Intruder probability more, less, or same?

[Holdontoyourhat]

You don't know the truth any more than I do. I can only base my OPINION (like everyone else here) of what I feel is the truth based on what I know of the case. Just like you.

Either the parents are guilty (of either the death, the cover-up or both) or they are not. I think they are. You disagree. So what. I don't care that you disagree.
What I find most offensive with you is your condescending attitude towards people (not just their posts) that you disagree with.

Their "requirement" makes sense in that their child is found dead in her own home. Likelihood of parental involvement in such a case is VERY strong.
Had they NOT wrote the note suggesting a kidnapping and eventual murder of the victim, this involvement would have been hard for even soft-on-child-killers Boulder DAs to ignore.
When parents kill their kids, they always try to cover it up by pointing to an "intruder", "babysitter", "kidnapper", "carjacker", etc.

This is just one generalization after another. If you don't care that I disagree and find me offensive, put me on your ignore list instead of counterpoint-responding every time. I'm good with that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Who reads and agrees with tabloids?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Had they NOT wrote the note suggesting a kidnapping and eventual murder of the victim...

...there wouldn't have been any handwriting experts or FBI agents also getting in line to testify against them (lol).

 

[BBB167893]

Who reads and agrees with tabloids?

What does THAT have to do with anything?

 

[cynic]

A college educated mature female? U gotta be kiddn me. The vocabulary doesn't even reach middle-school. There isn't one college-level word in the entire note. Where do you get this cr@&?

cynic, you want to take that one?

Don’t mind if I do.
Dr. Roger Depue, who headed the FBI unit in charge of profiling, was asked at one point to examine the kidnap note and the circumstances surrounding it by Dr. Bertram Brown, a psychiatrist called in by Alex Hunter, then the district attorney in Boulder, Colo.
While Depue would not take a position on who killed the 6-year-old girl, he said the way the note was written fits the profile of JonBenet's mother, Patricia Ramsey. He gave his opinion before charges were dropped against John Mark Karr.
In Depue's opinion, "The writer is a well-educated, middle-age female.”
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/28/193035.shtml

Former FBI profiler Robert Ressler says:
The language has a caretaker quality and sounds like it comes from a college-educated mature female.
-Associated Press

Analysts including Bethany Dumas, a University of Tennessee linguistics professor who has testified as an expert witness, say the ransom note was a sophisticated letter written by an educated person.
"It contains fairly complex language," Dumas said.
-Denver Post

Two FBI profilers and a university linguistics professor versus the opinion of HOTYH; decisions, decisions, who should I believe?

 

[BBB167893]

JR or PR didn't get an indictment as RDI thinks should've happened had it not been for money and incompetence, right?

That's about how I'd say it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Two FBI profilers and a university linguistics professor versus the opinion of HOTYH; decisions, decisions, who should I believe?

the ransom note was a sophisticated letter written by an educated person.
"It contains fairly complex language," Dumas said.

I have no disagreement with this.

"The writer is a well-educated, middle-age female.”

This is cr@&. There's no way to infer that the ransom note author was ever a middle-aged female. Male ransom note author is not ruled out.

The language has a caretaker quality and sounds like it comes from a college-educated mature female.

This is super-cr@&. There's no way to infer that the ransom note author was ever a college educated mature female caretaker. Thats an oxymoron anyway.

Please, go and read the ransom note and come back with what you think are 'college words'.

 

[cynic]

If true then there is agreement between the RN author and JR that JR is a 'fat cat'. Why doesn't that seem very remarkable to me?

The ransom note included little-used phrases, including “fat cat.”
PR was familiar with those phrases. That is remarkable, although, undoubtedly, just another unfortunate “coincidence,” in your opinion.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The ransom note included little-used phrases, including “fat cat.”
PR was familiar with those phrases. That is remarkable, although, undoubtedly, just another unfortunate “coincidence,” in your opinion.

This case could be solved by studying the little-used phrases. It IS remarkable that PR was familiar with that phrase. Was she also familiar with S.B.T.C.?

Its the little things...

What do you think other little-used phrases are?

 

[DeeDee249]

This case could be solved by studying the little-used phrases. It IS remarkable that PR was familiar with that phrase. Was she also familiar with S.B.T.C.?

Its the little things...

What do you think other little-used phrases are?

Actually, Patsy was well-known to use acronyms in her personal correspondence AND she had the habit of putting a period between the letters. For example, she'd sign a letter P.P.R.B.A. (meaning Patricia Paugh Ramsey Bachelor of Arts).

BTW, I tried putting you on "ignore" long ago, but it really didn't work because I could still see your posts quoted in other peoples' posts. Oh well....we all have our little issues to deal with....

 

[Tadpole12]

Hey y'all.

Lack of consideration,
catagorizing others with moral condemnations, darkens the tone of an exchange. For sure it adds nothing to a discussion, but certainly gives insight into the personality makeup of another.

Takes all kinds, so I give most my consideration, but often leave the IDI discussion deflated. Best discourse, occurs with an equality and respect within the exchange.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, but the poll is bimodal.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Takes all kinds, so I give most my consideration, but often leave the IDI discussion deflated.

IDI's a hard road thats for sure. JBR would be happy someone is still on it.

 

[Tadpole12]

Hi Hotyh.

Have you abandoned the premiss that the rn was dictated to a female by the lead member of the SFF?

Why does the touch dna, IDI result invalidate the recognized patterns of vocab and the conclusions that were drawn in the first years of the case?
Do you negate the multi profiles suggested by the Ramseys, as well?

For sure, IDI wise, disregard the suggested patterns, and you're left seeing only the residual ESL pattern demonstrated by the low grammar and the 'french thought patterns' and francophone word roots that can be recognized within the rn.

Disregard the suggestions of disguise within the rn font, and your left with
the reverse image 'y's within the note, perhaps a trace of dyslexia.

With no male dna on the note how can it be determined which one of the threesome was the author?

 

[Tadpole12]

Yeah, but the poll is bimodal.

Hi Hotyh.

okay, so the poll is bimodal ......
I haven't participated in the poll, because, honestly it's the oddest of questions.
IDI is the reality of the situation; probability can not waver.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hi Hotyh.

Have you abandoned the premiss that the rn was dictated to a female by the lead member of the SFF? No. That is possible. I simply believe that sex can't be inferred solely from the language in the note. The handwriting sure isn't feminine. You'd be better off inferring PR specifically thru terms that were used. An unknown author could be male, female, or undecided.

Why does the touch dna, IDI result invalidate the recognized patterns of vocab and the conclusions that were drawn in the first years of the case?
Touch DNA test was a positive result. There was no consensus among experts that PR wrote the note. No consensus = negative result.
Do you negate the multi profiles suggested by the Ramseys, as well? You mean that a male with woman/drinking/religion/triggering event/crime movies obsessions killed JBR? No I don't negate that. Its the closest anybody has ever been to solving the case, IMO.

For sure, IDI wise, disregard the suggested patterns, and you're left seeing only the residual ESL pattern demonstrated by the low grammar and the 'french thought patterns' and francophone word roots that can be recognized within the rn.

Disregard the suggestions of disguise within the rn font, and your left with
the reverse image 'y's within the note, perhaps a trace of dyslexia.

With no male dna on the note how can it be determined which one of the threesome was the author?

I don't know that the note was or was not tested for touch DNA by Bode. Do you?

 

[Tadpole12]

I don't know that the note was or was not tested for touch DNA by Bode. Do you?

Hi Hotyh.

No for sure not.

For discussion purposes we've been operating under the assumption that the longjohns were the only material recently tested.
Of course, the possibility exists that other items tested positive for the male IDI dna, items that we, the public, are unaware of, yet make the IDI the only conclusion to be drawn at this point in time.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Hi Hotyh.

No for sure not.

For discussion purposes we've been operating under the assumption that the longjohns were the only material recently tested.
Of course, the possibility exists that other items tested positive for the male IDI dna, items that we, the public, are unaware of, yet make the IDI the only conclusion to be drawn at this point in time.

I might be wrong, but I think they destroyed the original RN during another test, years before the touch-DNA technology existed.

 

[Toltec]

This case could be solved by studying the little-used phrases. It IS remarkable that PR was familiar with that phrase. Was she also familiar with S.B.T.C.?

Its the little things...

What do you think other little-used phrases are?

Lots of words and phrases...did you read "Death of Innocence"?

Patsy uses "gentlemen" lots of times, she used "underestimated him" twice, and it is John who used most of the words dozens of times, the most being "we respected", arrange, etc...

As for the SBTC...I believe Patsy has the answer to that:

Anglicans often think of blue as the color that symbolizes mankind or humanity. Of course, red represents our redemption through the shed blood of Christ.

:waitasec:

Death of Innocence, paperback, page 254.

 

[madeleine]

Lots of words and phrases...did you read "Death of Innocence"?

Patsy uses "gentlemen" lots of times, she used "underestimated him" twice, and it is John who used most of the words dozens of times, the most being "we respected", arrange, etc...

As for the SBTC...I believe Patsy has the answer to that:

Anglicans often think of blue as the color that symbolizes mankind or humanity. Of course, red represents our redemption through the shed blood of Christ.

:waitasec:

Death of Innocence, paperback, page 254.

I always had the feeling that TC means take care (just a feeling),dunno about SB though.

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