to the cops without a lawyer present, and I promise LE would never have even had the one chance to speak with the other children. The last thing LE wants someone to do is lawyer up. They want to be able to talk freely with the person for as long as possible, mining information, watching body language, etc. A lawyer is a wrench in their communications, because now they can't hammer you.

Only an LEO who was a complete moron would have arrested her that night.

My opinions...

 

[frankie069]

Again, I disagree. LE needed DB to help them find her kidnapped baby. Arresting her would have caused her to lawyer up straight away, or she would have refused to talk to them at all, and they'd have nothing. Even if they believed she killed her baby, they'd have blown by arresting her and not locking her into a statement.

If I'm LE, I'm thinking I need this lady's cooperation. Arresting her for child endangerment for being s-faced would accomplish F all towards finding Lisa.

My opinions...

If you think about it, they have nothing now. DB hasnt talked anyway, she is lawyered up and LE doesnt appear to be any closer to finding Lisa then they were on night one. She has refused to talk because they wanted family time (HEY.. remember when they didnt want to speak with the police because they said they wanted family time, you dont think they were all drinking at that time do you.. geesh that just popped into my head..) anyway, back to my train of thought, it seems they might have had a better chance to speak with her while she was drunk because she might have said things she wouldnt have while sober.. JMO though.. Once again, I dont think she was bombed that night anyway.. Pure speculation and a defense ploy..

 

[jacy]

I really wish DB and JI would allow the boys to be interviewed again, or get them into some sort of counseling,

Not sure about the local LE there,

However, Here the children are most always interviewed by an outside Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists that works as a liaison for LE, with the Parents present and NOT LE.

At time the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, will ask parents if they could watch through a 2 way mirror or close circuit TV.

ALL interviews are taped, Parent can then give consent to give to LE these tapes or not.

HOWEVER, if the children have witnessed a crime that was committed by the parents and tell the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, the Child Psychologist / Psychiatrists, is compelled by law to give this information to LE.

*** to add they don't "grill" the Child, they used play therapy and Art therapy to interview the child, it is done in a very "soft" non-confrontational way.

This scenario sounds great. I was thinking about my own boys. The older one, at 8, could give a detailed and specific version of events with complete accuracy. His younger brother just turned 7 and while he gives correct information, I notice he is not as intensely detail oriented and will sometimes get upset if his answer will conflict (in his mind) with what I'm asking. That barely makes sense. I agree a controlled environment would be best for all concerned and I so wish they'd get on with it!

 

[Turnadot]

If you think about it, they have nothing now. DB hasnt talked anyway, she is lawyered up and LE doesnt appear to be any closer to finding Lisa then they were on night one. She has refused to talk because they wanted family time (HEY.. remember when they didnt want to speak with the police because they said they wanted family time, you dont think they were all drinking at that time do you.. geesh that just popped into my head..) anyway, back to my train of thought, it seems they might have had a better chance to speak with her while she was drunk because she might have said things she wouldnt have while sober.. JMO though.. Once again, I dont think she was bombed that night anyway.. Pure speculation and a defense ploy..

But that isn't true. DB talked to LE before she got a lawyer - took a polygraph, even! LE has locked both her and JI into a statement, and have spent time with them and the boys without a lawyer present. That's huge, IMO.

 

[not_my_kids]

By the time LE was called to report Lisa missing, Jeremy was there. No reason for the police to do anything about the other kids in the house, because even if Deborah was still obviously drunk, she was not the sole caretaker of the kids. And the other caretaker, having just arrived home from work, was apparently sober. By the time that all the info regarding Lisa had been related to LE, that was their focus...the missing baby. I don't find it odd that she was not given a blood test or any other kind of test. She was drunk in her own home, and even with minors present, as long as they weren't drinking, there is no crime in that.

 

[frankie069]

I must say that I think the point is moot anyway, I dont think that DB was as drunk that night as she is saying she was or pretending to be for her defense. Kudos to JT for using this as his strategy. On saying that.. Does anyone remember the interview where the police said the parents are not speaking to them anymore and that they were tired and wanted family time... am I seeing a pattern here, seems family time and adult time means different things to me then it does to them.. I wonder if that meant mom and dad needed a drink or two or maybe mom was half in the bag and couldnt have a press conference or talk to the police.. ????

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I don't think police gave her any tests: it's not illegal to drink in a house. It's not like she was caught driving drunk. I am sure they were concerned at the time with finding the baby, not whether the mommy was drunk.

It's also possible that her impairment didn't come from just drinking. If she were taking anti-anxiety meds, if she were smoking something other than cigarettes...there are just alot of variables, kwim?

Generally, the body processes alcohol at a rate of 1 drink per hour. Of course, that depends on the alcohol percentage in the drink, the person's body weight, etc. etc. But using that as a general guideline, if she drank say 5 glasses of wine prior to 10:30 pm, then she might well have sobered up considerably by 2:30 am. If she had been smoking marijuana also (not saying she WAS), and that contributed to her impairment, that would wear off fairly quickly. And that is also much harder to detect, imo.

Like I said...lots of variables.

 

[not_my_kids]

I must say that I think the point is moot anyway, I dont think that DB was as drunk that night as she is saying she was or pretending to be for her defense. Kudos to JT for using this as his strategy. On saying that.. Does anyone remember the interview where the police said the parents are not speaking to them anymore and that they were tired and wanted family time... am I seeing a pattern here, seems family time and adult time means different things to me then it does to them.. I wonder if that meant mom and dad needed a drink or two or maybe mom was half in the bag and couldnt have a press conference or talk to the police.. ????

I agree, I don't think she was as drunk as she says she was...but then again, it's not a useable defense, so why is she throwing all this out there, unless she is covering for someone, and intends to just stick to her story that she doesn't remember anything.

 

[cindysue]

Well purely speculation on my part, but it could be possible she has a drinking problem and i know my ex had a very severe one and he always tryed to hide the fact he had been drinking...This could be why she didnt tell cops this could be why she waited till her husband worked a night shift, cause she thought she could drink and the kids would be asleep and hes gone so no one would know.... If she did black out then its possible she did things and now has no memory of doing them..I believe a drunk could turn on lights leave doors open and even hurt someone while in that state, but im not sure that someone that drunk would bother making three cell phones dissappear cause they knew they could be used against them the next day ..I dont think your mind is clear enough at that time to contenplate. If she did hide the phones and her daughter, it would have been found out by now IMO...after all she didnt even have a car that night or did she??

 

[CN2Souls]

This scenario sounds great. I was thinking about my own boys. The older one, at 8, could give a detailed and specific version of events with complete accuracy. His younger brother just turned 7 and while he gives correct information, I notice he is not as intensely detail oriented and will sometimes get upset if his answer will conflict (in his mind) with what I'm asking. That barely makes sense. I agree a controlled environment would be best for all concerned and I so wish they'd get on with it!

I personally think more damaged will be done to these boys if they are not allowed to talk about this to an outside person,

even if DB and JI refuse for it to be LE,

These boys need to sort through this,

Could you imagine the fear they must feel, if the story is true that a complete stranger came into their home in the middle if the night and stole their sister.

As an adult that is extremely traumatizing for a child it is 100 fold...

Then if it is not true that a strange did it but one of the parents………….

That would be unspeakable trauma to these boys.

 

[nursebeeme]

:nono:

Peeps, we are not sleuthing the family members... this post lands at random

 

[frankie069]

But that isn't true. DB talked to LE before she got a lawyer - took a polygraph, even! LE has locked both her and JI into a statement, and have spent time with them and the boys without a lawyer present. That's huge, IMO.

Yes you are right, she did speak with them on a limited basis though. If you remember she said she was tired and didnt want to be questioned anymore and then it all stopped. Which I could never do I might add unless I had something to hide.. I would be more than cooperative with LE until the day that they found my child.

You know what, we will never know what went on behind closed doors anyway. Unless this goes to trial that is. This is a very trying thing to be a part of, and with that I mean all of us and all the people out there praying for this child.

I do see your point to a point, but I still say that she wasnt arrested anyway because she wasnt drunk and I really hoping that to be the case so that defense theory can be thrown out. Yes, JT can still try and use it but if you have 10 police officers saying, no she was fine when we spoke with her, that is going to go far in my book. After the CA case I think you will have jurors that will pay more attention now. (Lord I hope or I give up)