Intruder theories only. No posts from rdi members allowed

[Mama2JML]

This excerpt from Robert Whitson's book, Injustice, provides more details about the "Amy" case. (Whitson was assigned this case during his tenure as an investigator in the BPD.):

"The victim had a plaque mounted on her bedroom wall containing her formal first name, but the victim's room was dark during the assault. All of the victim's friends called her by a nickname, not her formal name. This indicates the offender did not know the victim and the offender was inside of the victim's bedroom previously. The offender did not wear a mask or try to disguise his voice, which indicates he did not know the victim.

...

The first level doors were alarmed when the victim and her mother went to sleep, with no sign of forced entry. The second story screen door was shut with the main door open. was not allowed to come upstairs to the bedrooms.

...

One hair was collected at the scene, but it did not contain the follicle or root, so DNA testing was not possible. (Note: Researchers at Florida International University are studying a method to obtain a DNA profile from hair without a follicle or root attached.)" (Whitson, 2012)

If rope was brought in by an intruder, I can think of a number of scenarios for which it would come in handy...

 

[txsvicki]

I wonder if Burke was asked about pineapple during the grand jury. That's when the Ramsey's supposedly found out that he was awake that morning. Linda Pugh could also have known if pineapple had been bought whole or already chopped. Priscilla or FW, whoever planned their party, or knew what was in their fridge would have known if it was on their premises. That would have been backed up by guests and family. So, whatever JonBenet ate there had passed the stomach and proximal small intestine. The morsel must have been eaten a couple hours or even less before death and before the head injury. If we know she died by 1 am and lay long enough for the deep brain bleeding and swelling, then bingo, she ate it within an hour of arriving home. There's probably no way everyone went to bed then kids woke and snuck to the kitchen. Such small kids, once in bed after a very long tiring day would have stayed asleep.

 

[wengr]

The problem with Amy is that iirc, she was 14yo. So while we insinuate something, with dance lessons and cigarette butts, lets not forget that a post pubescent 14yo girl is nowhere near a prepubescent 6yo child. It's not the same thing and therefore likely not the same type of perp. Men who are incarerated for assaults against 14 year old girls will commonly assault those who commit crimes against children. In this regard we are comparing apples and airplanes.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The problem with Amy is that iirc, she was 14yo. So while we insinuate something, with dance lessons and cigarette butts, lets not forget that a post pubescent 14yo girl is nowhere near a prepubescent 6yo child. It's not the same thing and therefore likely not the same type of perp. Men who are incarerated for assaults against 14 year old girls will commonly assault those who commit crimes against children. In this regard we are comparing apples and airplanes.

And yet there are those who do not care. Men who will rape a 5 yr old or a 90 yr old. So that can not be ruled out.

 

[Landonsmom02]

BBM

To which facts are you referring? Give us some details regarding the evidence/facts Kolar presents so we can discuss them... Please.

here is one and there are more here in JBR forum discussing JK book.

Foreign Faction

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Mrs Fernie shared one additional tidbit of information with investigators that had been bothering her. She indicated that, late in the summer or early fall of 1996, she had observed damages to the latch area of an exterior screen door located on the rear south side of the Ramsey home. Mrs Fernie was concerned that perhaps a burglary attempt had been made to the home, and shared this information with Patsy.

They inspected the door and determined that the interior door exhibited no damages whatsoever. Patsy expressed no concern about the damaged screen door and suggested that perhaps John was responsible for the marks. He reportedly was always forgetting his keys and had broken into the house on other occasions.

Mrs Fernie indicated that she had seen a photograph of this same screen door displayed in an advertisement running in one of the Denver newspapers shortly after the murder. The advertisement, placed by Ramsey attorneys and taking up at least half of the page of the newspaper, purported that this may have been a possible point of entry used by the kidnapper of JonBenet.

This did not sit well with Mrs Fernie, because Patsy was fully aware that these damages had been inflicted upon the screen door weeks or months prior to the murder of JonBenet. The use of this particular photograph seemed to be an attempt to mislead the public about the evidence associated with the crime and the Fernies indicated that they severed their contact with the family following their observation of that advertisement.

Just shows more spin through camp Ramsey to try to point to an intruder. Why, if innocent, would they do this?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

here is one and there are more here in JBR forum discussing JK book.

Foreign Faction

Quote:
Mrs Fernie shared one additional tidbit of information with investigators that had been bothering her. She indicated that, late in the summer or early fall of 1996, she had observed damages to the latch area of an exterior screen door located on the rear south side of the Ramsey home. Mrs Fernie was concerned that perhaps a burglary attempt had been made to the home, and shared this information with Patsy.

They inspected the door and determined that the interior door exhibited no damages whatsoever. Patsy expressed no concern about the damaged screen door and suggested that perhaps John was responsible for the marks. He reportedly was always forgetting his keys and had broken into the house on other occasions.

Mrs Fernie indicated that she had seen a photograph of this same screen door displayed in an advertisement running in one of the Denver newspapers shortly after the murder. The advertisement, placed by Ramsey attorneys and taking up at least half of the page of the newspaper, purported that this may have been a possible point of entry used by the kidnapper of JonBenet.

This did not sit well with Mrs Fernie, because Patsy was fully aware that these damages had been inflicted upon the screen door weeks or months prior to the murder of JonBenet. The use of this particular photograph seemed to be an attempt to mislead the public about the evidence associated with the crime and the Fernies indicated that they severed their contact with the family following their observation of that advertisement.

Just shows more spin through camp Ramsey to try to point to an intruder. Why, if innocent, would they do this?

Maybe the Lawyers acted on their own? I don't know. And if the door was ALREADY damaged it could have been a point of entry.
It could be that Patsy told that door being damaged could make it easier for someone to get in..

 

[Venom]

This excerpt from Robert Whitson's book, Injustice, provides more details about the "Amy" case. (Whitson was assigned this case during his tenure as an investigator in the BPD.):

"The victim had a plaque mounted on her bedroom wall containing her formal first name, but the victim's room was dark during the assault. All of the victim's friends called her by a nickname, not her formal name. This indicates the offender did not know the victim and the offender was inside of the victim's bedroom previously. The offender did not wear a mask or try to disguise his voice, which indicates he did not know the victim.

...

The first level doors were alarmed when the victim and her mother went to sleep, with no sign of forced entry. The second story screen door was shut with the main door open. was not allowed to come upstairs to the bedrooms.

...

One hair was collected at the scene, but it did not contain the follicle or root, so DNA testing was not possible. (Note: Researchers at Florida International University are studying a method to obtain a DNA profile from hair without a follicle or root attached.)" (Whitson, 2012)

So it was dark enough that the intruder couldn't read her name off the plaque in her room, yet Amy and her mother could see enough to tell that he didn't have a mask on?

Perhaps he got in because he already knew the code to the alarm.

And after he got away with JBR, then near got caught with Amy he just up and stops? No other girls from the dance studio are targeted?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think you are confused. The intruder used her formal name. But it was too dark to see it that night, indicating he had been in the room prior to that and had read the plaque.

Since we don't know who it is, we have no idea what they did after, Death, jail, Another state...

 

[AnaTeresa]

Maybe the Lawyers acted on their own? I don't know. And if the door was ALREADY damaged it could have been a point of entry.
It could be that Patsy told that door being damaged could make it easier for someone to get in..

That's not something lawyers would do on their own - that would be something the client would pay for and would have to be okayed first.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

That's not something lawyers would do on their own - that would be something the client would pay for and would have to be okayed first.

Not necessarily true. Not if the R's trusted them and gave them the go ahead to do what they thought was right. Some lawyers are just for legal trouble. Some are paid to look out for their clients interests..

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

So which is it? Something the lawyers did on their own? Or something the R's ok?

I am still looking into it. I want clarification on the facts. More about the conversation..

Im looking into Barb Fernie now..

 

[Mama2JML]

here is one and there are more here in JBR forum discussing JK book.

Foreign Faction

Quote:
Mrs Fernie shared one additional tidbit of information with investigators that had been bothering her. She indicated that, late in the summer or early fall of 1996, she had observed damages to the latch area of an exterior screen door located on the rear south side of the Ramsey home. Mrs Fernie was concerned that perhaps a burglary attempt had been made to the home, and shared this information with Patsy.

They inspected the door and determined that the interior door exhibited no damages whatsoever. Patsy expressed no concern about the damaged screen door and suggested that perhaps John was responsible for the marks. He reportedly was always forgetting his keys and had broken into the house on other occasions.

Mrs Fernie indicated that she had seen a photograph of this same screen door displayed in an advertisement running in one of the Denver newspapers shortly after the murder. The advertisement, placed by Ramsey attorneys and taking up at least half of the page of the newspaper, purported that this may have been a possible point of entry used by the kidnapper of JonBenet.

This did not sit well with Mrs Fernie, because Patsy was fully aware that these damages had been inflicted upon the screen door weeks or months prior to the murder of JonBenet. The use of this particular photograph seemed to be an attempt to mislead the public about the evidence associated with the crime and the Fernies indicated that they severed their contact with the family following their observation of that advertisement.

Just shows more spin through camp Ramsey to try to point to an intruder. Why, if innocent, would they do this?

Good question, maybe you don't have the whole story? I wonder why the Rs would tell LE all the doors had been locked if they were guilty? Now THAT would be something to lie about, don't you think?...

Regarding the "fact" you've shared from Kolar's book; These excerpts paint a slightly different story than that which is presented in FF.

PMPT (p. 405): "The second addendum to the search warrant noted that when Sgt. Whitson first arrived at the Ramsey house, he noticed what seemed to be a pry mark on the door jamb. The damaged area 'appeared to have been less weathered than the surrounding surfaces on the door and door jamb,' the document said." (Schiller, 2000)

Ramsey Search Warrant Addendum; 12.29.96: "On December 29, 1996, Your Affiant talked to Seargent Bob Whitson of the Boulder Police Department. Seargent Whitson told Your Affiant that he responded to 755 15th Street, City and County of Boulder, State of Colorado at approximately 0930 hours on December 25, 1996 in response to the report of a kidnapping. Seargent Whitson told Your Affiant that when he arrived that the Ramsey residence, he entered through the rear exterior kitchen door. He told Your Affiant that as her entered the residence he saw what appeared to be a pry-mark in the door jamb of this door. He told Your Affiant that the mark he observed was on the exterior of the house near the door knob and lock on the door, and that the damaged area appeared to have been less weathered than the surrounding surfaces on the door and door jamb."

LE uses divisive tactics to "break" suspects. The Fernies weren't the only friends the Rs lost due to, at least partly, an environment of suspicions & mistrust the BPD knowingly created through false leaks and misrepresentations of facts, both, through the media & in conversations/interviews witnesses...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Good question, maybe you don't have the whole story? I wonder why the Rs would tell LE all the doors had been locked if they were guilty? Now THAT would be something to lie about, don't you think?...

Regarding the "fact" you've shared from Kolar's book; These excerpts paint a slightly different story than that which is presented in FF.

PMPT (p. 405): "The second addendum to the search warrant noted that when Sgt. Whitson first arrived at the Ramsey house, he noticed what seemed to be a pry mark on the door jamb. The damaged are 'appeared to have been less weathered than the surrounding surfaces on the door and door jamb,' the document said." (Schiller, 2000)

Ramsey Search Warrant Addendum; 12.29.96: "On December 29, 1996, Your Affiant talked to Seargent Bob Whitson of the Boulder Police Department. Seargent Whitson told Your Affiant that he responded to 755 15th Street, City and County of Boulder, State of Colorado at approximately 0930 hours on December 25, 1996 in response to the report of a kidnapping. Seargent Whitson told Your Affiant that when he arrived that the Ramsey residence, he entered through the rear exterior kitchen door. He told Your Affiant that as her entered the residence he saw what appeared to be a pry-mark in the door jamb of this door. He told Your Affiant that the mark he observed was on the exterior of the house near the door knob and lock on the door, and that the damaged area appeared to have been less weathered than the surrounding surfaces on the door and door jamb."

LE uses divisive tactics to "break" suspects. The Fernies weren't the only friends the Rs lost due to, at least partly, an environment of suspicions & mistrust the BPD knowingly created through false leaks and misrepresentations of facts, both, through the media & in conversations/interviews witnesses...

From what I have read so far I am not sure about the validity of Barbara Fernies statements. Or purported statements.

 

[Kimster]

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