Resolved Ireland - Blonde girl, 7, removed from Dublin Roma family, 22 Oct 2013

[outofthedark]

How did the parents not have properly filled out documentation for this girl?

 

[Ellmau]

Maybe the name was spelt wrongly in the records?

 

[pukasonqo2]

home birth maybe?
roma and irish travellers don't put much stock on documentation, many of the older ones are not 100% sure of their age. isabel fonseca who spent time living with roma families in eastern europe (her book is called "bury me standing") mentions it, from memory the roma don't like outsiders (gadjo) having too much knowledge or information about them

 

[fruity]

This article was linked in another thread.

In Ireland, too, there are concerns about the registration system, which have alarmed Siobhan Curran, Roma project co-ordinator at the Pavee Point travellers and Roma centre.

She has seen many in Ireland's 5,000 Roma population struggle to get hold of social benefits because of what she sees as "very harsh criteria" needed to meet what is known as the habitual residence condition. Poor literacy and language can also be a problem for Roma looking for a job when they try to register for the Personal Public Service number (PPS), required for tax purposes.

She describes a vicious cycle where families are unable to obtain a medical card because they are unable to prove they are entitled to one. When they fail to take a child to a local doctor for care, social services are then called in.

 

[bflocket]

What a nightmare for that child to have to go through.

What a nightmare for those parents to go through!

This case, along with any other "Roma kid doesn't look like they belong there" case, really is racism and/or flat out disrespect for anyone that doesn't totally blend in with the local majority.

It's ridiculous. If a kid doesn't look like it "meshes" with its parents' ethnicity, you need more proof than that to tear a family apart.

 

[Redgoblin]

What a nightmare for those parents to go through!

This case, along with any other "Roma kid doesn't look like they belong there" case, really is racism and/or flat out disrespect for anyone that doesn't totally blend in with the local majority.

It's ridiculous. If a kid doesn't look like it "meshes" with its parents' ethnicity, you need more proof than that to tear a family apart.

Yup... documentation and a DNA test would be a start.

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[greenpalm]

Yes these cases are alarming me. I'm concerned that it's beginning to look like a bit of a witch hunt. Any child in a Roma family who has a slight genetic variation is suddenly subject to close scrutiny based on any rumor from someone who reports it?!

It is giving me the creeps. My daughter is 7. I can only imagine the hysteria this child went through during the time she was separated from her parents. I hope they sue.

 

[greenpalm]

The report given to Gardai was motivated by the "wrong colouring" supposedly, but there's no difference to my eyes between her hair colour and any of her siblings, and I'm not colour blind. Whatever motivated the original complaint to them, the Gardai did not remove the child from the home because of wrong colouring. They removed her because they had a report from a member of the public about a Roma family from Eastern Europe who had a child that was possibly not theirs, this complaint was made against the backdrop of a case earlier in the week where an Eastern European girl was found wandering dazed and confused in O'Connell Street and is suspected of being a victim of a trafficking ring operating in Dublin, the family produced a birth cert that wasn't valid and a passport that only showed a baby, and the hospital had no record of her birth.

Yes, they should have left the child in the home while they did the DNA tests, and yes the rules should be tightened up so that that's the way such investigations are handled in future. But to over simplify the case as if the Irish police swooped in on this family with no cause for concern is nonsense.

Imagine if the child had been a victim of human trafficking, and the police had failed to act. There would have been all sorts of outrage and accusations of political correctness gone mad, etc. They have to check out every complaint they get, regardless of the race or background of the people involved.

Where did you see photographs of the girl? I thought none were published specifically because they weren't going to do so until she was determined to be unidentified.

 

[~n/t~]

The child wasn't removed because of "wrong colouring", and looking at the pictures I've seen of her, she wasn't even blonde. She was removed because they had no documentation to prove she was theirs and the hospital they said she was born in had no record of her.

The family may have grounds to sue somebody. I'm not sure its the Gardai though, who were acting within their legal powers. A libel suit against the people who sparked off the facebook rumours maybe, or possibly the hospital that doesn't seem to keep their records properly.

Is the picture you saw the one in the daily mail? It's a blurred photo but I agree she's not even blonde. She has dark hair. WTH?

 

[~n/t~]

This is the link to the daily mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Roma-family-DNA-tests-prove-IS-daughter.html

 

[modesty blaise]

http://Two blond children returned to their Roma parents in Ireland as police are accused of racism



i'm not sure how to post links but this is a snippet from the dailymail article.

Two blond children returned to their Roma parents in Ireland as police are accused of racism

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...land-police-accused-racism.html#ixzz2idwtECvO
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[wfgodot]

This is the Daily Mail headline:

Two blond children returned to their Roma parents in Ireland as police are accused of racism

• Irish police will have to produce a report into why two children were taken
• The Ombudsman for Children is also set to investigate the two cases
• Iancu Munteau from Athlone was taken from his family and kept overnight
• A seven-year-old girl from Dublin was also taken by police
• Officers received tip offs after media coverage of 'Maria's' abduction in Greece
• An Interpol DNA test has failed to find a match for Maria on its missing database

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ma-parents-Ireland-police-accused-racism.html

 

[time]

Is the picture you saw the one in the daily mail? It's a blurred photo but I agree she's not even blonde. She has dark hair. WTH?

I'm not getting this either