GUILTY Ireland - Anastasia Kriegel, 14, Found deceased, Lucan, Co Dublin, 14 May 2018 *minors arrested*

[mrazda71]

The way they described his speech sounds “stilted” to me.

Stilted speech - Wikipedia

Too professorial, too bookish, too adult. And these Legos. What do you make of them?

I wonder if boy B could have potentially become a social outcast himself, but unlike Ana, flew under the radar.

Such kids would do everything to stay in the “popular” group, and boy A, as I understand, was at least popular himself.

I think the Lego comment is rubbish. The comment of someone who himself considers Lego 'childish' ... long gone are those days!

 

[Kikixxxx]

What’s the Lego comment? Did he ask for Lego when he was in detention? I vaguely remember reading something

 

[mrazda71]

What’s the Lego comment? Did he ask for Lego when he was in detention? I vaguely remember reading something

Yes someone (Garda maybe or psych) said boy B had asked for Lego and it was said in support of sweet innocent boy B's naivety.

 

[Kiranerys]

Yes someone (Garda maybe or psych) said boy B had asked for Lego and it was said in support of sweet innocent boy B's naivety.

My brother in law loves Lego and hes nearly 50

 

[mrazda71]

My brother in law loves Lego and hes nearly 50

Me too and my 24 year old daughter just paid £200 for Simpsons Lego ... it's an investment as the sets don't lose value these days... no longer just a 'kids toy'

 

[Kiranerys]

Me too and my 24 year old daughter just paid £200 for Simpsons Lego ... it's an investment as the sets don't lose value these days... no longer just a 'kids toy'

Yeah,he has a ton of Harry Potter Lego in his attic!.

 

[Edinlass]

What’s the Lego comment? Did he ask for Lego when he was in detention? I vaguely remember reading something

Lego. Not again.

 

[Kikixxxx]

Lego. Not again.

Ahahaha

 

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[Charlot123]

I think the Lego comment is rubbish. The comment of someone who himself considers Lego 'childish' ... long gone are those days!

We were not there. Maybe it was the whole entourage, the context of the situation.

 

[mrazda71]

We were not there. Maybe it was the whole entourage, the context of the situation.

So sorry but, I'm not sure i understand your point?

Boy B's defence team hired a child psychologist to write a report on Boy A that would be used as evidence in his defence - as in one that was favourable ... it was deemed inadmissible anyway. It was the opinion of 1 person.

My point was that requesting Lego doesn't show 'childish innocence' ... Lego is no longer considered a 'childs toy'.

Profile: Boy B was the only child in Oberstown to ever ask for Lego - Independent.ie

 

[Frizby]

So sorry but, I'm not sure i understand your point?

Boy B's defence team hired a child psychologist to write a report on Boy A that would be used as evidence in his defence - as in one that was favourable ... it was deemed inadmissible anyway. It was the opinion of 1 person.

My point was that requesting Lego doesn't show 'childish innocence' ... Lego is no longer considered a 'childs toy'.

Profile: Boy B was the only child in Oberstown to ever ask for Lego - Independent.ie

Boy B's defence team hired the psychologist to write a report on Boy B, not boy A. The purpose of the report they said was to explain why he had told so many lies. It was highly prejudicial and one sided, the psychologist even said that he used the words untruths as he did not want to us the word lies. Psychologist said he did not believe that Boy B knew Ana was going to be murdered. Judge deemed it inadmissible saying it was up to the jury to make up their minds and entering it was akin to having the psychologist as the 13th Jury member, said the report was full of jargon. I suspect the lego comment being included was for the purpose of separating him from all those other boys in Oberstown, making him out to be much more childish and innocent.

 

[Kikixxxx]

I’m just reading the blood analysis report again, it says there was a lot pooling of blood on the carpet which implies ana had been attacked there and bled here heavily for “some time” before being possibly dragged to the other end of the room where police eventually found her.
Ana wouldn’t have arrived at the house until around 5.25 and by 6pm both boys have left. Is that enough time for boy a to attack her and sexually abuse her, let her bleed out for “some time” and then move her body to the other end of the room. I’m really considering he’s went back in the days after the murder possibly and moved her then? I Still can’t work out why his semen was only found on her vest top too, and who’s is the 3rd male dna sample? Has he come back with another friend maybe in the days after?

 

[Charlot123]

So sorry but, I'm not sure i understand your point?

Boy B's defence team hired a child psychologist to write a report on Boy A that would be used as evidence in his defence - as in one that was favourable ... it was deemed inadmissible anyway. It was the opinion of 1 person.

My point was that requesting Lego doesn't show 'childish innocence' ... Lego is no longer considered a 'childs toy'.

Profile: Boy B was the only child in Oberstown to ever ask for Lego - Independent.ie

I don’t think it is about LEGO per se. I think perhaps what they saw was lack of understanding that he totally messed up his life? That we was looking into a long prison term, first, with other boys, some of them violent, and then, with adult criminals?

 

[L White]

Personally, I wondered if the Lego comment amongst others was going to be an allusion to a diagnosis of ASD.

My son was big into Lego and the place he was diagnosed actually had a huge collection.

Sorry if anyone finds that stereotypical or anything- but it was my instant thought when in read it with the other comments.

 

[Charlot123]

I’m just reading the blood analysis report again, it says there was a lot pooling of blood on the carpet which implies ana had been attacked there and bled here heavily for “some time” before being possibly dragged to the other end of the room where police eventually found her.
Ana wouldn’t have arrived at the house until around 5.25 and by 6pm both boys have left. Is that enough time for boy a to attack her and sexually abuse her, let her bleed out for “some time” and then move her body to the other end of the room. I’m really considering he’s went back in the days after the murder possibly and moved her then? I Still can’t work out why his semen was only found on her vest top too, and who’s is the 3rd male dna sample? Has he come back with another friend maybe in the days after?

Or another creep could have done it himself. People roam through abandoned houses. Or boy A told about the body to some other friend, who went there on his own.

If boy A said “I want to murder Ana” to boy B, he could have said it to boy C or D. Having seen him scratched and limping after Ana’s disappearance, they could have easily put two and two together.

Rotten as boy A is, he probably did not want to return back. In the days after Ana’s murder, he was visibly upset (scared, probably). For this reason, I am not sure he wanted to return to the house, but on the other hand, with these budding serial killers, everything is possible.

 

[Charlot123]

Personally, I wondered if the Lego comment amongst others was going to be an allusion to a diagnosis of ASD.

My son was big into Lego and the place he was diagnosed actually had a huge collection.

Sorry if anyone finds that stereotypical or anything- but it was my instant thought when in read it with the other comments.

I think his stilted speech is even more indicative than Legos. However, it might be an interesting situation, as he clearly flew under the radar, was able to acquire a group of friends and even a popular boy (A) as the best friend. In fact, by sucking up to boy A, boy B might have earned precisely what Ana was lacking - popularity. Surely he would have done everything for such a convenient friend, got the tape, lured the girl out...

 

[LaCEZ]

Where does it mention 'stilted speech' ?

If I understand it correctly, they just didnt have enough of a sample of the 3rd DNA to match it to anyone, its not that they couldn't find a match, it could have been anyone's DNA, even Boy B's I suppose.

 

[L White]

I think his stilted speech is even more indicative than Legos. However, it might be an interesting situation, as he clearly flew under the radar, was able to acquire a group of friends and even a popular boy (A) as the best friend. In fact, by sucking up to boy A, boy B might have earned precisely what Ana was lacking - popularity. Surely he would have done everything for such a convenient friend, got the tape, lured the girl out...

Autism is quite often masked by teens. My son is currently very popular because he knows a lot about football stats.

If he shared a possible interest in things similar to Boy A, it would be easy to become obsessive (as can be the case), there for 'normalising' Boy A''s thoughts in some way.

My words here are in no way reflective of those with ASD ONLY that certain behaviours Boy B has shown (not criminal behaviours, general actions) remind me very much of some I've met.

I wonder if the defence was setting up for "he has an ASD diagnosis so has no empathy" which as anyone who knows ASD will tell you- is mostly balls. .. but it's a common misconception .


Apologies for format. I an out walking.

 

[L White]

And "stilted speech" imo doesn't always mean lacking vocabulary, it can mean context of speech or enunciation as well as the mechanics.