INTL - Alessia & Livia Schepp (twins), 6, 30 Jan 2011 - Italy, Switzerland and France

[LadyL]

respectfully snipped by me for brevity

Below is the link showing the [3] pictures of Matthias [in Marseille], that article is talking about. Where are the twins? Did he just leave them in the car? Was 'someone' looking after them? Had he noticed the video surveillance camera, and didn't want it to 'capture' the twins? So many questions!!!!

3 PICTURES of Matthias in Marselle "alone" : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Missi...g-Alessia-Livia/169083213138407?v=photos&so=0


this picture of one of the twins is so adorable! Praying they are found soon!
( picture courtesy of "Missing Alessia & Livia" Facebook group )

I don't see the photos there. Did they get taken down perhaps? Did anyone save them who could post them in this thread?

 

[swanny]

Thanks Paulette, for the translation of the letter from the Italian source. Does anyone know if the original French text can be found on the web?

I haven't given up hope yet on the sat-nav. It would be really unlucky if the chip containing the non-volatile memory (ie the part that contains routes, previous destinations etc) was damaged, even if the sat-nav itself went under a train.

Interesting document, from a technical perspective, about forensic examinations of sat-navs

http://hnaleen.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/forensic-investigation-of-navman-devices.pdf

 

[belimom]

I don't see the photos there. Did they get taken down perhaps? Did anyone save them who could post them in this thread?

I saw all three on a couple of sites before, but now I can only find one:

 

[belimom]

Missing children: did Lyons detour mean an accomplice?

http://genevalunch.com/blog/2011/02/16/missing-children-did-lyons-detour-mean-an-accomplice/

Matthias Schepp’s treasured tape recorder may have been found in Italy
..............
The mother, Irina Ludici, in an interview with 20 Minuten in German, mentions questions that have been raised, notably about the father’s presence in Lyons.

Matthias Schepp, was close to the airport in Lyons, France, not the logical route to take to Marseille or the one most likely proposed by his GPS navigation system. This is also the end of the trail of his cell phone. The girls’ mother is quoted by 20 Minutes as asking “We’re wondering if Matthias met an accomplice at the airport”.

The online daily notes that this might explain who was watching the girls while the father went into a travel agency in Marseille alone to buy three tickets for the ferry to Corsica.

20 Minuten also reports that a tape recorder, an older model that the father always kept with him, was found by Italian police, but this has not been confirmed officially.
.............

 

[Hazel]

I don't see the photos there. Did they get taken down perhaps? Did anyone save them who could post them in this thread?

that's right LadyL, a whole folder containing lots of pictures has been taken down :dunno: don't know why...only 8 pics remain on the FB group.

Thx belimon for the image...this site has all three pics of Matthias at the ATM in Marseille:

( click where it says "successivo>>" to view next pics )

http://bari.repubblica.it/cronaca/2011/02/12/foto/gemelline_schepp_al_bancomat_a_marsiglia-12364543/1/
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hope today is the day the girls will be found

 

[Janeumayer]

Translation from spanish news article http://www.telecinco.es/informativos/sociedad/noticia/100033870/La+madre+de+las+mellizas+desaparecidas+llega+a+Corcega+para+ayudar+a+la+policia:

Postcard from January 31st:

"I can't live without shared custody. I am completely insane, sick, finished, destroyed. Help!" "Instead of a reasonable dialogue, I've received as an answer a battalion of lawyers. They were all willing to help me, except you. My wife! Haven't had time to even speak to me once. Coming to Neuchatel was too much for you. That is why I've become crazy. But I do not want any more help. It's too late."

His last postcard on February 3rd:

"I only wanted a family. Losing you was too hard, but losing the girls was too much." " I don't know, probably I'm sick, I don't know from what, but sick. Goodbye, goodbye for ever. I can't anymore. I am very sorry but there's nothing to be done."

 

[Hazel]

found more excerpts from Matthias' letters (from two different souces):

- http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/notizia.php?IDNotizia=403136&IDCategoria=1

- http://www.ticinolive.ch/primo-piano/gemelle-scomparse-la-denuncia-arrivata-troppo-tardi-8977.html

"My dear, I wanted to die with my daughters, but it did not happen like that; I'll be the last one to die. I have already killed the girls; they did NOT suffer, and now they are resting in a quiet/peaceful place." (In that phrase, the word NOT was written in capitol letters and underscored)
"You wont see them again"
"Now I hope you wont commit suicide, after what I have done to the girls"
(The letter also contains some phrases that make no sense, where he assumes responsibility for the breakup of the marriage.)​

I don't know why, but that phrase about him hoping she wont commit suicide, seems odd to me. Is that perhaps what he wants her to do?

 

[belimom]

found more excerpts from Matthias' letters (from two different souces):

- http://www.lagazzettadelmezzogiorno.it/notizia.php?IDNotizia=403136&IDCategoria=1

- http://www.ticinolive.ch/primo-piano/gemelle-scomparse-la-denuncia-arrivata-troppo-tardi-8977.html

"My dear, I wanted to die with my daughters, but it did not happen like that, I'll be the last to die. I have already killed the girls; they did NOT suffer, and now they are resting in a quiet/peaceful place." (In that phrase, the word NOT was written in capitol letters and underscored)
"You wont see them again"
"Now I hope you wont commit suicide, after what I have done to the girls"
(The letter also contains some phrases that make no sense, where he assumes responsibility for the breakup of the marriage.)​

I don't know why, but that phrase about him hoping she wont commit suicide, seems odd to me. Is that perhaps what he wants her to do?

Hazel, thank you for posting. I'm now getting suspicious of his claims to have killed the girls.

With his repeated insistence -- as if to make sure no one searched for them -- combined with the possible sightings of this unknown female, I'm beginning to wonder if his claims that he killed the girls are a red herring?

 

[Hazel]

Hazel, thank you for posting. I'm now getting suspicious of his claims to have killed the girls.

With his repeated insistence -- as if to make sure no one searched for them -- combined with the possible sightings of this unknown female, I'm beginning to wonder if his claims that he killed the girls are a red herring?

Exactly! and I believe that is probably why Irina has so much hope her little girls are still alive. Let's hope so!!!! He had lots of time to calm himself down, and think things over, nothing was done in a rush, all very calculated and methodical. It's so hard to believe he was so mad at his wife, and hurt by her rejection, that he would take his daughters' lives in order to hurt her. But then again, we are thinking like women/mothers, and we are not mentally ill, so anything is possible, I guess

However, why not allow her to find the girls' bodies (if the worst happened)?

 

[truthsleuth]

My dear, I wanted to die with my daughters, but it did not happen like that; I'll be the last one to die. I have already killed the girls; they did NOT suffer, and now they are resting in a quiet/peaceful place."

You wont see them again.

I guess we've all gone around in circles about whether the twins are alive or dead, or whether or not there was an accomplice. But this is the second time that Matthias has said he killed the girls Alessia and Livia, and I believe him.

It is clear that this event was well planned. Nothing seems spur of the moment. The trip to Marseilles, the letters, the money sent to Irina, the boat to Corsica, the return to the family vacation spot as a place to leave the girls forever, the boat back to Italy, and on to the place where Matthias died by throwing himself in front of a train.

It has been said again and again that he returned to Italy alone. He was seen in Naples alone, and again in Cernigola alone. Though he might appear to be playing some game with his wife's emotions, I think he has been honest all along in saying the twins are dead and he killed them.

We may never understand why he sent money in many envelopes to Irina, or why he included the twins in his will (testament) if he planned to kill them. We will probably always have questions concerning choices he made. But his choice to kill the girls now seems part of his plan from the moment he took them, and I do believe they are gone forever.

They were lovely little girls who deserved a full life, and their father selfishly robbed them of that and robbed the world of what they could have contributed to it. This is such a sad story and I pray I do not encounter another one like it any time soon. May the girls rest in peace.

 

[Hazel]

I guess we've all gone around in circles about whether the twins are alive or dead, or whether or not there was an accomplice. But this is the second time (first time actually, just happens that some newspapers published more phrases than others, and today I found these two articles that contain a bit more) that Matthias has said he killed the girls Alessia and Livia, and I believe him.


It is clear that this event was well planned. Nothing seems spur of the moment. (Agree, everything seems to have a hidden meaning...obviously it was intended for Irina, though some things have already been explained in the FB group)
The trip to Marseilles, the letters, the money sent to Irina, the boat to Corsica, the return to the family vacation spot as a place to leave the girls forever, (from what I read on FB, seems Irina mentioned the girls were 'conceived' in Corsica and something else, but I think I wont post that here) the boat back to Italy, (hmm, nope there was no boat back to Italy. The return trip to France you mean? He took a ferry back to Toulon, then DROVE all the way to Cerignola, Italy, via Napoli) and on to the place where Matthias died by throwing himself in front of a train. (this is a puzzler, why chose that region? There has been some specultation that might be the place where they met, and that what he was doing was kind of 'rewinding' his life, up to that point (yet to be confirmed, just an hypothesis for now).

It has been said again and again that he returned to Italy alone. He was seen in Naples alone, and again in Cernigola alone. Though he might appear to be playing some game with his wife's emotions, I think he has been honest all along in saying the twins are dead and he killed them.
(I so hope you are wrong truthsleuth though I know deep in my heart this is the most likely scenario )

We may never understand why he sent money in many envelopes to Irina, (there has been an explanation for that already...something along the lines that they used to fight about big withdrawals/expenses whenever they went grocery/shopping) or why he included the twins in his will (testament) if he planned to kill them. We will probably always have questions concerning choices he made. But his choice to kill the girls now seems part of his plan from the moment he took them, and I do believe they are gone forever.

They were lovely little girls who deserved a full life, and their father selfishly robbed them of that and robbed the world of what they could have contributed to it. This is such a sad story and I pray I do not encounter another one like it any time soon. (AMEN) May the girls rest in peace.

what is in purple are my answers

 

[truthsleuth]

the boat back to Italy

Hazel, I always think Matthias returned to Italy from Corsica. My error. Thick headed, I guess. Going back to France (Toulon) and then back down through Italy by car makes no sense at all. But then most of this story makes no sense.

It has been said again and again that he returned to Italy alone. He was seen in Naples alone, and again in Cerignola alone. Though he might appear to be playing some game with his wife's emotions, I think he has been honest all along in saying the twins are dead and he killed them. (I so hope you are wrong truthsleuth though I know deep in my heart this is the most likely scenario )

See, that is the thing. We know in our hearts that that is the most likely scenario, but it is so difficult to face and accept. Who wants to think that a father who claimed to love his children so much that he could not live without them would then kill them himself? That is a sick sort of love. It makes no sense. But Matthias certainly isn't the first parent to act in such an horrific way.

We may never understand why he sent money in many envelopes to Irina, (there has been an explanation for that already...something along the lines that they used to fight about big withdrawals/expenses whenever they went grocery/shopping)

I realize that is the explanation, but I don't agree with it. It seems flawed.

This is such a sad story and I pray I do not encounter another one like it any time soon. (AMEN) May the girls rest in peace.

These beautiful little girls deserved life; they deserved a complete childhood and youth; they deserved to fall in love and marry, and to have children of their own. And the potential for all of this was take from them by their father, who acted in a purely selfish and evil way. Heartbreaking, all of it.

Thanks for your comments.

 

[Hazel]

Hazel, I always think Matthias returned to Italy from Corsica. My error. Thick headed, I guess. Going back to France (Toulon) and then back down through Italy by car makes no sense at all. But then most of this story makes no sense.

See, that is the thing. We know in our hearts that that is the most likely scenario, but it is so difficult to face and accept. Who wants to think that a father who claimed to love his children so much that he could not live without them would then kill them himself? That is a sick sort of love. It makes no sense. But Matthias certainly isn't the first parent to act in such an horrific way.

I realize that is the explanation, but I don't agree with it. It seems flawed.

These beautiful little girls deserved life; they deserved a complete childhood and youth; they deserved to fall in love and marry, and to have children of their own. And the potential for all of this was take from them by their father, who acted in a purely selfish and evil way. Heartbreaking, all of it.

Thanks for your comments.

No problem truthsleuth. I'll just post this image for future reference:

 

[beandawgs]

The thing that keeps nagging me is this supposed sighting of a 'mystery woman'. If she was just an acquaintance or a passer by she would have come forward to police already. The fact that she hasn't bothers me, it tells me that if she does exist she has had some role in this tragedy. Either she helped Matthias kill the girls or has took them.

 

[Hazel]

LAST UPDATED 4:32 PM, FEBRUARY 16, 2011

Police officials from Switzerland, France and Italy meeting in Marseille today to pool leads about the possible whereabouts of the missing six-year-old twins, Alessia and Livia Schepp, have been unable to offer their distraught mother any hope that they might still be alive.

Until Sunday evening, January 30, all appeared to be in order. The girls were spotted playing with neighbouring children in St Sulpice.

But then, at 3:50 pm, Schepp sent Lucidi a text saying that instead of returning the girls that evening as planned, he would take them directly to school on Monday morning. According to police inquiries, he was still in the Lausanne area.

Lucidi texted him back at 6:20 pm saying she would prefer that he bring them to her house at 7:00 am before going to school. By this time, we now know, Schepp had actually driven across the border into France and was near Annecy. At 7:40 pm - by which time Schepp was already near Lyon - Lucidi sent him another message saying that next time they ought to organise it better. There would never be a next time.

Very comprehensive article: http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/75214,people,news,the-last-tragic-journey-of-matthias-schepp-alessia-schepp-livia

 

[bwf]

also one thing that i do not get.....why did he destroy the gps from the car????

 

[beandawgs]

I guess he destroyed the GPS because he doesn't want the mother to find the children's bodies or to find where they are if they are still alive. Kind of weird that if he did kill them that he doesn't want their bodies to be found........

 

[Wondergirl]

I have no idea what this site says, but look at these pictures of the $$ and the letters he sent to his wife.

If someone can read this, perhaps you could share if the pictures of the girls shown here, were also sent in the mail to his wife?

http://bari.repubblica.it/cronaca/2..._le_buste_con_il_denari_del_padre-12229338/2/

 

[Wondergirl]

This translated article, seems to indicate that LE is looking for another car in association with the case.

Also, LE hasn't found any evidence of the girls being outside of Switzerland.

(Could someone confirm this translation?)

Another wanted car
Following investigations conducted by the French police, investigators looking for another vehicle that has circulated in early February in Corsica.

This is a big car, dark type wagon, registered in Switzerland like the Audi father's binoculars.

Investigations conducted by the French police, Swiss and Italian are continuing and any witnesses are asked to call the hotline set up (+41 21 644 82 31).

No scientific evidence from Switzerland

For police, the priority remains to find the girls.

The track is privileged Corsica.

Fifteen inspectors work full time in Switzerland on this matter.

States have called the police received hundreds of media information including fifty telephone. Furthermore, no proof or scientific evidence of the presence of binoculars outside of Switzerland, at any place whatsoever was found.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/dossier/jumelles/story/11865543&ei=KCNcTZWvG4GglAeP9LXlCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.20min.ch/ro/news/dossier/jumelles/story/11865543%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns

 

[Wondergirl]

From the same article above:

I miss him a lot of answers in order to establish the psychological profile of Matthias and understand his mindset when he acted.

-What are the precise reasons for their separation?

-Where was the couple's divorce process?

-What are his ties with Corsica?

-Matthias had what knowledge there?

-What can be the significance of the place of suicide Mathias?

-Where has he been to school?

-At what age did he leave Canada?

-In what circumstances?

-Or what was his relationship with the water, diving?

-What was his religion? Was he practicing?

-Why was it followed by a therapist?

- Does he drink?

-Was he violent?

I would also love to have a conversation with the twin brother of Matthias (ed. note: the Vaud cantonal police is satisfied with his fingerprints that it is Matthias who was found dead in Italy-and not her brother and sister- he committed suicide). It would also be a way of understanding how Matthias worked.

The fact that he committed suicide, alone, in southern Italy after passing through the Corsica from Switzerland?



He acted in a trance with a very limited vision to get to its final point. The fact that he killed himself away from his children is not unusual.

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He said in a letter that the twins rest in peace. And indeed, not to disturb his daughters, he decided to commit suicide elsewhere. It diverts the attention of a place where children are. Whether living or not, whatever.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/dossier/jumelles/story/11865543&ei=KCNcTZWvG4GglAeP9LXlCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.20min.ch/ro/news/dossier/jumelles/story/11865543%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Divns