• #381
Love the top part.

NEW: The US-Israeli combined force appears to be increasingly targeting the Iranian internal security apparatus, which is consistent with the US-Israeli stated objective of toppling the Iranian regime.

Other Key Takeaways:
The regime has formed a leadership council to temporarily assume the responsibilities of the supreme leader. The council includes the president, the judiciary chief, and a senior hardline cleric.

The IDF outlined a three-phase plan to achieve air superiority over western and central Iran, which will enable the combined force to achieve its objectives. This approach mirrors what Israel did in June 2025.

Iran may have started attacking maritime traffic around the Strait of Hormuz. Iran seeks to impose a cost on the United States and its partners and compel them to pursue a ceasefire before toppling the regime.

Iran has sustained its missile and drone strikes across the region, some of which have impacted civilian locations around the Gulf and Israel.

 
  • #382
I make the distinction between the people of Iran and the rulers of Iran. I listened to news this morning, and the person who spoke (he is Iranian living in the US) said the people of Iran are smart, want to live in peace and want to live in a democracy where they are free to elect their leaders. He supported the attack against the leaders. I am not knowledgeable about the country, he is. I support the decision to help the Iranians gain back their country. As for why we should be the ones working alongside Israel (and now other countries in the area), Iran leaders were a threat not only to their citizens, but also other countries. They were still working at developing nuclear weapons, and that alone meant they needed to be removed by force. Diplomacy has been tried by many, it hasn't worked. The leaders were not to be trusted. JMO
 
  • #383
Is Wikipedia seriously considered a credible source?

I tried to search WS's but don't see either way. But what would stop any of us from editing and then linking to it?

I shared it because their links and postings need to be credibly sourced. You can go on the page yourself and look at any and all links shared to support the assertions. It’s true that “anyone” can edit a Wikipedia page, but they are usually quite strict about making sure that postings follow their guidelines.

If that is unacceptable to you, though, here’s a paper from .gov website which has collected his litany of lies: Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years. Here’s a CNN article debunking at least 100 false claims he made in his first 100 days in office. Here’s an article on an NBC Washington news site about all the lies Trump has asserted ahead of his State of the Union address.

Need more? Because I have plenty.
 
  • #384
NO LINK TO SOURCE ... NO POST !!!

If you don't know that a source is approved, don't link to it unless you have pre-approval from either a Mod or an Admin..

No, the social media account of some kid named Brayden is not an approved source.

No, this is not the place to discuss Jeffrey Epstein, Clinton, Obama, Regan or George Washington for that matter.

No, this is not the place to start bickering because you don't agree with someone's opinion. It is their opinion. There is no need to attack another member because they have a different take, a different background, a different whatever, and a different think than you do. (You may quietly sit there and think "Jerk, nincompoop, dumba$$, etc" but you don't get to call them that or argue with them. They think differently than you do !! Just mentally do an eyeroll and move on past.

I'm sure we've missed a lot of violations, but we are reopening the thread in about 10 minutes.

Members who derail the thread will be thread banned.

Bringing this forward so the thread does not get shut down!

per the post linked:

No, this is not the place to discuss Jeffrey Epstein, Clinton, Obama, Regan or George Washington for that matter.
Members who derail the thread will be thread banned.
 
  • #385
Thick plumes of smoke rise over the residential areas of the Iranian capital following airstrikes amid ongoing U.S.–Israel attacks as multiple explosions are heard across the city in Tehran, Iran on March 01, 2026. [Fatemeh Bahrami/Anadolu Agency]

Plumes of smoke rise over residential Tehran amid ongoing United States-Israeli strikes, March 1, 2026
The capital was rocked numerous times on Sunday after a series of attacks hit multiple neighbourhoods, with the Israeli army saying military centres were among the targets. Iranian authorities have largely refrained from discussing missile impacts, and internet connectivity remained almost entirely blocked for a second day.

By laws put into motion after the country’s 1979 Islamic Revolution, a clerical body called the Assembly of Experts is tasked with selecting the next supreme leader.

Masoud Pezeshkian, the Iranian president, said that a new leadership council “has begun its work” after the death of Khamenei. Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi told Al Jazeera the process should be complete within days.

"What is certain is that after this attack, we cannot be expected to look forward to the World Cup with hope," Mehdi Taj told sports portal Varzesh3 as Iran traded strikes with Israel as part of a widening war prompted by the bombardment.

Iran has been drawn in Group G at the World Cup and is scheduled to play in Los Angeles -- where it faces New Zealand and Belgium on June 15 and 21, respectively -- before it plays Egypt in Seattle on June 26.

The United States is hosting the tournament with Canada and Mexico from June 11-July 19.

Fans from Iran were already banned from entering the U.S. in the first iteration of the travel ban announced by the Trump administration.

In a statement released on social media, UNESCO expressed deep alarm at the impact of the military attacks, which continued into Sunday, and noted that pupils in a place dedicated to learning are protected under international humanitarian law, and that “attacks against educational institutions endanger students and teachers and undermine the right to education.”

UNESCO joined a host of bodies from across the United Nations system and senior officials, including Secretary-General António Guterres, to condemn the military attacks, as well as the retaliatory strikes by Iran that hit several Middle Eastern countries.

The killing of civilians, especially children, is unconscionable, and I condemn it unequivocally,” she said in a social media post, and called for the escalation of violence across the region to end, and for justice and accountability to follow.

“All states and parties must uphold their obligations under international law to protect civilians and safeguard schools,” she wrote. “Every child deserves to live and learn in peace.”
 
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  • #386
We'll certainly have to disagree.

European governments haven't been able to do anything for nigh on 80 years because they've been too weak and they've been told what to do by the United States. That's the only reason there has been peace in Europe, despite what they claim. There are plenty of examples of European countries getting involved in other peoples' business after WW2 and there are plenty of examples of the United States telling them to behave.

As soon as they feel stronger though, off they go with their "partnerships in the east" and "spreading democracy". You only have to read the European Union constitution, as per their own documents, to understand how special these people think they are with their liberty, charity and law. Apparently, nobody else has that: only Europe. Never mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the rest of the world are scratching their heads thinking: what? liberty and charity? 'joking surely.

As said, no surprise that Britain and France were the two countries straining at the leash to get involved in Ukraine until told to stop being so stupid by the United States. Old habits die hard.

Anyway, that's not to say this is a defence of the United States. It's not. There's no defence for attacking people, and I remember 1986 when The Sandinistas, a rag-tag outfit, were turned into the Mongol Hordes by the United States government that set up a propaganda department.

All I'm saying is: pound for pound, you're not anywhere near as bad as Europe in terms of government propaganda and the people believing it. No consolation I suppose when it comes to what really matters.
Yeah, we’ll disagree on this Jimmy. Just know that I appreciate your opinion! You’re living there and I’m not (although I wish I were!).
 
  • #387
SBMFF

They have? This is a far cry from Enduring Freedom or Iraqi Freedom or Babylift. There's a huge difference in the naming of our operations with this president.

MOO.
I mean we had "Operation Urgent Fury" in the 80's, and "Operation Rolling Thunder" in the Vietnam era.

I think my favorite name was "Operation Overlord," which was the invasion of Normandy.
 
  • #388
Off topic?
Missy, I don’t think this is off topic because our administration has lied to us so many times before. I mean this with total respect for you, because we all have our opinions. No one should be castigated for voicing an opinion.

My thing is that I hate the loss of life on all sides. I’ve been through way too much of this in my life. MOO
 
  • #389
I mean we had "Operation Urgent Fury" in the 80's, and "Operation Rolling Thunder" in the Vietnam era.

I think my favorite name was "Operation Overlord," which was the invasion of Normandy.
That was before even my time, but not by much lol. MOO
 
  • #390
Oh this is interesting:

Khamenei’s death a ‘step forward’, says nephew​

The death of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei offers hope to the country, says his nephew, a France-based doctor opposed to the Islamic Republic.

“Like most Iranians, I am happy,” Mahmoud Moradkhani, the son of one of Khamenei’s sisters, said by telephone from his home in northern France.

“I am very happy about the death of Ali Khamenei. I think it’s a step forward, a hope,” AFP news agency quoted him as saying.

“War and military interventions slow down a bit political process, which is a bit regrettable, but maybe we had to go through this step,” said Moradkhani.

He predicted the regime is unlikely to survive Khamenei’s killing. “The regime’s internal rivalries are such and it won’t be able to resist them, it’ll have to disappear and give the power to the people.”



I'm sure he's biased, but it's good to hear something from someone who knows something about the internal workings of the current Iranian regime.

A bit of an aside.... but sometimes I just think that some Americans are watching this as a sporting match... To WIN..
I think we have to take note of the increasing world chaos.
America has never been invaded in more recent military history... we always get to be watchers... not anywhere near the thick of things........

But watching India is interesting with its chaos. Canada is meeting with Modi on some important joint ventures, so relationships with North America have been solid.
But
Interestingly, the government of India, which has had warm relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran, has not issued any formal statement on Khamenei’s killing yet. The Narendra Modi government had on Saturday expressed concerns over the escalation of tensions in the Middle East, with the United States, Israel and Iran all firing missiles.'
and,
The Indian National Congress (INC) unequivocally condemns the targeted assassination of Iran's Supreme Leader
and,
“Strongly condemned the attacks on the UAE and condoled the loss of lives in these attacks,” said Modi.

and,
“India stands in solidarity with the UAE in these difficult times,
 
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  • #391
Helene Cooper
March 1, 2026, 3:14 p.m. ET3 minutes ago
Helene Cooper

National security reporter
The United States continued a barrage of strikes on Sunday targeting Iran’s ballistic missile program and trying to sink the Iranian Navy, a Central Command official said. American stealth bombers, armed with 2,000 pound bombs, struck Iran’s “hardened” ballistic missile facilities, Central Command said in one statement Sunday. “No nation should ever doubt America’s resolve.”

Central Command also said that, so far, American strikes have hit the Joint Headquarters of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, its Aerospace Forces Headquarters, Iranian air defense systems, ballistic missile sites, submarines and anti-ship missile sites.

 
  • #392
In the grim calculus of war, Iran now has to hope it gets lucky. The first hours of the joint US-Israeli assault were catastrophic for the Iranian regime: the supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, killed alongside, it is believed, the minister of defence, the head of the armed forces and the head of the powerful Revolutionary Guards.

Iran knew its security apparatus had been compromised during the 12-day war of June 2025 when Israel killed a string of senior military commanders. During January’s street protests, Khamenei was moved away to a secure location for his own safety, yet on Saturday he felt safe enough to hold a security meeting in his compound in Tehran.

The CIA had picked up on the fact of the meeting in advance and passed its intelligence to the Israelis. A handful of Israeli fighter jets flew for about two hours and struck the compound with around 30 long-range missiles


Economy and Industry Minister Nir Barkat called for Israel to continue Operation Roaring Lion at full force on Sunday, urging Israel not to miss the opportunity to attack Iran.

“Israel conducting beheadings in Iran is a drama that must not be missed," he said.
 
  • #393
Oh this is interesting:

Khamenei’s death a ‘step forward’, says nephew​

The death of Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei offers hope to the country, says his nephew, a France-based doctor opposed to the Islamic Republic.

“Like most Iranians, I am happy,” Mahmoud Moradkhani, the son of one of Khamenei’s sisters, said by telephone from his home in northern France.

“I am very happy about the death of Ali Khamenei. I think it’s a step forward, a hope,” AFP news agency quoted him as saying.

“War and military interventions slow down a bit political process, which is a bit regrettable, but maybe we had to go through this step,” said Moradkhani.

He predicted the regime is unlikely to survive Khamenei’s killing. “The regime’s internal rivalries are such and it won’t be able to resist them, it’ll have to disappear and give the power to the people.”



I'm sure he's biased, but it's good to hear something from someone who knows something about the internal workings of the current Iranian regime.

This, within the top article is very interesting as well..... We shall see how this changes over the days and weeks.

Only 25% of Americans support US strikes on Iran: Poll

Only one in four Americans approves ⁠of the ⁠US strikes that killed Iran’s leader while about half – including one ⁠in four Republicans – believe President Donald Trump is too willing to use military ⁠force.

Some 56 percent of Americans surveyed said they think Trump – who also ordered strikes on Venezuela, ⁠Syria, and Nigeria in recent months – is too willing to use military force to advance US interests.
 
  • #394
Summary of casualties so far ... unverified

"Iran ... at least 24 of Iran's 31 provinces have come under fire. The death toll was reported to be over 200 and the number injured 700.
...

Israel ... at least ten people were reported dead and over 120 injured. The city of Beit Shemesh reports nine dead, with the death toll now at twenty. The death toll is expected to rise further, as emergency workers are still searching for survivors under the rubble.
...

US ... at least 3 soldiers have been killed. Five soldiers were seriously injured. Several others suffered minor injuries or concussions.
...

Iraq ... two people had been killed in the north of the country. A pro-Iranian militia member was reportedly bombed by Israeli or American forces.

 
  • #395
This, within the top article is very interesting as well..... We shall see how this changes over the days and weeks.

Only 25% of Americans support US strikes on Iran: Poll

Only one in four Americans approves ⁠of the ⁠US strikes that killed Iran’s leader while about half – including one ⁠in four Republicans – believe President Donald Trump is too willing to use military ⁠force.

Some 56 percent of Americans surveyed said they think Trump – who also ordered strikes on Venezuela, ⁠Syria, and Nigeria in recent months – is too willing to use military force to advance US interests.
Doesn't this result depend on who took part in the survey? People frequently manipulate statistics to try and back up a certain opinion.
 
  • #396
Iran is attempting to shut down the global flow of oil with its threats to close the Strait of Hormuz, which is the only waterway connecting the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Oman.

Shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, a critical waterway for global energy supplies, has slowed to a near standstill after insurers warned they would cancel policies and raise premiums.

The leaders of France, Germany and the UK condemned the “indiscriminate” attacks by Iran across the Middle East, threatening “proportionate defensive action” to defend their interests.

They added that Iran’s “reckless” attacks had targeted allies and threatened civilian and military personnel.

“We call on Iran to stop these reckless attacks immediately,” President Emmanuel Macron, prime minister Keir Starmer and chancellor Friedrich Merz said in a statement on Sunday night.
 
  • #397
I went to US Department of Defense schools that were ON military bases. My junior high was NEXT to a military base, because the DOD school did not have a junior high school. I went to these schools in Japan, New Jersey and Vandenberg AFB. Vandenberg was the Soviets wet dream bombing target. It was where all the missiles were. I wouldn't consider our military sick and evil.

Thanks for speaking up on this...because I was only coming from a friend of a friend perspective!

I questioned a bestie about schools near bases (she, too was a military adventurer (i.e.brat) in many different asian, european and North American bases. She laughed...., saying schools were ALWAYS near bases.
 
  • #398
That seems extremely optimistic to me that the United States can continue this "operation" without further involvement of US troops.
 
  • #399
  • #400
Doesn't this result depend on who took part in the survey? People frequently manipulate statistics to try and back up a certain opinion.

of course... it was in that very detailed and comprehensive article linked to it. So the source is made clear.
And any poll in one day after war/military actions start booming away, must be taken --lightly...
BUT I do believe it will be healthy for all of us to continue to see how polling is capturing public views and opinions in all countries involved. As well as countries and peoples watching.
 

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