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  • #701
  • #702
Are you saying that as a former Marine you know exactly how the entire military and pentagon works?
I have a former one in my family, he took orders, not knowing decisions at all
In my experience as a Formation Chief Warrant Officer (NATO OR-9/US E-9 equivelancy), of a NATO ally, who was employed variously within our CJOC (Joint Operations Command), SOF (Special Operations Forces Command) and our NDHQ (National Defence Headquarters) I can assure you that's how it works.

In my lower-ranking/younger days, I took orders from my superiors. As I moved up the ranks, I began giving and taking orders. Small Hand/Big Map. I've done the job of the individual below me and I know the job of the individual above me (lest that higher up become 'unavailable' and I need to step into their role [the Iranian Regime is getting some real experience in that these past few days]). Generals are being replaced by Generals who are also not incompetent and whom understand the role of their superior. That factoid ensures effectiveness and critical continuity. I am quite certain that any cvilian business' counter clerk or department manager, for examples, do not know what the CFO or CEO is doing today either ... or why.

I have been directly involved with Joint Planning (and also fighting alongside) with our allied nations for Operations in conflict areas overseas. The Planners (aka 'Planimals') use many tools to develop numerous COAs (Courses of Action) or the decision maker who then chooses the option and gives the "go/no go" order). The order they give is based upon our plans. The planners of this current operation are still at work as they will adapt (and overcome) the plan selected based on fluidity and the situation on the ground in real-time/as it occurs. These planners will continue to inform the figureheads until 'stop' happens. It's just the way it is. Check out the "pizza tracker" for the Pentgon for real time on just how hard they are working this operation.

Our plans, because "WE" do this for a living, always incorporate minimizing the risk to our own personnel (and civilian casualties) precisely because "WE" were once them and "WE" all want to come home safely once those plans have been executed. There is nothing worse than having one of your troops not make it back home safely at mission's end (experience again).
 
  • #703
  • #704
Sounds like we're getting off topic. This thread is turning into a pissing contest over military bona fides. Enough.
 
  • #705
For nearly half a century, the Islamic Republic of Iran — the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism — has killed and maimed American citizens and service members through its own forces and proxy militias. More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth.

...
SBM

by my math, taking the white house list of americans killed by iran at face value, iran has killed 990 americans. and that's ignoring the fact that they seem to be double-counting some iraq casualties.

this is a smaller number than the 3000+ who were killed by al qaeda. it is simply false to say iran has killed more americans than any other terrorist regime on earth.
 
  • #706
In my experience as a Formation Chief Warrant Officer (NATO OR-9/US E-9 equivelancy), of a NATO ally, who was employed variously within our CJOC (Joint Operations Command), SOF (Special Operations Forces Command) and our NDHQ (National Defence Headquarters) I can assure you that's how it works.

In my lower-ranking/younger days, I took orders from my superiors. As I moved up the ranks, I began giving and taking orders. Small Hand/Big Map. I've done the job of the individual below me and I know the job of the individual above me (lest that higher up become 'unavailable' and I need to step into their role [the Iranian Regime is getting some real experience in that these past few days]). Generals are being replaced by Generals who are also not incompetent and whom understand the role of their superior. That factoid ensures effectiveness and critical continuity. I am quite certain that any cvilian business' counter clerk or department manager, for examples, do not know what the CFO or CEO is doing today either ... or why.

I have been directly involved with Joint Planning (and also fighting alongside) with our allied nations for Operations in conflict areas overseas. The Planners (aka 'Planimals') use many tools to develop numerous COAs (Courses of Action) or the decision maker who then chooses the option and gives the "go/no go" order). The order they give is based upon our plans. The planners of this current operation are still at work as they will adapt (and overcome) the plan selected based on fluidity and the situation on the ground in real-time/as it occurs. These planners will continue to inform the figureheads until 'stop' happens. It's just the way it is. Check out the "pizza tracker" for the Pentgon for real time on just how hard they are working this operation.

Our plans, because "WE" do this for a living, always incorporate minimizing the risk to our own personnel (and civilian casualties) precisely because "WE" were once them and "WE" all want to come home safely once those plans have been executed. There is nothing worse than having one of your troops not make it back home safely at mission's end (experience again).
Thank you!! I wish we could just stop with the questioning and challenging. It's insulting to those that serve and to those making the decisions. There will be a time to question or change how things are done in the future based on the results of the past, however now is not the time. This is a 3 day old conflict and things are fluid and decisions are being made as needed based on current activities and discovery. Let's all just come together and be grateful that a tyrant has left this earth and this may be a real opportunity for a new Iran. Pray for everyone involved and in area! Adding JMO.
 
  • #707
Yes
He cut 20% of 4 star generals
A purge of over a dozen top leaders including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the vice chief head of Global strike command and the Air Force Special ops command as an example
I highly doubt he has any respect an it’s well known he had no experience
Is there any support for you assertions?
Obama did more than what you allege, relieving over 190 top officers of duty.
 
  • #708

Israel tells residents of more than 50 villages in Lebanon to evacuate​


Israel has told residents of more than 50 towns and villages in Lebanon to evacuate, as it warned of attacks.

People in the identified areas must move at least 1,000 metres away to open areas.

"For your safety, you must evacuate your homes immediately and move at least 1,000 metres away from the villages to open areas," the warning says.

"Anyone who is near Hezbollah members, its facilities or its military assets is putting their life at risk."

The villages listed are: Sarifa, Maaroub, Selaa (Tyre), Debaal, Bafliyeh, Barish, Arzoun, Qlayleh, Al-Shahabiya (Tayr Zibna), Dardghaya, Bastiyat, Arab Salim, Housh al-Rafqa, Yahmar (West Bekaa), Maydoun, Dalafi, Ain Qana, Knisseh, Mansouri (Tyre), Majdal Zoun, Mazraat Buyout al-Sayyad, Jabal al-Butm, Zibqin, Al-Samaya, Aytit, Qana, Al-Bayyada (Tyre), Deir Aames, Aita al-Jabal (al-Zout), Hanine (Bint Jbeil), Haris, Haddatha, Mahrouna, Beit Lif, Yater (Bint Jbeil), Shaqra, Houla, Baraachit, Bint Jbeil, Jmaijmeh, Aitaroun, Safad al-Battikh, Al-Bazourieh, Aaynata, Hanawiya, Jannata, Burj al-Shamali, Maarakeh, Siddiqine, Al-Majadel, Wadi Jilo, Drouiss (Baalbek), and Mais al-Jabal.

MOO, this makes me so very sad. Where are these displaced people supposed to go? MOO
 
  • #709
  • #710
For nearly half a century, the Islamic Republic of Iran — the world’s leading state sponsorof terrorism — has killed and maimed American citizens and service members through its own forces and proxy militias. More Americans have been killed by Iran than any other terrorist regime on Earth.

President Donald J. Trump is doing what Presidents over the last five decades have refused to do — eliminate the threat once and for all. By destroying Iran’s missiles, annihilating their navy, and ensuring they can never obtain a nuclear weapon, the Trump Administration’s bold and decisive action is protecting American lives and advancing American interests.

Here is only a partial record of the Iranian regime’s blood-soaked war on Americans:

  • November 1979: Iranian students, backed by the regime, seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran — taking 66 Americans hostage in a 444-day standoff.
  • April 1983: The Islamic Jihad, an Iran-backed terrorist group, carried out a suicide car bombing at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 17 Americans.
  • October 1983: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 241 U.S. military personnel — including 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel — in a truck bombing at a Marine compound in Beirut.
  • March 1984: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists kidnapped CIA station chief William Buckley on his way to work in Beirut, ultimately killing him the following year.
  • September 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed 23 innocent people — includingtwo American service members — in a car bomb attack at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut.
  • December 1984: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked Kuwait Airways Flight 221 en route to Pakistan, diverting it to Tehran — where they brutally tortured and killed two American officials.
  • June 1985: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists hijacked TWA Flight 847 on its way from Athens to Rome, torturing a U.S. Navy diver before shooting him point blank in the head and tossing his body onto the Beirut airport tarmac.
  • July 1989: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed U.S. Marine Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while serving with a United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon.
  • April 1995: Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorists killed eight people — including one American citizen — in a car bomb attack in the Gaza Strip.
  • August 1995: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers, and wounding more than 100 others.
  • February 1996: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber blew up another bus in Jerusalem, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans.
  • March 1996: A suicide bomber linked to the Iran-backed Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist groups killed 20 people — including two Americans — in a suicide bombing at a Tel Aviv shopping center.
  • May 1996: Iran-backed terrorists killed an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounded another American citizen in the West Bank.
  • June 1996: Iran-backed Hezbollah Al-Hijaz terrorists killed 19 U.S. Airmen and wounded nearly 500 others in a truck bombing at a U.S. Air Force housing complex in Saudi Arabia.
  • September 1997: Iran-backed Hamas suicide bombers blew themselves up at a shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing an American-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens.
  • August 1998: Al-Qaeda suicide bombers, facilitated by Iran-backed Hezbollah, simultaneously bombed U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people — including a dozen American citizens.
  • August 2001: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a Jerusalem pizzeria, killing three Americans.
  • January 2002: An Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade terrorist killed an American-Israeli dual citizen in the West Bank.
  • July 2002: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist killed five Americans in a bombing at Hebrew University in Jerusalem.
  • June 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas suicide bomber killed 17 people — including an American citizen — on a bus in Jerusalem.
  • October 2003: Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees terrorists killed three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.
  • Between 2003 and 2011: Iran-backed militias killed at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq — “roughly one in every six American combat fatalities in Iraq.”
  • August 2003: An Iran-backed Hamas terrorist blew up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American.
  • August 2006: Iran-backed Hezbollah terrorists killed American citizen and Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier Michael Levin during the Second Lebanon War — the only American to die in the conflict.
  • January 2007: A dozen men affiliated with Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force killed five U.S. soldiers and wounded three others in Karbala, Iraq, after disguisingthemselves as U.S. soldiers and entering the Provincial Joint Coordination Center.
  • March 2007: Former FBI Agent Robert Levinson disappeared in Iran, likely dying in an Iranian prison.
  • July 2014: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed two American citizens serving in the IDF.
  • October 2015: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed an American citizen and his wife in a drive-by shooting in the West Bank.
  • December 2019: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed an American civilian contractor and wounded several U.S. service members in a rocket attack at K1 Air Base in Kirkuk, Iraq.
  • January 2020: 109 U.S. troops suffered traumatic brain injuries in an Iranian ballistic missile attack on the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq.
  • September 2020: U.S. intelligence indicated the Iranian regime was considering a plot to assassinate the U.S. Ambassador to South Africa.
  • February 2021: An Iran-backed militia fired a rocket at coalition forces in Erbil, Iraq, wounding a U.S. service member and four U.S. civilian contractors.
  • July 2021: Iranian-backed militias wounded two U.S. service members in a series of rocket and drone attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria.
  • September 2022: An Iranian rocket attack killed an American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.
  • November 2022: An IRGC captain orchestrated the killing of an American citizen in Baghdad.
  • March 2023: An Iranian drone attack killed an American contractor and wounded five U.S. service members and another contractor in a strike on a coalition base in Syria.
  • October 2023: Iran-backed Hamas terrorists killed 46 Americans and kidnapped at least 12 Americans in the October 7th massacre.
  • December 2023: Iran-backed militias wounded three U.S. service members in an attack on Erbil Air Base in Iraq.
  • January 2024: Iran-backed Kataib Hezbollah terrorists killed three U.S. service members and wounded more than 40 other service members in a drone attack against the Tower 22 military base in Jordan.
  • Between October 2003 and November 2024: Iran and its proxies conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East, wounding more than 180 U.S. service members and killing three service members.
  • November 2024: An Iranian national and IRGC asset was charged for plotting to assassinate President Trump.
  • June 2025: Iran-backed militias attacked at least three U.S. bases in Syria and two U.S. bases in Iraq.
 
  • #711
  • #712
Is Mr. Beat approved? I've never heard of this individual and this looks like an opinion.
He's a teacher so I hope he is.
 
  • #713
MOO, this makes me so very sad. Where are these displaced people supposed to go? MOO
Lebanon is now pressing Hezbollah as well. Which is good to see. Lebanon has long suffered at the hands of Hezbollah/Iran and now finally sees a chance to rid itself of them.

 
  • #714
SBM

by my math, taking the white house list of americans killed by iran at face value, iran has killed 990 americans. and that's ignoring the fact that they seem to be double-counting some iraq casualties.

this is a smaller number than the 3000+ who were killed by al qaeda. it is simply false to say iran has killed more americans than any other terrorist regime on earth.
Al Qaeda is a terrorist entity. Iran is a terror regime (acting themselves, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis).

Only one of them is a state actor, and the long term risks are far greater.
 
  • #715
  • #716
He's a teacher so I hope he is.
I believe he’s just quoting the article shared here earlier about the Pentagon telling Congress there was no imminent threat of Iran striking any US targets prior to Trump bombing them.

 
  • #717
  • #718
Ok thanks! I have heard commentary saying a few days, but I do not recall that Trump himself said that. Searching and even asking AI to search for me, I couldn't come up with anything from him.

Google controls what its AI says about Trump. Restrictive.

As of late 2025 and early 2026, reports indicate a complex and shifting relationship between Google and the second Trump administration, with evidence suggesting that Google's AI tools have been adjusted to handle queries regarding Donald Trump differently than other political figures.
 
  • #719
Is there any support for you assertions?
Obama did more than what you allege, relieving over 190 top officers of duty.
Cough. Get the real facts please.
 
  • #720

Israel tells residents of more than 50 villages in Lebanon to evacuate​


Israel has told residents of more than 50 towns and villages in Lebanon to evacuate, as it warned of attacks.

People in the identified areas must move at least 1,000 metres away to open areas.

"For your safety, you must evacuate your homes immediately and move at least 1,000 metres away from the villages to open areas," the warning says.

"Anyone who is near Hezbollah members, its facilities or its military assets is putting their life at risk."

The villages listed are: Sarifa, Maaroub, Selaa (Tyre), Debaal, Bafliyeh, Barish, Arzoun, Qlayleh, Al-Shahabiya (Tayr Zibna), Dardghaya, Bastiyat, Arab Salim, Housh al-Rafqa, Yahmar (West Bekaa), Maydoun, Dalafi, Ain Qana, Knisseh, Mansouri (Tyre), Majdal Zoun, Mazraat Buyout al-Sayyad, Jabal al-Butm, Zibqin, Al-Samaya, Aytit, Qana, Al-Bayyada (Tyre), Deir Aames, Aita al-Jabal (al-Zout), Hanine (Bint Jbeil), Haris, Haddatha, Mahrouna, Beit Lif, Yater (Bint Jbeil), Shaqra, Houla, Baraachit, Bint Jbeil, Jmaijmeh, Aitaroun, Safad al-Battikh, Al-Bazourieh, Aaynata, Hanawiya, Jannata, Burj al-Shamali, Maarakeh, Siddiqine, Al-Majadel, Wadi Jilo, Drouiss (Baalbek), and Mais al-Jabal.

It's sad that Hezbollah and other terrorists want to put themselves right in the middle of civilian populations. I am thankful Israel is trying to limit civilian casualties by issuing the warning. Maybe Hezbollah needs to set up outside of town and village away from innocent civilians instead of trying to put those innocent people in harm's way. Or maybe they should just quit firing on Israel altogether.
 

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